It's such a low-risk investment at this point that your worries are really baseless.
Sony is officially helping with funding and development with Shenmue 3
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It's such a low-risk investment at this point that your worries are really baseless.
Aenima
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Im using my phone so is hard for me to put the link here, but just google kickstart refunds. By law u can sue the company that pledged and failed to fulfil the promiss. In this case that company would be Ys Net.
This happened before and all backers got refunded.
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Yu suzuki doesn't have 15 million dollars.
If you put something on pre-order, that money is not going to publisher/developer. Your bank only receives note that if something is 'finished', and ready to be shipped the money will be withdrawn and publisher/developer gets the money.
So who is going to pay for 'creating' the game then? YOU? SONY? YU SUZUKI HIMSELF?
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Deleted member 125677
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I don't think anyone believed that. But a big part of Kickstarter as a concept has been transparency, you are supposed to know exactly what they're spending YOUR money on, what platforms they plan to release on, when the game is planned for release, the current state of development, who will be involved etc. And I think these things are needed, because this approach changes the relationship between you as a consumer and them as a seller. You basically become a miniature investor, and it's pretty dumb to invest in something that you don't know what is.
That's why you'll also get stretch goals for what will happen with the money if they get more money than they initially ask for etc.
In this case, they should have made it clear that this was a Kickstarter set up more or less to convince Sony to give them the money they really need, that the game will stay console-exclusive to Sony etc.
They crunched the numbers and couldn't figure a way to make money so they backed out. I think that a lot of people at Sony were in the same boat, but there are a number of Suzuki Yu backers who had enough leverage to give the Kickstarter a chance. The Kickstarter then is as much a way to convince the Sony doubters as it was to help fund the game. This would certainly help explain why Boyes was so careful to avoid attaching Sony to the project.
orthodoxy1095
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And yet they're utterly different types of games.
How much do people realistically think this will make? I am hoping that we at least reach all strech goals and we get the full experience. So that is what 4 million?
For all the people complaining about Sony's involvement i just dont get it. Its a game which nobody would touch that the fans wanted. I neversaw anybody complaining at Harmonix, double fine or anybody else. And we get Shenmue 3! Why complain!?! Shenmue 3. I never thought i would say that ever!!!!
For all the people complaining about Sony's involvement i just dont get it. Its a game which nobody would touch that the fans wanted. I neversaw anybody complaining at Harmonix, double fine or anybody else. And we get Shenmue 3! Why complain!?! Shenmue 3. I never thought i would say that ever!!!!
Littlefang
Member
Honestly, I'm not worried about Shenmue I'm worried about the games after Shenmue. Because there will be a lot more at this rate.
Elvin Atombender
Member
Some gamers look really hard for things to get upset about.
Nobody has wanted to touch this franchise for 14 years. Of course they will need to see if there is enough interest.
Some posts here make it sound like people that back this are getting scammed somehow. Are they not getting the game when it's finished?
Nobody has wanted to touch this franchise for 14 years. Of course they will need to see if there is enough interest.
Some posts here make it sound like people that back this are getting scammed somehow. Are they not getting the game when it's finished?
dark_inferno
Member
And we still have people that claim they dont want Shenmue 3 because they have Yakuza now.
Says who? Kickstarter has been a thing for a while now. It's not like some kind of new thing that magically appeared. If companies were going to game the system, they would had done it a long time ago.
Oh really?
and why is that a bad thing?
Who asked you to fight the battle for us fans?
ISee
Member
Yeah I do not get it either...
Littlefang
Member
Well in this case it would be Sony which is what they are essentially doing because they aren't seeing that kickstarter money either.
Bloodstained made as much in its second half as it did in its first. But, they apparently ran a really tight Kickstarter campaign.
I can see this hitting 6 million.
and sony doesn't own the fucking IP. Without kickstarter there is NO GAME.
how many times I have to repeat this shit to you.
staticneuron
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But Like I mentioned before this has been happening for a few years already. Iirc alot of successful projects hit in 2012, and since then any indie or risky endeavor that wants support from a bigger pub uses crowdfunding to show interest.
Now before you used an analogy of COD. That won't happen, and not because it isn't successful but because that IP is owned by publisher. For IP's owned by publishers they are either going to take a risk, or they are not. I don't think we will see a crowdfunding effort like that for IP owned by a publisher ever, unless the pub licenses out or completely sells the IP.
RichiRamjag
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If people want to fund a slightly risky game, then who cares? If shenmue failed in a year I'd be more pissed that I wasn't going to get to play it rather than about the money. Your statements are all based off of the assumption that people are going to back every game that comes out. Shenmue has a very diehard fan base who have wanted to see this game come out for years. With the announcement on the Sony stage along with Yu Suzuki of all people, it's not that risky a bet.
Had sega or someone else made a kickstarter asking for cash without Yu Suzuki, then I doubt you would of seen anything near this.
, with outside funding the project should be that much safer.Littlefang
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But isn't that what's starting to happen now if this trend continues? Large publishers gaming the system. Because besides Amplitude this is basically (to my knowledge) the only kickstarter that Sony has a real vested interest in.
flipswitch
Member
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Reminds me when they announced localisation of Yakuza 5 and some people still weren't satisfied because it was only digital.
I just think Sony should have been more upfront about their relationship with the game from the go. They said "we just wanted to let them have the stage because it's been so requested this game" or something to that effect when they were showing it, as if it was just a courtesy to answering fans dreams that they gave Yu the stage. Obviously I thought there was maybe some console exclusivity window or something, but Sony should have acknowledged out front this whole thing.
I have no problem with opening a Kickstarter on stage, I just hope next time there's a lot more transparency involved.
I have no problem with opening a Kickstarter on stage, I just hope next time there's a lot more transparency involved.
Napoleonthechimp
Member
Me too.
Refund the kickstarter (not the paltry amount they'll raise on there would've funded the actual game) if Sony are going to profit off this.
Then again if you spend $29 on that campaign you'll get a digital copy, which is a pretty good deal for a full game.
You're throwing a lot of hypotheticals in this thread based on your dislike of how a game was funded.
Littlefang
Member
But the kickstarter wasn't really necessary. If this was one of the most requested games on the PS4 then clearly the interest was there so Sony should have just funded it without the kickstarter.
Heh people act like they waited like a week or until the kickstarter ended is was the very next day.
Littlefang
Member
Then I'll be more transparent with my thinking. Even in this isolated case, what Sony did was a pretty shitty thing to do. And if developers continue to do this in the future, I will still think they are being scummy.
Without kickstarter, sony doesn't have any way of gauging there is market for it.
Past 14 years. No one picked it up.
and sony is not publishing this either, they are putting up the bill and they are securing the console exclusivity, but at the same time PC users can play this too.
Seriously are you just fucking with me now?
staticneuron
Member
1. The kickstarter goals mentioned the platforms you were pledging for. There was no surprise there or hidden agenda.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3
2. I wouldn't be in a rush to assume this is a Sony exclusive. For all we know it may simply be timed. Sony is more aggressive when they actually own an IP. But for it to release on PC as well shows that there is flexibility there. Just take a look to the past to see other examples of titles that were partially funded by MS that eventually made their way over to competing console such as Mass Effect. Since we don't know the details involved there may not be such cause for concern like that.
Bloodstained made as much in its second half as it did in its first. But, they apparently ran a really tight Kickstarter campaign.
I can see this hitting 6 million.
Oh wow. Would love this. I just want all the strech goals made. Fibgers crossed!!!
ZettaiSeigi
Member
Because everybody saying that they're going to buy something is guaranteed to actually purchase it when it actually gets made... Yeah, sure.
RichiRamjag
Member
Refund? The pledges can still be reversed. No one is being forced into pledging. If people dislike it, then they can cancel their pledge.
Littlefang
Member
But clearly there was a market for it if they had the ability to gain the info that it was one of the most requested games on ps4. The kickstarter is not going to guarantee that this game will sell at all. The info that they gained was the same.
To be fair, the relationship still isn't mentioned on the Kickstarter.
Diseased Yak
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Welcome to GAF, where the lumpen opinion is nothing worthy. Tons of teenagers, begging for recognition, feel they need to expound upon subjects that they know nothing about in some vain attempt to feel important.
Market for it my fucking ass.
No one picked up this game for 14 years. Answer me why.
It was kind of obvious they were involved tho.
RichiRamjag
Member
Clearly? Obviously it wasn't clearly enough as no publisher wanted to do anything with this for a decade and a half. Talk from fans doesn't equate to a market for a game. Money speaks volumes though.
Mendax
Member
depression combined with jealousy I guess
why should it be. They arent gonna profit from this, and are not claiming credit for it.
Sparkedglory
Member
A lot of you guys are killing my brain cells. :| can't be happy for a revived franchise.
Total transparency is impossible. I would love to know what Sega's role in this is. How much Sony is paying and if it's a fixed amount or tiered accordingly to the Kickstarter campaign final number. At the end of the day though that's incidental to me. I am a customer not an investor so I don't need to know these details, it's just that I love inside baseball side of these things, but ultimately the only thing critical for a customer to know is what is the final product going to be, when it is released and who is making it. In this kind of deal where the seller is asking for money upfront to fund the execution of the product/service there is of course some portion of wishful thinking and the "who is making it" is critical to make a decision. In the case of Shenmue that's covered, we got Yu Suzuki.
It's the lesser of two evils for me.
It's either, these games don't exist at all since many publishers only seem to care about mobile or they use this method.
I'm not sure why you seem to care - you don't have to put any money up front. If it works out then you get the game without investment - if not, no loss to you. What's the problem?
But the conference was the most high profile place to do it, and they gave a very different impression on stage. I just think they should have said so before things got underway.
Again I have no problem with this otherwise, just think it's a learning lesson for Sony and future companies that want to launch kickstarters on stage.
"Obvious" is not the same as transparent. I try not to make assumptions because there's all sorts of times that's proven false. I figured they had their hand in it, at least some part time exclusivity, but they are significantly more involved in that I think people should know that before they go to donate to a Kickstarter. I don't think it's wrong at all, but I think they should let people know BEFORE the Kickstarter starts.
Aenima
Member
They take baths in the ocean, then come here all salty.
The only way to gauge it was to spend money on market research. Not many pubs are going to do that with an ip they don't own and with said ip's financial history. Also it's been 14 years. It's so easy to say, just fund it.
Makes me wonder if people think other financial bombs should be green lighted because they say so.
I didn't disagree with you about being transparent. I just said it was pretty obvious.
Littlefang
Member
If there wasn't a market then, why would there be a market now?
The average backing rate on the kickstarter also indicates that there are a few dedicated fans that will pay a high price rather than that many people are interested in buying the game. So I don't see how that data is any more reliable.
Again I would have less issue about the kickstarter if everyone involved with the development of the game would stop being so obtuse about what is actually going on here. But it stands that a large publisher doing this is a pretty shitty thing to do.