No cant prove it. That is why I said MAY and I think.
Unlikely or not I think you can see his hand grab her breast. Then her shirt is pulled in his direction.
Maybe you should.
I do.
Video shows FSU QB throwing a punch at a woman at a bar
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No cant prove it. That is why I said MAY and I think.
Unlikely or not I think you can see his hand grab her breast. Then her shirt is pulled in his direction.
Maybe you should.
I do.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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I hope this is sarcasm.
Your Entertainer
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Walking away would have been best (almost always is), but he's justified in defending himself here imo. She threw first and also allegedly tried kneeing/ kicking. Girl or not - that should have any play here. Girls don't get to freely hit guys or anyone - it's not right. She made a bad decision by punching him; don't think there's anyway to justify her actions here. (Before any reporting-happy posters come along, That statement is independent of whether or not he was justified in hitting her; just saying that choosing to start a fight with someone is a poor idea).
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David Incorporated Esq.
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Man, go back and watch the video from the beginning.
Don't be an idiot. People who keep the tags on their hats are annoying, regardless of race.
This topic is full of sexist posts. It's nauseating frankly, as someone who was physically assaulted by my first wife (she was convicted of assault, it's on record). Society has a disgusting, hypocritical view of female-on-male violence.
First of all, no one should be hitting anyone. Men shouldn't hit men, women shouldn't hit women, men shouldn't hit women, women shouldn't hit men.
Once you throw a punch at someone, they can defend themselves. Period. She initiated the violence by throwing the first punch. His retaliation was warranted, because she may have followed that first punch with another punch, or the alleged knee to the groin that supposedly did occur. Now, if he had knocked her down, and followed her to the ground, kicking and punching, then that goes beyond self defense.
White-knighting has no place here. Again, she initiated the violence. If some 120 pound weakling of a guy punches me in the face without warning, I'm probably going to hit him back even though I'm much larger. And the size gap here is not nearly as large as it would be between me and a 120 pound guy. She's probably close to his body weight.
First of all, no one should be hitting anyone. Men shouldn't hit men, women shouldn't hit women, men shouldn't hit women, women shouldn't hit men.
Once you throw a punch at someone, they can defend themselves. Period. She initiated the violence by throwing the first punch. His retaliation was warranted, because she may have followed that first punch with another punch, or the alleged knee to the groin that supposedly did occur. Now, if he had knocked her down, and followed her to the ground, kicking and punching, then that goes beyond self defense.
White-knighting has no place here. Again, she initiated the violence. If some 120 pound weakling of a guy punches me in the face without warning, I'm probably going to hit him back even though I'm much larger. And the size gap here is not nearly as large as it would be between me and a 120 pound guy. She's probably close to his body weight.
Morrigan Stark
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He grabs her arm because she raised her fist to his face. For fuck's sake...
Yeah, a prison sentence is the civilized solution to a petty bar brawl. Are you for real?
Now that is perfectly reasonable. Agreed.
Not him, but the overall culture of glorifying athletes and in particular college athletes.
It's relevant to both.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull
Walk away from the crowded bar that got you into the situation to begin with? Defend himself less aggressively? Restrain her? There can be unintended consequences even when the punch is deserved or in your right. It's almost never worth it.
JensenBeeswax
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Come on man.
Even the title of this thread is bullshit just like all the people who are defending this girl.
So much truth here.
There's no groping, looks like her friends are holding his other arm and he pushes her arm into her chest to stop her from attacking.
Something interesting...she seemingly puts her arm across his neck before he even touches her, another clear indication of her aggressive behaviour.
So much truth here.
robotzombie
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I like how you changed the entire story to fit your judgement despite us already having actual video evidence of what happened
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Watch the beginning. He was able to get by one girl with ease (probably saying excuse me) and the girl he hit was clearly trying to get in the way of him getting to the bar, which provoked the situation.
old manatee
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Best gaf thread in a while.
Yeah, I did. He's pressing up against her and pushing her from the start. Seriously, this happens all of the time. From the start, it looks like she's trying to get him off of her, and then it escalates.
TheLostBigBoss
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Defending yourself against what? Some tiny chick who is shitcocked and poses no threat that threw a punch that is about as powerful as my fart?
He escalated it by clocking her, he was in no danger, there was no self defense.
White Knighting? Get real
I know what happens when people go off on other GAF members, so I'm really biting my tongue in this thread
I'm wondering what rabbit hole I've fallen down where not hitting a woman back is called white knighting. What the fuck is going on in here?
Yes, women should be charged with assault if they hit a man. Yes, men shouldn't hit women, they shouldn't hit men either. Assault applies in all cases.
Your Entertainer
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As I stated in another post, walking away would have been best, but he's definitely justified in self defense here with her being the clear aggressor.
The cognitive dissonance is mind-numbing.
How the fuck does someone go from "He wasn't at fault" to "I'd still be on her side."
People are fucking idiots.
David Incorporated Esq.
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He was being a little pushy getting through, but it's nothing out of the ordinary in a popular place, especially since they were both getting to the bar. Was he rude? Yeah maybe, but what does that have to do with raising your fist at somebody?
How did he escalated it when he responded in kind? She threw the first punch. That's not "escalating". And she appears to be close to his body weight, hardly tiny.
Sorry, but this happens between two guys in a bar and it doesn't get a thread. This is BS.
You mean the other woman he pushed out of the bar? She was trying to stay near the bar, but he kept pushing into her back, until she gave up and walked away.
Also, are you seriously phrasing it as the woman "getting in his way." Like, how dare she also try to order a drink?
Morrigan Stark
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It's like you just ignored the whole content of the post....
Yeah, that's pretty amazing.
I could live with them both being charged with assault. Let his attorney argue the self defense angle. But charging him with battery and her with nothing? Ridiculous.
He did not respond in kind. Unless you didn't watch the video or every punch or attempted punch is equal to you.
TheLostBigBoss
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Oh yea, that punch really looked powerful, real effort in that to do some harm.
He escalated it due to the amount of force he used in his punch. He's lucky someone else didn't come along and break his face in with a bottle after they saw him do that.
It doesn't get a thread when two guys go at it because it's usually a fucking fight, and not someone lobbing the lightest of punches.
But I like how you're going the Mens Right Activist angle, at least you're open about it.
Big Shirtless Ron
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What? No he was not. She wedged herself between him and the guy in glasses, then tried to push him out with her body.
Seriously, what video are some of you watching?
You can clearly see her forcing him further to the left/w her body before turning and placing her forearm on his chest.
David Incorporated Esq.
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The first girl he gets by he says something to her and she proceeds to begin moving out of the way, which was difficult because of how many people were there, and during this movement they jostle around and he presses up against punchy girl.
IISANDERII
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Yeah so how does the Stand Your Ground law come into this? That Zimmer guy didn't respond with equal force, nor was it even in the same moment.
BronzeWolf
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... nevermind
My point is that he started it. It's really weird that people are saying she started the altercation. They're just completely ignoring that he was 100% in her space and pushing against her. I guess, he's entitled to get to the bar and she was just "getting in his way." The suggestion is that she started it, by not immediately getting out of his way, when he started pushing her.
Whenever someone throws a punch at someone else's face, that's an effort to do harm. The intent was the same, worse even, as she initiated the violence.
And so your verdict is that someone else should have come along and actually escalated it by assaulting the guy with a potentially-deadly weapon? Wow. I don't even know what to say to that.
I watched the video three times. Did she throw a punch first or didn't she?
TheLostBigBoss
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Learn how to read.
BronzeWolf
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Being in "someone's space" in a crowded bar is no reason for initiating an Assault (raising a fist is assault)
So, again, you're saying that she started the altercation, because she refused to get out of the way of the man who wanted a drink? Yeah, she wanted to get to the bar and she got there first and then tried to maintain her space, that he was trying to take. What video are you watching?
It's almost as if you've never been in a crowded place before. He didn't use any excessive for in trying to get to the bar. She wasn't even in the area until she went out of her way to block him from getting to the bar.
It's as if you people who are defending her aren't even looking at the actual video.
Look at the pic I posted. You can see what I believe is the thumb on his right hand on her left breast. Then watch the video you can see the thumb appear and her shirt gets pulled forward. At 20 to 21 secs. Right after that she punches him.
You're better than this.
Realistically, she's probably around 150-160 pounds. He's 177.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Are we watching the same video? He did not push that first woman out of the way. It was clear that he was just trying to get by and he probably said excuse me to do it.
I'm saying the girl he hit clearly moved her hip in the way to not allow the guy to get to the bar even though there was clearly room for both to stand and wait.
Watching it again closely, and talking about after the exchange you describe she threatens him with her fist. He grabs her wrist trying to protect himself from harm. She gets her wrist free and throws a punch at his face.
Jesus. In what world is that woman a victim? That's crazy, just crazy. The double standard in our society with this stuff, it makes me sick.
jesus there was clearly enough space for him there and she didnt want him to get there, here is a gif of it if you dont believe it
there was clearly space for both. You might want to actually watch the footage
She clearly moves into a completely new area of bar real estate just to prevent him from getting there.
It's as though these people aren't watching the video. It's pathetic.
Quoted for truth, again:
There's no groping, looks like her friends are holding his other arm and he pushes her arm into her chest to stop her from attacking.
Something interesting...she seemingly puts her arm across his neck before he even touches her, another clear indication of her aggressive behaviour.
TheLostBigBoss
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Oh the poor man who cold clocked a women! Won't anyone think of the men in America!?!?
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