SCOTUS strikes down gay marriage bans, legalizing marriage equality nationwide

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It strikes me that this fight has been extremely silly and unproductive for the right.

I mean, what was ever going to be gained?

This is not the sort of thing you fight. It is inevitable. Yes, even in the very possible scenario wherein the court votes the other way.
 
MartyStu said:
It strikes me that this fight has been extremely silly and unproductive for the right.

I mean, what was ever going to be gained?
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A myopic victory that maybe but probably didn't make a difference and 2004 that ultimately lost them a generation of Millenial voters.
 
Finding my wife and moving to Canada.

— Lee (@RoyTheV) June 26, 2015

Gay marriage is now legalized in the entire US. Moving to Canada. — Lord of Wolves (@NeverThatKid) June 26, 2015

Well, this country is going to hell after that. Moving to Canada

— kakashi1426 (@Kakashi1426) June 26, 2015

I’m moving to Canada

— Corey Pyles (@CoreyPyles3) June 26, 2015

I’m moving to Canada this country has gone crazy

— Blake Baumgartner (@baum9artner) June 26, 2015


That’s it I’m moving to Canada.

— tilar (@iRuleTheRhoades) June 26, 2015

Well looks like I’m moving to Canada, anyone wanna join? — Alex Jack (@alexjjack) June 26, 2015

I’m moving to Canada.. America is going down hill tbh no one remembers what our country was founded upon.

— ☁️ (@KennedyHughes9) June 26, 2015
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I love when conservatives want to move to Canada,

Shows they don't know Canada.
 
hosannainexcelsis said:
I think the argument would point mostly towards the quantifiable differences between men and women and saying that is in those differences that the special nature of their relationship is founded..
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Physical mental/emotional differences are simply averages. Women are on average shorter and less physically strong then men. Lets say for the sake of the argument that women are on average more emotional than men. That's still simply averages. You can have sociopathic unempathetic women, and hyper-empath men. You can have a weak short dude and a fairly bulky "hulkish" woman. So nothing about those differences precludes gay couples from having those dynamics.

Of course some physical differences are almost always absolute. Like someone of the male sex has a penis and someone of the female sex has a vagina. But then if you want to base your argument entirely around that, you're really just kind of using a rather juvenile point of "penis loves vagina, vagina loves penis" and using that as the ultimate determiner of what marriage ought to be. But this seems to ignore/flat out deny the fact that gay men and gay women can and do have physically and emotionally fulfilling sex with their same sex partners.
 
ivysaur12 said:
We could just ask bisexual people who have been in relationships with both men and women.
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As a pansexual I can safely say whatever "magic hormone gestalt" effect they're looking for is one part salt and six parts bullshit. I've had meaningful emotional relationships with either gender, possibly even moreso in same-sex relationships.
 
hosannainexcelsis said:
Like I said earlier, this is larger than just procreation. The latter two categories are marginal cases that would have to be examined on an individual level.



Well, I can't make any statements about this kind of physical or emotional intimacy from experience, and I'm certainly not trying to. This is all an issue I'm commenting on from the outside, so to speak.



I think the argument would point mostly towards the quantifiable differences between men and women and saying that is in those differences that the special nature of their relationship is founded.



I said that men and women are different, not specifically how they are different or how those differences apply to everyone on an individual level. You're reading stereotypes into my posts that aren't there.

I'm pointing out that the differences between the two sides of the same-sex marriage issue does pretty much boil down to who defines marriage and how it is thus defined. Your position is one that follows logically from the belief that marriage is a social contract defined by the government with certain legal and financial benefits conferred on the participants.
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Other than standard Dick vagina, what quantifiable differences are you even talking about? Why couldn't those differences exist between Man man woman woman.

This is why I said you've added a layer of sexism to your argument.
 
GameGuru59 said:
Wait does GAP actually stand for gay and proud? Also, GAP has been around since before 1969?!
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No, the name came from the founders' intention to fill a gap they saw in the market for good jeans. They founded the company in 1969 in San Francisco, CA and have always supported LGBT rights in their companies.
 
hosannainexcelsis said:
I said that men and women are different, not specifically how they are different or how those differences apply to everyone on an individual level. You're reading stereotypes into my posts that aren't there.

I'm pointing out that the differences between the two sides of the same-sex marriage issue does pretty much boil down to who defines marriage and how it is thus defined. Your position is one that follows logically from the belief that marriage is a social contract defined by the government with certain legal and financial benefits conferred on the participants.
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You did not specify stereotypes but this is what you said in a previous post "the different innate strengths and weaknesses and the different physical makeup of the two genders are designed to work together to create something greater than each individual part." So I ask you what are these strengths and weaknesses that compliment each other? Why can't men and women each have these strengths and weaknesses? Why can't two men or women who love each other compliment each other? No two men are alike or two women for that matter, why can't men have attributes that women have or vice versa? I feel like no matter how you answer these questions I or someone else will find a hole in your logic.

Take myself as an example for a preemptive post as I have to be away from the computer for awhile and cannot respond in a timely manner. I am in a heterosexual marriage, however, if you were to look at our marriage you would think that I am the women and my wife is the man by certain stereotypes. I do not know your answer yet but I am sure I would fit your definition of a woman in a marriage.

Anyways, I cannot continue this discussion but if someone else wants to continue they can. Congrats to everyone who can now enjoy being married to their loved ones.
 
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Wonderful pictures! Thanks for sharing them.
 
Very late to the thread, but I wanted to say that I'm very happy about today's decision. I was pretty confident that they would rule against the ban, but it was of course disappointing that more justices were not in the majority opinion. I thought it would be 6-3 easy. Nevertheless, our country took a very big step forward today!
 
SalsaShark said:
”I’m in a weird situation because i like rainbows.. but I’m not gay. So, i wear a rainbow on my shirt – but then under it, it says “not gay ” .. but I’m not against gay people, so under that i have to put “but supportive.” I just think its weird that one group took refracted light. That’s preeetty greedy gays.”
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ROFL!!!, i like rainbows too :(
 
Sub-Zero at a Starbucks said:
As a pansexual I can safely say whatever "magic hormone gestalt" effect they're looking for is one part salt and six parts bullshit. I've had meaningful emotional relationships with either gender, possibly even moreso in same-sex relationships.
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As a bisexual guy, I can attest to this as well. ^^

Grats to the US, an awesome day for everyone there! :)

I hope this wakes Switzerland up as well. Marriage equality is long overdue here.
 
I’m moving to Canada.. America is going down hill tbh no one remembers what our country was founded upon.

— ☁️ (@KennedyHughes9) June 26, 2015
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this has to be the most ironic of all the tweets.
 
Oh man, the saltiness I've seen today... It's kind of great, but super fucking annoying too. Anyways, congrats to everyone getting married, shouldn't have taken this long.
 
MartyStu said:
It strikes me that this fight has been extremely silly and unproductive for the right.

I mean, what was ever going to be gained?

This is not the sort of thing you fight. It is inevitable. Yes, even in the very possible scenario wherein the court votes the other way.
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Exactly. There was never anything to gain from opposing marriage equality. It's apalling that they accused the other side of pushing a "gay agenda" when they were the ones forcing their beliefs on others.

DontBeThatGuy said:
Oh man, the saltiness I've seen today... It's kind of great, but super fucking annoying too. Anyways, congrats to everyone getting married, shouldn't have taken this long.
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My sentiments exactly.
 
AbsolutBro said:
Honest question here: how does Pansexual differ from Bisexual? Google basically tells me "bisexual, but more fluid" which really doesn't answer the question.
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One of my boyfriends is pansexual, he tells me that he doesn't feel sexually attracted towards sexual-physical features, but rather emotional and social features. They are attracted to the person, not their sex or gender.
 
God those pictures of couples being allowed to marry for the first time..if you can't look at those and feel anything but joy and elation for those people, where the fuck is your heart?

I'm so happy for my gay brothers and sisters in America. And proud of everyone who fought for this. What a time to be alive.
 
SpiralZilla said:
Exactly. There was never anything to gain from opposing marriage equality. It's apalling that they accused the other side of pushing a "gay agenda" when they were the ones forcing their beliefs on others.
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The entire strategy was to keep the religious voting block consolidated on the GOP side, because that was the strategy that kept Republicans in the White House, with the one minor interruption, from Reagan to GWB. It was a wedge issue that could easily galvanize that block.

Historically, the religious voting block was split along party lines geographically like everyone else in the nation, but Lee Atwater was like "hey, let's convince these people moral decay is all over the place and only republicans can solve it."
 
hosannainexcelsis said:
I think the argument would point mostly towards the quantifiable differences between men and women and saying that is in those differences that the special nature of their relationship is founded.
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That isn't an argument, that's a statement: "Men and Women are different, those differences make those relationships special."

It's a statement I don't even particularly disagree with, except for few small changes: "Men, and Women, are different, those differences make relationships special."

hosannainexcelsis said:
I said that men and women are different, not specifically how they are different or how those differences apply to everyone on an individual level. You're reading stereotypes into my posts that aren't there.
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Newsflash: Two Men can be just as different from each other as a Man and a Woman can be similar. Get your mind out of other people's underwear.
 
CrimzonSamurai said:
The entire strategy was to keep the religious voting block consolidated on the GOP side, because that was the strategy that kept Republicans in the White House, with the one minor interruption, from Reagan to GWB. It was a wedge issue that could easily galvanize that block.

Historically, the religious voting block was split along party lines geographically like everyone else in the nation, but Lee Atwater was like "hey, let's convince these people moral decay is all over the place and only republicans can solve it."
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Abortion will keep the religious block firmly in the right.
 
benjipwns said:
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I don't doubt that this will happen, at least a little bit. Wealthy gay donors will be less inclined to give money to the HRC or other gay rights group who are trying to advocate for poor, non-white, LGBT persons and issues of employment and housing, among other things.

But there's been a sea change in opinion. These issues will still be fought for and will be won.

(I know you're just benji-ing, but I thought I'd given an honest reply)
 
A few thoughts...

Justice Scalia said:
The five Justices who compose today’s majority are entirely comfortable concluding that every State violated the Constitution for all of the 135 years between the Fourteenth Amendment’s ratification and Massachusetts’ permitting of same-sex marriages in 2003. They have discovered in the Fourteenth Amendment a “fundamental right” overlooked by every person alive at the time of ratification, and almost everyone else in the time since.
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Does gay marriage totally unhinge Scalia or what? Society changes. Stating there isn't a expressly written right to gay rights in the constitution is one of the weakest arguments to use -- indeed cases like this are the entire purpose of judicial review. The constitution isn't that dead.

Alito's dissent is somehow even more fucking pathetic, and is hardly worth dignifying with a comment. I'll try: he's a shitty prophesier, apparently letting the supposed ramifications sway his case, which are rooted in the iron-age conception of marriage for the sole purpose of procreation.

Justice Alito said:
Their basic argument is that States formalize and promote marriage, unlike other fulfilling human relationships, in order to encourage potentially procreative conduct to take place within a lasting unit that has long been thought to provide the best atmosphere for raising children.
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Where does it say on my marriage contract that I should be procreating?
 
If some conservative ignoramus actually goes through with the "moving to Canada" thing I hope someone documents the process and posts it online
 
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