Interesting, I wonder why the news articles I read failed to capitalize on this. That's huge.
Final Fantasy 7 Remake Announced (First on PS4)
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Interesting, I wonder why the news articles I read failed to capitalize on this. That's huge.
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Deleted member 20920
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Probably a giant materia that just lets people float around on.
And Cloud's dress was probably cubed nanomachines. How else would you explain him getting out of it just by twirling one round?
lol
I'm choking hahahahahaaaaaa
Dark_castle
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1) lacks direct full party control, with no options to program party AI unlike XII
2) auto-battle takes care of everything most of the time
3) leader die = game over
Makoto Yuki
Banned
I'll join you in your crusade against journalist's inability to appreciate the goofiness of Final Fantasy VII. It will only be better with the more realistic artstyle.
If not, I will write angry letters to Square Enix if they take out too much of those charmingly ridiculous moments.
GreenMakoEyes
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could I sign on this letter as well?
Lifejumper
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Since nomura is director, we are going to get some epic trailers ala ff versus. Cant wait.
Stone Ocean
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Fake, Sephirot doesn't have his mouth open for no reasonLeaked player models? S..so lifelike.
Android18a
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You mean he wasn't legless? I'd always assumed he had no legs and he'd engineered some kind of floating ball of materia to keep him aloft so he didn't need a wheelchair.
Sorry to bring this up again, but I just watched the part of ATR 6.0 where they talk about Gamescom and there was no mention of this. Was it stated elsewhere in the video? I watched considerable chunks of the whole thing, but I'm doubtful it would have been said anywhere else.
Eudaemonium
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I seem to remember that they fixed a couple of these in XIII-2, though (in that you could freely switch between the party member controlled in combat, and the death of one made you auto-switch to the other). The auto-battle is a bigger issue. I felt the XIII combat system was really good for the very end-game stuff (albeit very different from other FF titles, since it relied more on tactical timing for paradigm shifts and the like), but for the majority of the game it was just boring. XIII-2 was even more boring in many ways, because the lack of plot-specific level caps and ability to shift characters on the fly destroyed any semblance of balance that existed.
I'm not convinced that they'll actually do a system like FFXIII, though. I mean, without paradigm shifting it'd actually make no sense since 13 almost plays more like a strategy game at top levels than a traditional JRPG. At most they'd need some kind of gambit-like system akin to 12. Also not sure how an FFXIII system would work with the Materia system, which is one of my favourite aspects of 7 due to its customisability.
GreenMakoEyes
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skip to 17:36m..
"We announced this last time, too, about Gamescom in August. We will be officially kicking off our promotional campaign for the release of the full game."
Bless you for your assistance. This is just a really, really big thing to me so I really wanted confirmation.
stargateheaven
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but i like random encounters and lining up in a row 
GreenMakoEyes
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I guess thats a big thing for every FF fan. Really looking forward to Gamescom.
Vincent Grayson
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but i like random encounters and lining up in a row
Good thing there's numerous FF games available where you can do just that!
Equally, there are numerous action games where you can get your action fix.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
2017 - FFVII Episode 1
2018 - FFVII Anthologies: Sephiroth
2019 - FFVII Episode 2
2020 - FFVII Anthologies: The Turks
2021 - FFVII Episode 3
2022 - FFVII-2
stargateheaven
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Good thing there are alot of action RPGs for you to get your fix so this can stay ATB and random encounters
Vincent Grayson
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The number of pure action-based JRPGs is much, much lower.
And really these arguments are utterly pointless. No one discussing this has *any* role in designing FF7R. It will be what it will be (and I'm betting it'll be much more action-based, if not entirely), and the people who don't like that will just have to live with it.
Personally, I'm comfortable with whatever they do. I have a preference, sure, but I also know damn well that I'll enjoy it regardless. Limiting yourself to only enjoying your ideal setup makes no sense to me, yet it seems to be the standard MO when these kinds of discussions happen.
edit: Again, the issue is not what you, or I, or anyone else "wants". We're not in charge, and our opinions are unlikely to play any role. I've done my best to couch these arguments from that perspective, which is to say I'm less saying "here's what it should be" and more saying "here is what I'm pretty sure it's going to be, regardless of how anyone here feels". You can either get on board and enjoy it, or bitch about it online for a few years and then skip an awesome game. It's your choice.
Spehornoob
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I'm not sure that's the case anymore, unless we're looking at past generations as well.
On PS4, we've got now or in the future (feel free to correct or add to this list):
FFVII (We don't know)
FFXIV (Hotbar)
Type-0 (Action)
FFXV (Action)
Tales of Zestiria (Action)
Tales of Berseria (Action)
Nier 2 (Action)
Star Ocean 5 (Action)
Persona 5 (Turn-Based)
Almost all of those are action based. Not to mention the majority of WRPGs nowadays are action oriented in regards to combat.
Vincent Grayson
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Yeah, I was talking about past generations. The shift to more action-heavy is exactly why I continue to say there's little chance that FFVIIR will remain turn-based, and that there has, especially among bigger JRPGs, been a shift away from turn-based and towards action-heavy combat, even if it's not pure action (like the Tales/SO games versus FFXV or KH).
I agree, my reply was to point that out.
Time will tell.
Nothing wrong with wanting the game to remain as true to the spirit and feel as the original as possible with refinements and additions.
Who says anything about skipping? We're debating our preferences and our wants.
Nothing wrong with that, either.
Stone Ocean
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FFXIV is kinda turn based thanks to how global cooldowns work.
You're also forgetting World of FF which looks turn based.
Bitch Pudding
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enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
I mean, I still can't believe this remake is happening. It's up there with getting a third Chrono game of "top gaming wishes" I could ask for. This gives me a sliver of hope that FFVIII might get one too, as 8 is an underrated masterpiece :*)
All this talk of action based battles... I'm being realistic and bracing myself for it, but if they do go the action route, they NEED to keep Materia in. I loved mixing and matching Materia in the menu in the original FFVII.
All this talk of action based battles... I'm being realistic and bracing myself for it, but if they do go the action route, they NEED to keep Materia in. I loved mixing and matching Materia in the menu in the original FFVII.
Dark_castle
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Materia is definitely in, since it's massively tied to the story.
YankeeDonB
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Regarding the battle system, if there's one thing SE seems to like more than updating character models, it's designing new battle systems. That, coupled with the recent Nomura interviews where he makes it sound like he, Kitase, and Nojima are approaching this as a new creative project instead of just archival restoration, strongly suggests the battle system will be totally redone. That doesn't mean it I'll be action, but it's not going to be a slow paced stand in a line affair. I get that some people still like that approach (and I don't mind it), but I also like trying new things. I enjoy some SE battle systems more than others, but they're always interesting to explore.
Frankly, I think a good reboot/remake requires holding true to the spirit, but not the letter, of the original, and I'm glad that's the way they're talking about it as of now. Sure, it opens the possibility of failure, bit it also opens the possibility of a NEW experience that might rival the original, beloved encounter with FF7. A pure polish to the letter upgrade would be fine, but it would never do more than reaffirm old nostalgia.
Nomura, Kitase, and Nojima were three of the four creative minds most responsible for 7. I say give them full reign, and see if they can wow us anew!
Frankly, I think a good reboot/remake requires holding true to the spirit, but not the letter, of the original, and I'm glad that's the way they're talking about it as of now. Sure, it opens the possibility of failure, bit it also opens the possibility of a NEW experience that might rival the original, beloved encounter with FF7. A pure polish to the letter upgrade would be fine, but it would never do more than reaffirm old nostalgia.
Nomura, Kitase, and Nojima were three of the four creative minds most responsible for 7. I say give them full reign, and see if they can wow us anew!
Teletraan1
Banned
A remake is not about trying new things. It is giving fans of the game an updated spin on a game. Small tweaks to the gameplay are welcome. Drastically altering the game to be nothing like the original is not a good move. If they were going to do that just make FFVII-2 or something.
I dont think I will even buy this if it is now an ARPG. No chance in hell. I already played the ARPG version of this universe. It was called Crisis Core and the combat fucking stunk.
I dont think I will even buy this if it is now an ARPG. No chance in hell. I already played the ARPG version of this universe. It was called Crisis Core and the combat fucking stunk.
YankeeDonB
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This is largely semantics, but I'd argue that what you're describing is a reMASTER, not a remake. ReMAKE suggests something creative as opposed to just polishing up. Of course how much leeway in the remaking is reasonable is a fair point for discussion.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
The combat was not great but I liked the rest of Crisis Core honestly.
Dirge of Cerberus though? That was absolute TRASH
manipulate
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Yikes, I can't believe how hype I am for this
I don't even get it; when the rumours were floating around prior to E3 I wasn't even that shook; I just figured it'd be boring AC-style stuff anyway and I wouldn't care
But now that it's a reality and not some abstract thing, I'm super pumped
I don't even get it; when the rumours were floating around prior to E3 I wasn't even that shook; I just figured it'd be boring AC-style stuff anyway and I wouldn't care
But now that it's a reality and not some abstract thing, I'm super pumped
DiipuSurotu
Banned
SE should do an enhanced port of Before Crisis to get up pumped. It was never released in the US although the translation was reportedly finished.
TalentBurke
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I had the same issues with the game. Those were all terrible ideas.
Wtf, I always thought that was part of his body.
Teletraan1
Banned
No, I am describing a remake or ReMAKE or a REmake. Not a REmASTeR. I have full control of the english language and full control of my shift key. Radically changing the game is only going to anger the purists. It is like some people in this thread are asking for Star Wars Special Editions.
A remaster just improves the graphics/effects/IQ. I dont mind some tweaking of the gameplay. Just not a complete overhaul. I would have actually prefered a remaster. I dont think the game needed to be changed outside of graphics. PS1 games are notoriously ugly. But I would welcome some tweaks to the existing gameplay.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
Isn't it? He doesn't have legs, just a round lower half and floats for some reason...
I figured it was a futuristic version of a wheelchair
DoktorEvil
Banned
Agreed.
People talking about retconning certain elements of the core story need to go away.
It's no longer FF7 if plot elements and pacing is fundamentally changed.
http://www.engadget.com/2015/06/17/final-fantasy-vii-remake-interview-e3-2015/
Has this interview been posted yet? Sorry I can't keep up!
Sounds good to me
Has this interview been posted yet? Sorry I can't keep up!
Sounds good to me
Vincent Grayson
Member
I agree, my reply was to point that out.
Time will tell.
Nothing wrong with wanting the game to remain as true to the spirit and feel as the original as possible with refinements and additions.
Who says anything about skipping? We're debating our preferences and our wants.
Nothing wrong with that, either.
Maybe not you, but I've seen a lot of "If they change it, I won't buy it" posts.
I get wanting it to stay as close to the original as possible, I really do. But the more they talk about the remake, the more it is clear to me that it's not going to adhere to the original game in a few big ways (changes to story, and changes to combat at the very least), and it seems like a lot of people are still arguing over what the want while ignoring what the developers have already come out and said (and hell, they wrote it into the trailer itself).
artsi
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http://www.engadget.com/2015/06/17/final-fantasy-vii-remake-interview-e3-2015/
Has this interview been posted yet? Sorry I can't keep up!
Sounds good to me
Yeah it sounds good. And he's right, they should present the battles more realistically, but it doesn't mean the actual system has to change in a radical way.
Even if they did change it I don't mind that much, I'm just excited to see the result whatever it is. There's time to complain IF it turns to be bad.
I guess I'm just a "glass half full" type of a guy, lol.
meanspartan
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It's gonna be hard for them to make it without updating it a bit though. Some of the stuff from 1997 simply doesn't fly in 2015 (and later). That said, I want at least the core of the turn-based system to stay. I don't just want this to be Final Fantasy 7 story but all the gameplay is just a Final Fantasy 15 mod.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
I'm actually wondering this too now.
artsi
Member
That's something I'm really thinking about, I'm sure it's one of the greatest challenges for the team to overcome in this production.
I'm thinking it's one of the two:
1) A traditional system like the original and Type-0, in much higher detail of course
2) Something like FFXV, recreating the huge world map in 1:1 scale, but when you approach a city like Midgar you transfer to another zone (that's a no-fly zone for airships)
The later should be feasible with SE's resources when smaller companies like Bohemia (Arma 3) and CDPR can do it, it's just lots of manual work after all.
My thoughts exactly
I'm excited to see what happens regardless. I'm also pleased he reiterated that they're aware how loved the more silly parts are, and that they'll keep that stuff.- Status