Trying to guess the next major PS4 firmware update...

these are the things that bug me the most.

-let me remove shitty app icons I never use from the recent play list or make two lists one for apps and games, show the 5 recent and have a library icon at the end.
-fix the fucking store. having to log out or restart the console so the store will load is some bullshit.
-youre media player is garbage sony.
-add smoother stepping to the fan speed. it sucks when a game is tickling the next fan speed up and you hear that already loud fan speeding up and down.




that's not a console issue its a lack of money in the network issue which is not going away unless sony wins the lotto. oddly download speeds have been better for me lately when they were extremely bad before. however I still get random drops much more often than my xbox does.



I think the frequency of the sony updates is fine the problem is they rarely do anything that the player will notice. That's the reason people want more of them, theyre hoping one will finally add something to the system.


For many people the downloads are fast in rest mode but cripplingly slow when fully powered on. That has to be a console-side issue.
 
- Wishlist feature in PS Store.
- PS1 Support
- Make the startup beep optional
- Have it actually recognize the Vita as a Vita, don't tell me the device is unsupported!
- Let me use whatever USB joypad
 
I saw the thread title and knew what the first couple of answers would be in this thread.

on topic: I'd wish for a less jankier store...
 
these are the things that bug me the most.

-let me remove shitty app icons I never use from the recent play list or make two lists one for apps and games, show the 5 recent and have a library icon at the end.
-fix the fucking store. having to log out or restart the console so the store will load is some bullshit.
-youre media player is garbage sony.
-add smoother stepping to the fan speed. it sucks when a game is tickling the next fan speed up and you hear that already loud fan speeding up and down.




that's not a console issue its a lack of money in the network issue which is not going away unless sony wins the lotto. oddly download speeds have been better for me lately when they were extremely bad before. however I still get random drops much more often than my xbox does.



I think the frequency of the sony updates is fine the problem is they rarely do anything that the player will notice. That's the reason people want more of them, theyre hoping one will finally add something to the system.

It sucks a bit that such players do not even think about those funny stability updates preventing security breaches, crashes, fixing SDK issues so that your favourite develope does not have to spend extra weeks if not months to work around those issues in s reliable way or rely on post launch patches.
 
The next major thing that NEEDS to happen is the ability to add storage and not merely replace it; the fact that the competition has been for it since day one and Sony hasn't budged irks me. There is NO GOOD REASON why Sony needs to be lagging behind its competitors when it comes to storage.

They have the opportunity, the unique opportunity, to offer what the competition offers and then some with their console, but they choose not to do it.

My biggest wish right now is that this dream becomes a reality by the time Uncharted 4 comes out.

What is the good reason for not offering internal HDD updates?
 
The problem was, most of those updates never added much (mostly they were everybody's favorite stability updates).

Do people roam Windows related forums with the same tired jokes used over and over every Patch Tuesday or whenever they ship other out of band fix releases?
 
That's revisionist history and not a fact.
Wrong.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hard-drive/

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/11/ni...torage-options-in-the-strangest-way-possible/

Both competitors were forward thinking from the start.
You might as well say "the Xbox 1 NEEDS the ability to replace internal harddrives, the fact that the competition has been for it since day 1 irks me. There is NO GOOD REASON..."

Etc., etc. In other words, there are two ways of doing it. Some (like me) prefer internal, some (like you) prefer external. Both have advantages and disadvantages. Acting like one side has it over on the other side is kind of silly.

Besides, Sony seems to firmly believe in limiting the number of 'ins' to being hacked - limiting usb activity, proprietary storage with the vita, etc. So I doubt it's likely they'll add being able to store games on external. There are valid reasons to not allow external, even if the competition does.
Except external storage has a clear advantage!

1. You can choose your drive and enclosure.

2. You are not limited by physical size constraints.

3. You don't have to settle with shitty seagate disks in order to "max out" the console.

4. External is elegant, specially considering the fact that its meant to be that way. An adapter tumor on the top or a cable connected to an outside wannabe external setup is very un-elegant.

5. You actually ADD to your storage!

Besides, Sony is in a unique position to be an AND company, all they have to do is be consumer friendly about it. Fears of hacking as a valid reason to ignore consumer friendliness speaks poorly on them.

Seriously, why wouldn't you want them to support replacing internal storage AND adding storage? They can do, they can totally meet and exceed the console competition in regards to storage and make a very consumer friendly option in doing so, but they haven't yet...

So I am hoping they do for their next major feature for their next update. It's not that far fetched of a request, specially if the competittion's been doing it since 2012. I truly want this to happen, would make the PS4 an even more attractive console to some of us.
 
After backwards compatibility got MS such good press, I'd be shocked if we don't see PS Classics make their way into one of the next couple of updates, hopefully with disc support too.

While I personally find upgrading the internal drive far superior, I also expect external storage support at some point too. Like has been said, Nintendo and MS already allow it, and it's inclusion would give the PS4 the best of both worlds.

Mostly I want folders though. As much as I like the look and functionality of the UI, finding anything that's not been used for a while is bloody annoying.

Other than that, a bit more customisation would be nice and easy for them to implement.
 
External HDD wouldn't be useful for a lot of people because Sony had the brilliant idea of restricting USB slots to only two on the front, and giving the DS4 a really short battery life.

What this means is that people with wireless headsets are inconvinienced, because who's going to give up the essential USB slot at the front that's basically meant for charging your DS4?
 
After backwards compatibility got MS such good press, I'd be shocked if we don't see PS Classics make their way into one of the next couple of updates, hopefully with disc support too.

While I personally find upgrading the internal drive far superior, I also expect external storage support at some point too. Like has been said, Nintendo and MS already allow it, and it's inclusion would give the PS4 the best of both worlds.

Mostly I want folders though. As much as I like the look and functionality of the UI, finding anything that's not been used for a while is bloody annoying.

Other than that, a bit more customisation would be nice and easy for them to implement.
Honest question: can the PS4's optical drive even read CDs? I've heard mixed things. I know at the very least, I would love to play my digital PSP and PS1 games on the console; would be great don't you think?
Pre-launch "yes" answer from Penello is irrelevant, Xbox One did not support external HDDs before June 2014. You said it did since day 1.

http://news.xbox.com/2014/05/xbox-one-june-features-preview
Never did I mention the Xbox in that post, I said the competition has been for it day one, and Wii U, this gen's first console, certainly supported it on launch day; it was also planned and thought for for the Xbox One prior to launch (as in that link and various other reports), though it did miss the launch wilndow.
 
Honest question: can the PS4's optical drive even read CDs? I've heard mixed things.

No idea, can't think why it wouldn't be able to though, certainly in the context of possible firmware updates at least.

Mostly I want to be able to just use PS2 games, since I still have to have the system hooked up to my TV, and it'd be nice to be able to finally retire the old girl to storage.
 
Wrong.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hard-drive/

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/11/ni...torage-options-in-the-strangest-way-possible/

Both competitors were forward thinking from the start.

Except external storage has a clear advantage!

1. You can choose your drive and enclosure.

2. You are not limited by physical size constraints.

3. You don't have to settle with shitty seagate disks in order to "max out" the console.

4. External is elegant, specially considering the fact that its meant to be that way. An adapter tumor on the top or a cable connected to an outside wannabe external setup is very un-elegant.

5. You actually ADD to your storage!

Besides, Sony is in a unique position to be an AND company, all they have to do is be consumer friendly about it. Fears of hacking as a valid reason to ignore consumer friendliness speaks poorly on them.

Seriously, why wouldn't you want them to support replacing internal storage AND adding storage? They can do, they can totally meet and exceed the console competition in regards to storage and make a very consumer friendly option in doing so, but they haven't yet...

So I am hoping they do for their next major feature for their next update. It's not that far fetched of a request, specially if the competittion's been doing it since 2012. I truly want this to happen, would make the PS4 an even more attractive console to some of us.

Fair enough, do I expect you to be in every Xbox One firmware update threads making a case for MS to also be an AND company as well and allow people to replace the internal HDD though?
 
External HDD wouldn't be useful for a lot of people because Sony had the brilliant idea of restricting USB slots to only two on the front, and giving the DS4 a really short battery life.

What this means is that people with wireless headsets are inconvinienced, because who's going to give up the essential USB slot at the front that's basically meant for charging your DS4?

It puzzles me that Sony has repeatedly refused to put at least one rear USB on their consoles...

But with the design of the PS4, they could release a seamless power hub that hugs along the edge with ports on the side if they wanted to. Band-aid fix, but it would sure as hell make for a cleaner setup than a regular powered hub at any rate.
 
It could still use some seriously beefed-up codec/container support.

Also, PS1/PS2 disc backwards compatibility would be awfully nice. Maybe with a CDDB/Gracenote-esque database to display on your status the game/movie you're playing even if it's a PS1/PS2 disc or a DVD.

Having the video player decoupled as it's own app (i.e. not directly built into the OS) should mean they can update codecs without a firmware update, but we'll see.

I just don't see how they can be implemented well. Especially, the PS1 games.

IIRC, there was talk about doing it with save states (i.e. if this variable equals something, that means they beat this boss so give them this achievement).


And on the thread topic, it looks like, so far, there's been a spring update and a fall update every year. If you're going to continue that cadence, you'd want to do it around September/early October, as you don't want to risk screwing up the firmware and messing up consoles too close to the holidays. As far as features, I can't think of any major ones I see them implementing. Saving profiles for custom button mapping seems easy enough to do, and adding support for external hard drives could happen, but they obviously don't consider that a priority. I do think that PS1/2 support is coming eventually, but I think they'd want to announce that at a press conference instead on just as part of the firmware update blog posts. So unless they announce it at TGS (which is possible, as that's where they announced themes IIRC), they'll probably hold that announcement for PSX and the update for next spring.
 
The next major thing that NEEDS to happen is the ability to add storage and not merely replace it; the fact that the competition has been for it since day one and Sony hasn't budged irks me. There is NO GOOD REASON why Sony needs to be lagging behind its competitors when it comes to storage.

They have the opportunity, the unique opportunity, to offer what the competition offers and then some with their console, but they choose not to do it.

My biggest wish right now is that this dream becomes a reality by the time Uncharted 4 comes out.

Wow you are really hung up on this memory thing. Seen so many posts from you about it. If external storage is really your hold up for buying a ps4 and not just a "talking point" then you have no worries since there's not many games you want to play on ps4 any way and storage shouldn't be an issue. 500GB should be plenty for you.
 
I've pretty much given up on the features I want;

1. Full support for Harmony remotes
2. Folders. Or at least a way for me to manually sort my games.

Should be easy to do. Since it hasn't been done yet must mean it won't ever happen. I know Sony isn't primarily a software company, but even they would have been able to do this by now.

Stability updates is the best we can hope for I guess.
 
PS1/PS2 classics
Folders
More colored flow themes
External HDD support
Statics for how long you play every game. Like the 3DS has and steam.


That's what I can think of right now.
 
PS1/PS2 classics
Folders
More colored flow themes
External HDD support
Statics for how long you play every game. Like the 3DS has and steam.


That's what I can think of right now.

I know they won't (because of PS Now), but if they could do PS3 emulation would you want that too? This is also a pipe dream, but what about PSP/PS Vita emulation?
 
I know they won't (because of PS Now), but if they could do PS3 emulation would you want that too? This is also a pipe dream, but what about PSP/PS Vita emulation?

Streaming games as small as PS1 and PS2 games is an enormous waste of bandwidth. Streaming them is basically an unfeasible solution. Local emulation is the only thing that makes sense, which is probably why there are no PS1 or PS2 games on PS Now.

Also, this seems like a good of a place as any to ask:

Is there any way right now to clean up your home screen applications? Because it is terrible and drives me insane. Apps are organized by order in which they were installed, or recently used, or something really stupid. So my home screen is a completely unorganized timeline of apps and games mixed in with no rhyme or reason.

Is there seriously no way to, at the very least, group it so all my games are together on the home screen instead of separated by Video or PlayStation Music and other stuff?

I really, really hate it.

Right now it's like

What's New > Video > Game > Music > PS Now > Game > Game > Photo > Game > Library

And this is really stupid. Why is it like this. Who thought this maximizes functionality. Why would cutting up and separating all your installed games by system apps seem like a reasonable design.

It is not. It makes me want to die.
 
Streaming games as small as PS1 and PS2 games is an enormous waste of bandwidth. Streaming them is basically an unfeasible solution. Local emulation is the only thing that makes sense, which is probably why there are no PS1 or PS2 games on PS Now.

I think you misunderstood what I said. I was saying if we ever do get local PS1/PS2 downloads, we likely won't also get local PS3 downloads, as it could risk cannibalizing PS Now.
 
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I highly doubt that sony would put any effort into it's OS besides patching exploits. If there's exploits, it'll get worked on and patched within days. Fans telling what they would like to improve on? "We hear ya" and goes back to not caring nor bother trying to improving it.
 
External HDD would be great. Upgrading the internal is a nice option, but I want to be able to choose to use external if I want. Especially since prices are similar either way, could keep my 500GB internal and add a 2TB external for like $100.
 
For those interested, here are the histories of the various system firmwares for Sony consoles/handhelds (from Wikipedia):

PSP
PS3
PSV
PS4

Edit 7/24/15- Huh. Wikipedia seems to have erased all evidence of firmware history for those systems.
 
I'd like to think that Microsoft's BC announcement at E3 will put some pressure on Sony to include PS1 and PS2 emulation on the PS4, both digitally and physically. There's probably a lot of money to be made in bringing over that catalogue of PS1/PS2 Classics on PSN to their current-gen console, so whatever engineering hassle is involved in making it happen, it'll be worth it in the long term.
 
having to suspend a game to use Spotify and the MediaPlayer is weak. it doesn't make sense when the old MusicUnlimited and the USB player had better usability and didn't suspend games.
 
having to suspend a game to use Spotify and the MediaPlayer is weak. it doesn't make sense when the old MusicUnlimited and the USB player had better usability and didn't suspend games.

Yeah, that's really annoying. I can't tell you how many times I started a game and, on a whim, decided I'd rather have Spotify playing in the background. I decide against it every time, because I don't want to quit out of what I am playing.
 
I just want Sony to add external hdd support, i'm going 100% digital since ps4 were released, put an 1tb sshd in it when i bought it, its full since long ago, and i hate to delete an redownload etc.

Make it happen Sony!!!

Dont wanna go to the darkside [xbone]
 
Please, please, please let me disable Trophy screenshots this time, Sony.

what? why? they take up a tiny smidge of space.

having to suspend a game to use Spotify and the MediaPlayer is weak. it doesn't make sense when the old MusicUnlimited and the USB player had better usability and didn't suspend games.
PS button long-press menu?
 
I know they won't (because of PS Now), but if they could do PS3 emulation would you want that too? This is also a pipe dream, but what about PSP/PS Vita emulation?

Yes, of course. If they got PS3 emulation on PS4 I would gladly take it, same with PSP and Vita. Being able to play all games I want on one console would really be a dream come true.
 
There was that Eurogamer article last year about such a thing. If I recall, Trophies would somehow be added. Don't know how that would work and who would take the time to do so.

They added trophies to Final Fantasy I'm sure they can to the rest. At 40 dollars a pop.
 
It's more than a little ridiculous that we're likely to get to the PS4's 2nd birthday without folders or any decent way of organising your content.

I mean, this is operating systems 101, and they botched it so badly. Give us folders or saveable filters with enough metadata to make them worthwhile. What we have now in the library is utterly pathetic.
 
I think it would be great if they diverted all resources to figuring out how to update the NA store at midnight

Barring that, they could create a massive "Manhattan Project"-like team to divine the secrets of PS1/PS2 emulation.
 
Can't see it, USB is as secure as a chocolate teapot.

No way game data is going over it.

I'm pretty sure XB1 does that now. If PS4 did it, I'd install my disc based games to the external drive, reserving the internal drive for downloadable games only.
 
Yay! It did end up coming out in September (final day, but...). So, if the pattern I think I found is correct, we won't get the next major update (3.50?) until February 2016. Could we possibly get hints about its contents at PSX?
 
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