It's sexism. If it was a smaller dude in the position she was in, everyone would say he was stupid for picking a fight with someone bigger and he got what he deserved. She's only getting the benefit of the doubt here because she's a woman. If she was male, almost certain he'd still be on the team. I wouldn't hit a woman but hold her accountable for goodness sake for at least provoking this.
Video shows FSU QB throwing a punch at a woman at a bar
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It's sexism. If it was a smaller dude in the position she was in, everyone would say he was stupid for picking a fight with someone bigger and he got what he deserved. She's only getting the benefit of the doubt here because she's a woman. If she was male, almost certain he'd still be on the team. I wouldn't hit a woman but hold her accountable for goodness sake for at least provoking this.
Somewhere in the Ray Rice video maybe.
The effectiveness of her attacks don't count either. He used a reasonable amount of force to stop her from attacking him. She had crossed the line into unlawful use of force when she started kneeing and trying to punch him.
If she has suffered a long term injury then maybe the court would take that as excessive force. A black eye is certainly not. In the video she is stunned but very alert. The punch looks far worse than it probably is. I'm not sure of the case law in the US, but I doubt that it would be seen as excessive in my country. It would be fairly cut and dry.
Not suffering damage is irrelevant if he is found to have acted in self defense using reasonable force. Minor injuries that heal in a week would meet that criteria in many countries.
The Incarnation
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I'm sure that punch would valid under the stand your ground law.
It isn't reasonable. This is a matter of opinion of course, but you don't seem to be judging reasonableness in the appropriate way. The number of attacks don't factor into it, the thing that matters is what can reasonably be believed is coming next. He used more than the least amount of physical violence necessary to protect himself.
Nope.
somehow this reminds me of the nyc subway incident
People would be better off to keep hands to themselves.
People would be better off to keep hands to themselves.
yellowjacket25
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Not really. He will probably transfer to a junior college and be back with a major program in 2 years. FSU had no choice but to kick him off the team but someone else will give him a second chance later.
He's joking. The SEC has a rule prohibiting member schools from picking up a player kicked off a team for a serious violation. I believe this qualifies.
But I do always love a good Auburn joke.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
He was charged with misdemeanor battery.
To the first point, I bet you're wrong! I bet many posters ITT are pro hitting people in the face. I doubt many of them have done it but they seem very eager to do so.
I'm anti that as well. They should both get a slap on the wrist and banned from bars.
Eh, you're probably right.
Nah, looks like the hands of another girl that is right behind her.
Of course. You could certainly argue that she has continued to escalate the matter. She also has friends beside her - someone who was grabbing at his arm in the video - who may get involved.
It's reasonable to assume there could also be other men nearby who may come to her aid. Being in a bar she could get her hands on a bottle. She could get a good kick on his groin - the great leveler - and you don't want to be on the ground in a crowded bar during a fight. She could get a lucky strike with her hand and take out his eye. He cannot retreat without risking more attack due to the bar being crowded.
What's coming next could be anything. One punch and he walks away is a reasonable response. She has minor injuries. Reasonable.
The Incarnation
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I was joking, fool. And who let your racist ass back on the forum.
20 odd pages of you arguing with people. Get a grip.
I agree with you guys.
Its ridiculous that essentially women can do lots of physical things to men, but as soon as the man retaliates, he is at fault. Don't start none, won't be none.
Also she should be charged with assault as well.
No it isn't her friends hand. Friends left hand is holding a drink and right hand is on his arm. I think his hand is on her breast.
Taco_Human
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She punched him first, the fuck?
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No it isn't her friends hand. Friends left hand is holding a drink and right hand is on his arm. I think his hand is on her breast.
So whats your point.
You think his whole plan was to get a feel?
Ray Wonder
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No it isn't her friends hand. Friends left hand is holding a drink and right hand is on his arm. I think his hand is on her breast.
Honestly, I can't tell. There somehow seems to be 7-8 arms in that shot.
Hitting her really hard doesn't nullify this hypothetical where other people join in. In fact it makes that more likely, not less.
Ziltoidia 9
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I have this view point also, and there are some pretty over zealous women who are either looking for an altercation (this can happen in more domestic issues) and there are some who just want to taunt and taunt because they feel like they are untouchable.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Seriously. What drunk college star quarterback would grope a woman?!
My point is I think he grabbed her breast and that is when she hit him.
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Then she shouldn't have thrown it.
BronzeWolf
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I think you cannot prove this without doubt
Yeah, this. He looks like the clear instigator here. He was deliberately pressing up against her in the beginning, when she first turns to say something to him.
It seems unlikely given the situation. He was actively trying to restrain her.
HammerOfThor
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Maybe its just my imagination, but the girl looks kinda drunk and for a moment it looks like she was just messing around.
No idea what she said when she brought her fist up but I don't think if I where in that situation I'd grab her, that seems to be what escalated the situation a bit.
Then again I'm the type of person who walks away from these situation, I'm going out to have fun not start fights.
No idea what she said when she brought her fist up but I don't think if I where in that situation I'd grab her, that seems to be what escalated the situation a bit.
Then again I'm the type of person who walks away from these situation, I'm going out to have fun not start fights.
David Incorporated Esq.
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No, and if he did it was incidental because they were grappling. So no. Also, she clearly kicks/knees him twice.
What? Have you ever been to a bar? It was packed and he was trying to get by other people to the bar, unfortunately he ended up pressing against her but that happens all the time.
Miles Quaritch
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I'm watching in 720p in cinema mode and I don't see his hand touching his breast.
Maybe I should download it and watch it frame by frame....
Sho_Nuff82
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Ray Rice knocked a woman (who had not touched him) out cold and dragged her out of an elevator without a hint of remorse.
This boy got in a fight and tagged her hard enough to make her stop hitting him.
The only similarity is that they play the same sport.
If we called the cops every time two college students got in a fight at the bar I used to work at, we wouldn't have had a college night for very long.
Your Entertainer
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Don't understand. She hit him first (ignoring the alleged groin strike). What was he supposed to do? Just let her keep hitting him?
She hit him, he hit back. Don't see why she shouldn't be charged as well.
She hit him, he hit back. Don't see why she shouldn't be charged as well.
You dont really believe that really huh?
No but it allows him to make an exit quickly.
In a self defence situation you are taught to run first and if you can't run, hit hard and run. Its a solid defence.
As to how hard he hit its impossible to tell from the video, but she didn't seem to lose consciousness and only seemed staggered.
Being an athlete I assume he can hit a lot harder than that, maybe not. Some weight training actually make punches less effective as it build muscles that work against the punch.
Unfortunately for him the law seems to be only concerned with who hit last.
Netherscourge
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So he bumps/shoves her into the bar, she turns and yells at him for it, then he grabs her arm, she slaps his face and he punches her.
Class act there.
Hopefully his career is over and the only uniform we see him in is an orange jumpsuit.
Class act there.
Hopefully his career is over and the only uniform we see him in is an orange jumpsuit.
Yes, lets pull a kid out of college and put him into prison for a scuffle. That'll surely teach him things.
If he can't take a punch from a drunk girl then damn is it good that Prince Powder there will not be taking the field again.
Take the punch or avoid it, walk it off and get security to take care of the problem and laugh it off while having a story for your friends.
Unless your friends respond better to "Lol then I cranked back and decked a bitch"..
Your Entertainer
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Terrible narrative of events (we have video) and comes across as highly judgemental.
No, he wanted to get to the bar, so he found a woman he could shove aside. It happens all of the time. You'll notice no one else at the bar has someone pressing up behind them. If she were a man, he probably would have respected her space more.
TheLostBigBoss
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Yea, when drunk people do stupid shit it's best to try and just knock them out, especially if they are clearly not a threat and the situation can easily be solved by walking away.
I feel like I'm in a fucking reddit thread with some of these responses.
Miles Quaritch
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There's no groping, looks like her friends are holding his other arm and he pushes her arm into her chest to stop her from attacking.
Something interesting...she seemingly puts her arm across his neck before he even touches her, another clear indication of her aggressive behaviour.
Something interesting...she seemingly puts her arm across his neck before he even touches her, another clear indication of her aggressive behaviour.
JensenBeeswax
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Left the sticker on his hat. Can't expect much of those people.
In Belgian Criminal law we have a term called "uitlokking" which roughly translates to "incitement".
He clearly didn't start anything, both were intoxicated, she initiated the violence by raising her first, kneeing him and then punching him.
In his defence I would argue self defence (allthough the DA could easily argue disproportional force), and incitement, her actions alone caused this to happen, most drunk men in the same cicrcumstances would act the same.
That would be my defence, if I were his attorny and if it were in Belgium.
But yeah, I don't condone violence. Especially against women. So if I could choose I'd be on the other side trying to get a conviction.
He clearly didn't start anything, both were intoxicated, she initiated the violence by raising her first, kneeing him and then punching him.
In his defence I would argue self defence (allthough the DA could easily argue disproportional force), and incitement, her actions alone caused this to happen, most drunk men in the same cicrcumstances would act the same.
That would be my defence, if I were his attorny and if it were in Belgium.
But yeah, I don't condone violence. Especially against women. So if I could choose I'd be on the other side trying to get a conviction.
Where is that particular law defined in this case??
BadMediaKarma
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She did not slap him she punched him. How do you get someone's closed fist to someone's face as slapping? Is it because she's a woman?
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