SCOTUS strikes down gay marriage bans, legalizing marriage equality nationwide

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We can talk about the Obama administration being cowards but they have always been behind gay rights. Had he not been elected this likely would not be happening anytime soon. The Supreme Court would have been stacked for decades against the lgbt community. And let's not forget that prop 8 passed in California in 2008. This is not to say he deserves most of the credit for all the decades of work that has gone into this.
 
CrimzonSamurai said:
If he was John Doe street man, sure. As a politician that's simply what you have to do, as bad as that may be. You have to play the game.
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I guess I disagree. If everyone 'plays the game', we all get screwed.
Or perhaps I am just not cut to be a politician. I could not live with myself having to lie for a living.
 
hosannainexcelsis said:
Certainly hatred is reprehensible and there is no justification for people who condemn any cross-section of society in the name of God. I suppose I've just seen too many people, even in this thread, who don't seem to recognize the distinction I presented and believe that everyone who endorses the traditional view of marriage is some venom-spewing lunatic who wants to burn all gays at the stake. It's just not so.
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please define traditional marriage
 
metalslimer said:
We can talk about the Obama administration being cowards but they have always been behind gay rights. Had he not been elected this likely would not be happening anytime soon. The Supreme Court would have been stacked for decades against the lgbt community. And let's not forget that prop 8 passed in California in 2008
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I really think he did the most he could given the ecosystem he was elected into.
 
Pillville said:
I know it doesn't need rebutted, but
Nazi's actually killed Jews
Klan actually killed Blacks
Gays simply exist.

Just because Christians don't agree with their existence doesn't mean they can discriminate.
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On this cake business....

They can't force anyone to "make a gay cake" or a "nazi" or "kkk" cake.
What you CANT do is discriminate based on someone's sexual orientation, race, etc.
 
PSqueak said:
This is why i hate tumblr sometimes, you'd think this is something they'd be euphoric about, but even in this TITANIC VICTORY FOR EQUAL RIGHTS, they feel the need to play the oppression olympics.

And if you call them out, you're all sorts of "Phobic", except homophobic for this one time.
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Hey man, that's just one crazy person. Tumblr seems pretty happy about this. https://www.tumblr.com/search/#LoveWins

I think this is a day to stay positive and ignore those sorts of assholes.
 
boiled goose said:
I guess I disagree. If everyone 'plays the game', we all get screwed.
Or perhaps I am just not cut to be a politician. I could not live with myself having to lie for a living.
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Well you're definitely not cut out to be a politician then lol. Not that that's in any way a bad thing.

But this is how it always works, Lincoln's presidential platform wasn't in favor of universal emancipation, Kennedy's (and by virtue LBJ's) top policy priority wasn't civil rights, Obama's wasn't marriage equality.

But they were able to effect that change because they played the game until they held the cards. It's not efficient or optimal, but that's the way she goes.
 
Is it correct in assuming that the dissenting justices didn't hate the idea of gay marriage but were opposed to taking that decision away from the states?

Because the 5-4 split seems weird.
 
boiled goose said:
Omg such bullshit. You have to stand for what's right even when it's not politically expedient. Especially when you are the most powerful and influential person in the world. It is not just politics people's lives are at stake.
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Your idyllic pie in the sky demand for pure righteousness is unfortunately what's bull shit.

Democracy and government in general simply doesn't work like that.
 
Nastrodamous said:
People on my Facebook page who I know have cheated on their spouses are up in arms about destroying marriage. hilarious!
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my married uncle, who, just earlier today, was leaving fucking creepy comments on a photo of a girl thirty years his junior, said that the gays are all going to hell on one of my posts.

i screen capped the above comments and left them there for all to see. ahahahahaha
 
metalslimer said:
We can talk about the Obama administration being cowards but they have always been behind gay rights. Had he not been elected this likely would not be happening anytime soon. The Supreme Court would have been stacked for decades against the lgbt community. And let's not forget that prop 8 passed in California in 2008. This is not to say he deserves most of the credit for all the decades of work that has gone into this.
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Yeah, would have been 6-3 or 7-2 if we'd have had 8 years of a Republican president.

And let's all thank Reagan for Kennedy. If he had appointed another Scalia this would have been a 5-4 against gay marriage.
 
Otakumegane said:
Is it correct in assuming that the dissenting justices didn't hate the idea of gay marriage but were opposed to taking that decision away from the states?

Because the 5-4 split seems weird.
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You can mostly just assume Scalia's a homophobic asshole who definitely does hate the idea of gay marriage.
 
partyphone said:
please define traditional marriage
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selling your daughter off as property in exchange for land or a goat?

Oh... also forcing your daughter to marry her rapist!

Traditional Christian Marriage! In the bible.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29New International Version (NIV)

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
 
After reading this thread, I looked outside my window and it is raining cats and dogs, gay marriage is already destroying this country, Jesus helps us
 
hosannainexcelsis said:
Certainly hatred is reprehensible and there is no justification for people who condemn any cross-section of society in the name of God. I suppose I've just seen too many people, even in this thread, who don't seem to recognize the distinction I presented and believe that everyone who endorses the traditional view of marriage is some venom-spewing lunatic who wants to burn all gays at the stake. It's just not so.
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Not everyone is Christian.
 
Otakumegane said:
Is it correct in assuming that the dissenting justices didn't hate the idea of gay marriage but were opposed to taking that decision away from the states?

Because the 5-4 split seems weird.
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At least 2 of the justices are homophobic as shit. I'm still kind of surprised Roberts went against this since it seems like he knows this will remain a stain on his legacy
 
boiled goose said:
On this cake business....

They can't force anyone to "make a gay cake" or a "nazi" or "kkk" cake.
What you CANT do is discriminate based on someone's sexual orientation, race, etc.
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Yep. People seem to think that the issue was the cake. It wasn't.
They would've sold that same cake to anyone else, but refused to sell to gay couple.

That's like GameStop not selling a games to a girl because they believe games are for boys.
 
Otakumegane said:
Is it correct in assuming that the dissenting justices didn't hate the idea of gay marriage but were opposed to taking that decision away from the states?

Because the 5-4 split seems weird.
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Roberts is basically that.

Two are just "we don't think gay marriage is a human right."

And the fourth is, well, Clarence Thomas kind of defies explanation sometimes.
 
God Dayumm said:
Don't forget tumblr!

http://imgur.com/iTZne8R
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PSqueak said:
This is why i hate tumblr sometimes, you'd think this is something they'd be euphoric about, but even in this TITANIC VICTORY FOR EQUAL RIGHTS, they feel the need to play the oppression olympics.

And if you call them out, you're all sorts of "Phobic", except homophobic for this one time.
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"TW: Not Tumblr"

Not that tumblr doesn't have cliques and issues and stuff but it's not really fair to blame it for everything /r/TiA decides to hold up and mock. That comment almost certainly came from elsewhere on reddit.
 
I think we should really take a moment to appreciate RBG's massive burn on the States Rights argument that marriage's purpose is to rear a child.

"So, say that a seventy year old couple wants to get married..."
 
metalslimer said:
We can talk about the Obama administration being cowards but they have always been behind gay rights. Had he not been elected this likely would not be happening anytime soon. The Supreme Court would have been stacked for decades against the lgbt community. And let's not forget that prop 8 passed in California in 2008. This is not to say he deserves most of the credit for all the decades of work that has gone into this.
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Had he not been elected, Kagan and Sotomayor probably wouldn't be sitting there handing down the verdict too :p
 
metalslimer said:
At least 2 of the justices are homophobic as shit. I'm still kind of surprised Roberts went against this since it seems like he knows this will remain a stain on his legacy
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I think it was actually to help his legacy on the conservative side. His vote wasn't needed for the majority so he dissented as softly as possible. He needed the recovery from the ACA ruling yesterday.

I think if he had been necessary for the majority in the unlikely event Kennedy dissented, he might have signed on to the majority opinion,
 
massoluk said:
Had he not been elected, Kagan and Sotomayor probably wouldn't be sitting there handing down the verdict too :p
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Honestly we could have been stuck with 7 conservative justices for the next 30-40 years because Scalia and Thomas sure as hell would have retired. The thought of that should scare the hell out of anyone
 
Pillville said:
I think people that have known each other less than 1 year should not get married
I think people more than 30 years apart should not get married
I think people that don't speak the same language should not get married
etc.....

but you know what? I'm not arrogant enough to think I can make other people's decisions for them. Nor am I delusional enough to think that their personal decisions will somehow affect my life.

So, I simply applied those rules to my own life and marriage, and let other people follow their own rules.
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No man is an island. It's short-sighted to think that people's personal decisions have no affect on other people's lives. And, whether you think it's good or bad, there's no doubt that the cultural acceptance of homosexuality, simply the latest step in the continual progress of the Sexual Revolution that places individual feelings as the ultimate authority and the person as open to unbounded self-definition and self-determination, has profoundly affected everyone living in the culture.

Felix Lighter said:
I don't assume all those opposed to gay marriage want to burn all gays at the stake. Of course not but, I do know that they want to deny them the right to marry the person they love, which is also reprehensible.
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Here we get to the heart of the problem - what is marriage? Some people believe it is about procreation. Some people believe it is a sacrament ordained by God. Most people today, though, believe it is based on personal feelings of affection and those alone. I can certainly see why people who believe those feelings are the ultimate virtue resent anything they feel restricts their expression of those feelings, but I would hope some of them would at least try to understand why people who believe marriage is more than an arbitrary social construct believe that it is an institution which needs some limits placed on it.
 
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