The indies are really gaining momentum from the frustration of the past 2 years worth of broken AAA launches and overpriced DLC.
Bungie apologizes for Taken King controversy, CE items to be sold separate
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The indies are really gaining momentum from the frustration of the past 2 years worth of broken AAA launches and overpriced DLC.
I think I've got it.
How about Year One Players get a Legendary Rocket Launcher with Wolf Pack rounds (but no tracking, no Grenades and Horseshoes)? Gjallarhorn users get a newly freed exotic slot, and everyone that doesn't have Gjallarhorn gets all the benefits of owning one with the caveat that they need to carefully aim their shots. I guess you still run into the "They're locking content behind a paywall" issue, or people claiming that it is Pay2Win.
Which hits to the heart of this issue -- none of this Collector's Edition junk can actually be any good or else people will cry foul. So if these items have to be inherently designed to be mediocre, why do you want them so bad?
How about Year One Players get a Legendary Rocket Launcher with Wolf Pack rounds (but no tracking, no Grenades and Horseshoes)? Gjallarhorn users get a newly freed exotic slot, and everyone that doesn't have Gjallarhorn gets all the benefits of owning one with the caveat that they need to carefully aim their shots. I guess you still run into the "They're locking content behind a paywall" issue, or people claiming that it is Pay2Win.
Which hits to the heart of this issue -- none of this Collector's Edition junk can actually be any good or else people will cry foul. So if these items have to be inherently designed to be mediocre, why do you want them so bad?
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Considering that Destiny was planned to have a release every other year as of the original leak, yeah, the majority of the studio is knee deep in Destiny 2.
Ninja Scooter
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Sorry I didn't know 343 and Microsoft accidentally released Halo MCC for sale even though they didn't mean to.
Iced_Eagle
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Man, $20 is just ridiculous for what they're asking for. That was the price of House of Wolves!
Can we look at the credits? I try to avoid starting up Destiny. Only when Xur shows up with a unique item from HoW dlc do I log on to purchase, maybe replenish my strange coins I spent, and hastily log off.
It's not a bad game but it just got old for me. They finally claim they adding new pvp modes in the next dlc but it's just too late
ArkkAngel007
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Why do they need to sweeten the deal to reach $20 instead of putting it at a more acceptable level?
As I said before, I wouldn't mind paying the $80 for TTK physical CE sans Year 1 releases.
But I find it hard to see what can be worth $20 in digital fun things after that being what they sold their "expansions" at. Even a guaranteed Hawkmoon, finally fixing that Lunar Complex ghost shell, and Level 34 for all three of my characters wouldn't do it. The value is just not there. It would honestly take content approaching that in order to get me to consider it. I think I agreed with DocSeuss on a $10 ceiling, even though that paltry amount that would likely be preorder bonus tier for most other games is IMO still not quite worth that.
There won't be a way to satisfy anyone. But this is barely a half-measure IMO, and I find it out that nearly all the fault seems to being placed on the consumer here. I recall you saying something of people moving goal posts. I disagree, as it's a separate issue. Like with the past 'upgrade' and vendor solutions, a new issue was introduced, and people are and should be targeting it instead of just being thankful to the
Night Angel
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What is this bullshit you're pulling here? The fact that you're saying these obscure shenanigans to defend this makes it pretty obvious that there really is no good argument.
...really?
REALLY?
That's the best you got?
We're entitled because we think $20 is outrageous for skins in a game where $20 has previously given a full expansion with strikes, MP maps, missions, and a raid? For $20 in a world where $10 expansions like General Knoxx and Dragon Keep exist?
Oh, yes, we should accept it because you can get XP while wearing capes now, guys, even though all taken king class items have effects?
I mean Activision/Bungie pay his bills, but as someone who remembers when Luke went off on the horse armor DLC way back when Oblivion was pioneering this kind of cash grab....
Makes me laugh at how quickly some people can switch sides when they get ahold of that almighty dollar. Which isn't to say that it's all Luke trying to sell this stuff (which fact doesn't seem abhorrent in and of itself if it wasn't so damn expensive) to gamers, but still. If I ever watch my buddy play and see someone with that certain...color on their Bungie-chosen patches of armor, I'll laugh a bit.
Makes me laugh at how quickly some people can switch sides when they get ahold of that almighty dollar. Which isn't to say that it's all Luke trying to sell this stuff (which fact doesn't seem abhorrent in and of itself if it wasn't so damn expensive) to gamers, but still. If I ever watch my buddy play and see someone with that certain...color on their Bungie-chosen patches of armor, I'll laugh a bit.
It's great seeing people line up for this shit.
Remember, doomed if you Dew. Doomed if you don't.
ArkkAngel007
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It's not about the quality of those items or about them behind a pay wall or whatever else you've convinced yourself of. It's about a tiny amount of mostly cosmetic items (class items have likely negligible boosts iirc) being offered to us at the same price at what they called Expansions. With the additional burden of these items being an apology offering.
While there will always be the 'No DLC' crowd, most here have accepted that DLC is the motor oil of the AAA industry. It's the size of the paywall within the context of past releases and the current situation.
ThatsMytrunks
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Christ, some of you will never be happy.
"I'M NOT GONNA PAY AN EXTRA $40 FOR THAT CONTENT"
"Okay fine, we'll sell it separately."
"I'M NOT GONNA PAY AN EXTRA $20 FOR THAT CONTENT"
I'm happy I picked up the $80 CE. Makes it seem even more worthwhile now.
"I'M NOT GONNA PAY AN EXTRA $40 FOR THAT CONTENT"
"Okay fine, we'll sell it separately."
"I'M NOT GONNA PAY AN EXTRA $20 FOR THAT CONTENT"
I'm happy I picked up the $80 CE. Makes it seem even more worthwhile now.
Futurematic
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This is amazing. Luke Smith is actually putting his plan into action, and tons of people are on board (less so on Gaf, but elsewhere).
Virtually everything right and wrong about Destiny can be understood by
I would kill for a book or story or leaks or whatever of what happened behind the scenes, but I think we all know the basic outline regardless.
Virtually everything right and wrong about Destiny can be understood by
a) Bungie has been great at mechanics for decades, but.
b) The old school staff are mostly gone so the institutional knowledge of level/enemy/encounter/AI design has been lost,
c) Bungie tripled the development team's size from Reach to Destiny which is too fast and too much to integrate it seems
d) knowing Luke Smith was a super-huge old school WoW player (the toughness through obscurity but still good raids, the terrible design of key non-mechanical game elements, his attitude on pricing in the interview because he bought all those WoW CE edition expansions) and seemingly doesn't understand what made WoW good--only the addictive part--and
e) Destiny was gutted because it went terribly wrong at some point.
(Point a) is why the game is so damn good moment-to-moment, god I wish this game had come off right.)b) The old school staff are mostly gone so the institutional knowledge of level/enemy/encounter/AI design has been lost,
c) Bungie tripled the development team's size from Reach to Destiny which is too fast and too much to integrate it seems
d) knowing Luke Smith was a super-huge old school WoW player (the toughness through obscurity but still good raids, the terrible design of key non-mechanical game elements, his attitude on pricing in the interview because he bought all those WoW CE edition expansions) and seemingly doesn't understand what made WoW good--only the addictive part--and
e) Destiny was gutted because it went terribly wrong at some point.
I would kill for a book or story or leaks or whatever of what happened behind the scenes, but I think we all know the basic outline regardless.
joecanada
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Ya except you can guarantee at least one of those weapons will be op as fuck so everyone will buy it. Then they will Nerf the shit making it eventually useless as a Monte Carlo...
So yeah it's worth about 1.99
GuitarAtomik
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You can't be serious dude. There's no way you're not seeing people's issue is the price their asking.
down 2 orth
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If it's not a part of the CE enema package, then it's not really a bad idea.
Do you agree that these 9 items are worth $20?
You do realize that people were willing to pay, but not at that price point, right? Like, if they'd said $5, everyone would have gone "yeah okay cool, that's a good deal, Bungie, glad you're not as greedy as you seemed."
The amount of people who seem to think "you're never happy" because Bungie keeps offering ridiculous ideas is just... wtf is wrong with you, seriously.
Why in the hell would anyone be happy with paying 20 dollars for this? You paid 80 dollars for something that should have cost you less than 40 dollars and you're somehow fine with that. Not everyone likes wasting their money like you.
MrGreencastle
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Yes.
ArkkAngel007
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Are you purposely being ignorant? There's been multiple posts showing how this is nowhere near indicative of the arguments being made.
So much disgusting, reductionist bullshit going on. I've never felt this ashamed about fellow DestinyGAF players since the infamous "Anyone who doesn't have enough real life friends to play Destiny with has clinical social problems" and all the other zealotry back in the first week over any criticism of their new toy.
thoseAREmySHOES
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What the hell? This is the same shader that was available with that CoD AW pre-order deal last fall. I didn't even know this was sought after in the slightest.
Well if that's your opinion then the first two expansions were a straight bargin.
Night Angel
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Someone just valued the bread of this $10 shit sandwich I was eating at $5, now it tastes better.
Well the Digital CE was $80 and it included the legendary edition (which is sold for $60 plus the digital extras). So while it seems like a lot, and it is a lot, $20 was the price that they were selling these in game cosmetics for to the Digital CE buyers.
So it makes sense that they would sell the extra shaders, emblems, and emotes for $20. It's impossible for them to sell it for less given the price of the digital CE.
The physical CE is a better deal, but probably retailers like Gamestop requires them to have price parity between the physical CE and the digital CE.
So it makes sense that they would sell the extra shaders, emblems, and emotes for $20. It's impossible for them to sell it for less given the price of the digital CE.
The physical CE is a better deal, but probably retailers like Gamestop requires them to have price parity between the physical CE and the digital CE.
It has to do with the way Bungie's handled themselves throughout this entire experience. They went from a company who seemed to value the people who bought their games and spent time playing them and hyping up their next games and such to... well... going "whatever, we'll overprice stuff and you'll eat it up anyways."
So, like, a dude gives an awful interview, the internet explodes, he apologizes, and in the apology we get an announcement that they've learned literally nothing and still think we'll eat up garbage.
That's the problem. It's Bungie acting like asshats, apologizing for being asshats, and simultaneously continuing to act like asshats.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And sometimes manslaughter can be worse than murder.
ArkkAngel007
Member
At $20. As a 'solution'. People were allowed to be pissed at what 2K did with Evolve with overpriced DLC practices. Why is it different with Bungie?
It's not the content. It's the practice. Of all the things they and Activision could negotiate, this was the best they could do? Remove one problem and create another that mind you has been a major point of criticism this year in the AAA environment?
And honestly, people would probably be 'calmer' if we didn't have certain characters in here saying we're not allowed to speak against it, should be grateful about it, or that it's about things that every page and multiple times it is said that those aren't the issues.
matrixman92
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is that the same one for sure?
I..think I have one still unused for ps4...
Anyone know if you can enter a code on playstations online store to see if something is still valid, but not redeem it?
Blacksmith, yes. One of my favorite shaders that isn't Revenant.
No, no way to check.
DeepEnigma
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On the fine print it should say and expiration date. Most of that stuff is usually a year.
Agreed.
If Bungie were selling a new subclass, or a full blown class, then that comparison would be more apt. These are basically cosmetic nothings. Still over priced, but it's an enormous difference.
I'd give my left nut for an in depth post-mortem on the development of Halo 2 and Destiny.
Dude, how many more times must we endure your condescending COD and Madden references?
ArkkAngel007
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Aren't Evolve's cosmetics overpriced too, or did they alter it, Ghaleon? But it was just an example. I mean, it's rather normal for prices to seem high on the consumer end. And I think Bungie has done fairly well. But this just...Idk, hit in an uncharacteristic way from what I would have expected if I predicted they would go this exact route.
matrixman92
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thats why I was checking... was going to sell it in a heartbeat.
Seems my ps4 code is already used or no longer valid. Strange, dont remember using it. Got the game on 360
To me, it's that they thought this was a solution. I'm not really upset as if I'm missing out on something I really want. It's more that I'm upset that they thought this would seem like a good thing to me or like an apology at all. Have you ever had somebody tell you such a stupid lie that they truly expected or hoped you'd believe. Regardless of how much that lie effects your life, don't you have a twinging thought in the back of your head saying "Did you really think I'm some idiot that would be happy with this???" It's the same feeling I get from this whole thing.
I think that ultimately the issue is that there will always be a moving target, and there will always be people willing to break down the price as a fraction of some previous content. If Bungie changes the price of the TTK Digital Collector's Edition to $50 instead of $60, you'll still have some contingent of complainers saying that cosmetic items aren't worth 1/6 the price of the original game. But at the same time the whole point of this business model is to sell additional content to people who massively overvalue it at whatever price they choose.
I don't think shaders and emblems are worth all that much, but a Shader/Ship/Class Item store that sells everything for $1-2 a pop isn't preferable to me.
Basileus777
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The lengths people on GAF will go to defend the right of corporations to exploit consumers never ceases to amaze me.
DeepEnigma
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KingJ2002
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Splitting out that content was the right thing to do... but that price though for a couple of shaders and emblems???
House of Wolves for Destiny is 20 dollars... are they telling me that these shaders / emblems are so nice that they must be equal value to an entire expansion pack?
I was set on getting this joint... now... i dunno. Im starting to think i might just be pre-occupied enough with MGS V to pass on this.
House of Wolves for Destiny is 20 dollars... are they telling me that these shaders / emblems are so nice that they must be equal value to an entire expansion pack?
I was set on getting this joint... now... i dunno. Im starting to think i might just be pre-occupied enough with MGS V to pass on this.
Splitting out that content was the right thing to do... but that price though for a couple of shaders and emblems???
House of Wolves for Destiny is 20 dollars... are they telling me that these shaders / emblems are so nice that they must be equal value to an entire expansion pack?
I was set on getting this joint... now... i dunno. Im starting to think i might just be pre-occupied enough with MGS V to pass on this.
MGS V sounds like it is moving in the gameplay microtransactions direction though.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1068127
LifEndz
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The solution was a 20 dollar price tag? Holy shit. It's like they're saying "cmon, day one guardians, we gotta fuck you a little." So for the bargain price of 60 bucks I can get the TTK and the shaders. Lmao. Oh bungie, there are at least seven 59.99 games coming this year that I want. I think I'll wait for the TTK and the shaders and emotes to drop to something reasonable, like 20 dollars, before I buy it.....that's assuming I even bother coming back to destiny.
Saucycarpdog
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They're doing the same thing with TTK that they did with HoW. Announce bits and pieces with each weekly update to build up hype. The side effect is that you only get to see the full package 2 weeks before it comes out.
Guess we got to wait till September till we see what $40 gets you.