Video shows FSU QB throwing a punch at a woman at a bar
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Ok great. I do see her shift to the left a bit and then he pushes against her back with his shoulder. It really is impossible for any of us to tell if he is pushing or she is. I just believe from what I saw that he is pushing. Doesn't make anyone dumb.
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Hang on, was she drunk?
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Eek the racism was real with ha. She is done
squarerootofpie
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The thing is, going by the gifs I would have said she started it, but watching the video, there's a good 10 seconds of him pushing against her constantly even though you can see she feels uncomfortable and is trying to push him away. Then there's several seconds of him grabbing her arm that has the handbag on it (i'm pointing this out because that's the reason her arm was in that position) and pushing her before she lashes out, which is pretty damn understandable. Grabbing someone like that is not warranted just because they feel weird about you being pressed up against them. You can also so obviously see her saying "hey hey hey get off" which just looks like she's trying to calm him down.
I do see her leg move out, but even so he has like absolutely no reaction to that, if she did kick him? Maybe he has balls of steel and she actually did, but it just looks like he's using that as a reason to act like a dick and get away with it. Overall, it seems like she was a bit aggy, but there is absolutely no reason to fucking K.O her like that.
I do see her leg move out, but even so he has like absolutely no reaction to that, if she did kick him? Maybe he has balls of steel and she actually did, but it just looks like he's using that as a reason to act like a dick and get away with it. Overall, it seems like she was a bit aggy, but there is absolutely no reason to fucking K.O her like that.
The patriarchy has ingrained in our heads that women are to be set aside and protected from the violence inbred into men.
This issue is clearly one of sexism.
Both of these people are kinda trash and defending either one is a lost cause.
It seems like he's owned up to it though.
Neffarias_Bredd
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Whether or not he was pushing against her is irrelevant. She started everything by assaulting him, unless you consider trying to push past someone at a bar assault. I think he was justified in punching her back, even though it wasn't the best course of action (better to just walk away)
Miles Quaritch
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I'm going to watch it frame by frame again and take shots, but so far I'm not seeing his hand specifically groping her breast.
MrChocolate
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And all she was doing was fighting his male privilege with her fist.
We can all play these silly games. Bottom line is, don't hit people.
I know nothing about Belgian law, but I'm almost certainly sure being drunk is not a defence in Belgium.
Even in Civil systems there is a version of the reasonable person doctrine, and being drunk is usually per se unreasonable. He's also underage, and that would doubly count against him. The question then becomes - if he was sober what would the reasonable person would have done in that situation?
Legalistically speaking I think it would be hard to argue that a reasonable person who happened to be a college football player in the top division of college football would be able to find a justification for punching a girl like this. His job is to take hits daily from people much larger than himself, and if he can withstand that then he should be able to withstand the awkward blows of a dumpy party girl. Instinct isn't an excuse either because reasonable people use critical thinking not raw emotion by definition (hence the "reason" part).
Jawbreaker
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It's not irrelevant if his intentional pushing/touching is considered battery and her reaction one of self-defense.
It's weird how we on the "no one hit anyone, but consequences if you do" side are trying to be turned into some "it's okay to hit women" constituency.
If what initially takes place in that video is considered battery, the we better shut down every bar and club in America. Come on. It's not battery. Just stop.
And she's still pushing backward against him.
But do you see the part I am talking about. Is that not his thumb in the pic I posted?
They are both in the wrong. I don't get why so many people are on one side or the other. They are both the victims and the aggressors. They both could of handled the situation and they both should be at fault and have charges pressed against them if any chargers are filled.
Was he was trying to get a spot at the bar that was too small for him? Yup it looks like it. Does that mean it's ok for her to allegedly throw racial slurs at him and start a physical confrontation? No. And him being the obviously physically stronger person, could he have done a better de-escalating the situation? Yes. Did she deserve to get clocked like that for her actions? No. But people can't expect no matter what gender, size, race, or whatever, to be able to physically try assault another person without some sort of repercussion. And that statement goes to both of them.
And by the way, I do think he is a douche for punching her like that. But she isn't no saint that got attacked by some big black football player.
Was he was trying to get a spot at the bar that was too small for him? Yup it looks like it. Does that mean it's ok for her to allegedly throw racial slurs at him and start a physical confrontation? No. And him being the obviously physically stronger person, could he have done a better de-escalating the situation? Yes. Did she deserve to get clocked like that for her actions? No. But people can't expect no matter what gender, size, race, or whatever, to be able to physically try assault another person without some sort of repercussion. And that statement goes to both of them.
And by the way, I do think he is a douche for punching her like that. But she isn't no saint that got attacked by some big black football player.
In Star Trek terms, the hit should've been at impulse power instead of warp factor 5.
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If someone yells "No!" twice and tries to fend someone off, that doesn't sound like she's inciting this.
I just don't think it's sexist to say women are generally weaker than men. Especially this drunk chick and this former starting QB.
And what she deserved is irrelevant in this case when he lost his scholarship over it. He should have shown some restraint because he had way more to lose, and then did.
old manatee
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Everybody keeps talking about how he "knocked her out" and how disproportionate his punch was compared to hers (which came first btw), but she just stands there and takes it like it's not that big a deal. Given that he is a male athlete I have to assume he pulled back on it.
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Has it been confirmed she was drunk?
super-heated plasma
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I was assaulted by a girl once. She punched me right in the eye. Needless to say I was very unhappy and was extremely close to throwing back. But I restrained myself. The simple fact is the guy could have done the same, but I don't blame him much for feeling the need to strike back. Indeed if this was a two guys, there would not be a thread about this, and the guy would still be on the team most likely. She was the aggressor. Why does the fact that she's a woman make this special? Every person should to be treated equally. But some people don't want that when that equality suddenly is not in their favor.
This is bullshit. He is trying to squeeze by the larger woman, the same woman that the white chick also bumped against in a similar fashion and again there was no problem.
Miles Quaritch
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It's too hard to tell. There are like 5 different arms in the shot and it's impossible to know if it's specifically his thumb, but even if it is, I'm not sure that can be called groping if he's attempting to push her away and his thumb accidentally touches her breast.
Has she made allegations of groping?
old manatee
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But it didn't hurt because girls are weak like children.
stn
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That affidavit is worded interestingly. The actions of the victim are described as "attempted strikes" while the defendant's are labeled as "punches". I don't see any attempts in what the girl did, she clearly punched him - whether a weak punch or not. At the end of the day, I chalk this up to two drunk teenagers not handling a situation properly.
Is belligerent ok?
I've seen enough drunk chicks in my time, I can tell from the pixels.
Lovely Salsa
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In complete agreement.
Have you seen that video or any of those GIFs? Have you seen a drunk college girl?
This girl was loaded. Sobered up pretty quickly after that punch, though.
I can't tell if this guy is being serious or if this is some kind of sneaky back-handed attack on women and there physical prowess
Yeah. I haven't seen anyone saying that it's ok to hit women, but that's what our position is being twisted into. It's a double standard, and it's wrong.
That's a generalization, and is included in some definitions of sexism. Certainly what many posters are arguing here, that the fact that this woman initiated the exchange by throwing the first punch is irrelevant because she is a woman and her target is a man, THAT is clearly sexism.
I'm not saying what she deserved or didn't, though she should be charged with assault. I do agree about him having more to lose, though. But when someone is assaulting you, it can be hard to show restraint, and he made a split-second decision (which was a costly one).
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Not sure if serious
Unfortunately, he's 100% serious.
It's OK, she is a drunk 70 yr old child.
TimeEffect
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So what's the play by play?
Dude tries to force himself closer to the bar, physically pushing up against the woman who refuses to move?
Then she raises a fist, they both try to restrain each other, groin kick, racial slur, punch to the face? Is that the order of things?
Dude tries to force himself closer to the bar, physically pushing up against the woman who refuses to move?
Then she raises a fist, they both try to restrain each other, groin kick, racial slur, punch to the face? Is that the order of things?
No idea if she did. May have been an accident on his part. No way to know. She did hit him right after that so maybe that is what triggered it.
Miles Quaritch
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Nope. Nope, nope, nope.
He doesn't even notice her until after she turns and gets his attention and even then he just ignores her as he's trying to get to the bar.
You're seeing what you want to see, not what's actually happening.
In fact, he hardly seems to be touching her after the girl to his left leaves the shot.
I'm shocked. Positively shocked.
super-heated plasma
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I've been accidentally hit in the face by my son before a few times. That didn't feel good. An adult female can produce a pretty powerful punch if wanted, especially when compared to a kid.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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And it's becoming sad.
Even if he was pushing her (which is not what it appears on camera) it doesn't require a response that includes putting your forearm on someone's chest with a fist clinched threatening them, throwing racial slurs, kneeing them in the groin, and throwing a punch.
I wish your valiant efforts wouldn't fall upon blind eyes, deaf ears, and futile brains.
Neffarias_Bredd
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Based on the video how could you ever consider that battery??
Now that I'm on the computer as opposed to the phone and watch bigger and slower, anyone else notice that she walks up already holding a drink, then sets it down before raising her fist?
I thought that and the ostrich neck move at the start were funny.
I'm looking at this without gender as a part of it, and this is a non-story...One person threw a weak punch first, one person threw a strong punch after. Any incidental pushing doesn't seem strong enough to be perceived as assault or escalation.
I thought that and the ostrich neck move at the start were funny.
I'm looking at this without gender as a part of it, and this is a non-story...One person threw a weak punch first, one person threw a strong punch after. Any incidental pushing doesn't seem strong enough to be perceived as assault or escalation.
Miles Quaritch
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Eh, you can't force people to see or accept the truth if they don't want to believe it.
The same as anti vaxxers refusing to believe data that vaccines aren't dangerous.
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Battery? lol
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