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[Rembrandt]

Disagree. Tidal ran a scuzzy social media campaign, trumpeted a competitive advantage (quality!) that no one has really cared much about since MP3s came along, did NOT pay a higher percentage to artists and had no ad supported free tier. it just failed to compel.

link me. everything I've read says otherwise. and idk why anyone would care about their twitter campaign; that's on people for making weird assumptions just because celebrities changed their avi. most people on my timeline thought it was for some new music, not anything charity wise. and the quality wasn't the only thing they were showing off.

it was the only time i've seen people come out and talk about how rich the CEO of the company was in response to higher artist payouts.

 

[Trey]

fucking loool

 

[Supermanisdead]

white media

Exactly what I was talking about earlier. The white media is so desperate to constantly paint black artists as ANGRY when Taylor Swift is being the hypocritical shady one here. Tweeting that she shouldn't "put women against each other" when her own goddamn video is about her feud with another woman. Posting condescending things like "If I win, you can join me on stage "

Disgusting and transparent. And of course Taylor Swift won't say a thing about these disgusting attitudes towards Nicki even though she "really loves her"

 

[Van Owen]

Only 2 of the 5 videos nominated were by white musicians too. Goddamn white media.

 

[Bloodrage]

lol Taylor Swift. So bad.

 

[Trojita]

Beyoncé – “7/11″
Ed Sheeran – “Thinking Out Loud”
Taylor Swift ft. Kendrick Lamar – “Bad Blood”
Mark Ronson ft. Bruno Mars – “Uptown Funk”
Kendrick Lamar – “Alright”

There's only one video here that describes what Ms. Minaj is ranting about.. who else would she be talking about? Lmao.

Bruno Mars

 

[Atlantis]

Two vapid talentless puppets throwing a hissyfit nuanced issued via Twitter just seems to create the perfect storm of "who gives a shit?" for me.

Neither of the two are evenly remotely qualified to carry on a conversation about the fucking weather, let alone on body image, sexism in media, or any of the other half dozen or so of issues that this brings up.

They are two string puppets having a slap fight on stage while a million idiots erupt into applause because their outfits are shiny and the stage has bright lights.

I suspect a vicious cycle is at play, and I'm not interested in furthering it.

 

[StoopKid]

fuck taylor swift and her shitty ass music. Sick of this garbage on radio. Lyrics written by a 10 year old.

Not a swift fan but all her shit is better than beez in the trap.

 

[Blobbers]

What kind of a stupid name is Taylor, anyway? Sounds like a detergent brand.

 

[jrush64]

Man stuff like this is so funny to watch.

 

[THRILLH0]

Who are these white media and what can we do about them?

 

[Rembrandt]

Not a swift fan but all her shit is better than beez in the trap.

Her Monster verse is better than anything Taylor's done. What's your point?

 

[Van Owen]

Exactly what I was talking about earlier. The white media is so desperate to constantly paint black artists as ANGRY when Taylor Swift is being the hypocritical shady one here. Tweeting that she shouldn't "put women against each other" when her own goddamn video is about her feud with another woman. Posting condescending things like "If I win, you can join me on stage "

Disgusting and transparent. And of course Taylor Swift won't say a thing about these disgusting attitudes towards Nicki even though she "really loves her"

All after Taylor invited Nicki to perform Super Bass to a sold out arena a couple years ago.

 

[reKon]

What kind of a stupid name is Taylor, anyway? Sounds like a detergent brand.

what are you talking about?

taylor isn't that uncommon of a name... are you from the US?

 

[jelly]

Who are these white media and what can we do about them?

Nothing, already blank.

 

[Partition]

Taylor has been a racist sympathizer for a long time now, when she ignores the hard questions does it really shock anyone?

 

[NintendoRev]

They're both trash as far as music is concerned so.. eh.

 

[kitchenmotors]

when azealia banks wakes up and gets in on this

YES

 

[Oppo]

link me. everything I've read says otherwise. and idk why anyone would care about their twitter campaign; that's on people for making weird assumptions just because celebrities changed their avi. most people on my timeline thought it was for some new music, not anything charity wise. and the quality wasn't the only thing they were showing off.

it was the only time i've seen people come out and talk about how rich the CEO of the company was in response to higher artist payouts.

they (Tidal) calculate their royalty rate based on the lack of a free offering vs Spotify (the "five times as much" line). but it's irrelevant; the service doesnt pay the artists. it pays the labels. so the whole frame is a big stupid canard.

https://medium.com/cuepoint/it-s-a-trap-tidal-and-the-common-fallacy-of-music-royalties-db479441ad58

anyways more than half the major artist partners on Tidal are white so I don't really see that point (Minaj's point) there either. you think Chris Martin and Jack White and Daft Punk are being racially maligned?

to be clear i could not care less about Swift's twitterfight, i was just addressing the specific Minaj tweet originally

 

[Satch]

Taylor has been a racist sympathizer for a long time now, when she ignores the hard questions does it really shock anyone?

these pictures are very eye opening... especially the first one. yikes!

 

[Alienous]

Exactly what I was talking about earlier. The white media is so desperate to constantly paint black artists as ANGRY when Taylor Swift is being the hypocritical shady one here. Tweeting that she shouldn't "put women against each other" when her own goddamn video is about her feud with another woman. Posting condescending things like "If I win, you can join me on stage "

Disgusting and transparent. And of course Taylor Swift won't say a thing about these disgusting attitudes towards Nicki even though she "really loves her"

Really?

If we're using the subject matter explored in music videos to determine if 'artists' (and I use that term as lightly as possible) get to verbalize a viewpoint then Nicki Minaj should be disqualified. Videos like 'Anaconda' are nothing more than a ridiculous objectification of women, too ridiculous to even be a parody. You've revoked your say on women, skinny or fat.

But I have a better question. Why the fuck am I even entertaining this hullabaloo Nicki/Taylor feud shit? I have no idea.

 

[Ashhong]

winner

 

[twobear]

Taylor has been a racist sympathizer for a long time now, when she ignores the hard questions does it really shock anyone?

that first picture, omg

 

[PhoenixDark]

Exactly what I was talking about earlier. The white media is so desperate to constantly paint black artists as ANGRY when Taylor Swift is being the hypocritical shady one here. Tweeting that she shouldn't "put women against each other" when her own goddamn video is about her feud with another woman. Posting condescending things like "If I win, you can join me on stage "

Disgusting and transparent. And of course Taylor Swift won't say a thing about these disgusting attitudes towards Nicki even though she "really loves her"

Seriously?

Nicki Minaj is angry, first off; point that out is not a perpetuation of "angry black woman" stereotypes. And let's not pretend like only black artists throw fits about awards or tours or whatever and get lampooned by the media. Iggy Azalea comes to mind. Stop playing the race card, shit is nearly as pathetic as Nicki's anger over an awards snub.

Gotta respect Taylor's passive aggressive troll game. Take the L and move on.

 

[Azalean]

Nicki, just stahp. Stop trying to use race and body image as a scapegoat reason as to why your shitty video wasn't nominated. If you haven't noticed Nicki, 7/11 by Beyonce is nominated for Video of the Year and has features women of color with "fuller" bodies. So sit down, take that seat, and know your role.

Of course this clown has to weigh her irrelevant ass opinions on this matter.

 

[Rembrandt]

they (Tidal) calculate their royalty rate based on the lack of a free offering vs Spotify (the "five times as much" line). but its irrelevant; the service doesnt oay the artists. it pays the labels. so the whole frame is a big stupid canard.

https://medium.com/cuepoint/it-s-a-trap-tidal-and-the-common-fallacy-of-music-royalties-db479441ad58

anyways more than half the major artist partners on Tidal are white so I don't really see that point (Minaj's point) there either. you think Chris Martin and Jack White and Daft Punk are being racially maligned?

Of course they are because the labels own the right to the artist's music. Nobody should have expected them to pay the artist directly. That doesn't make sense. But are they offering high payouts per play than Spotify (which is partially owned by labels and pays the label like every other streaming service)? If so, then it's not a "big stupid canard."

and they're not the main spokesperson of the service nor are they majority owners to my knowledge, so that point is irrelevant.

 

[Black Republican]

Tinashe better than both anyways

 

[Frecklestein]

This is how world war 3 begins

 

[twobear]

So sit down, take that seat, and know your role.

hm...would you describe yourself as 'a runaway slave master'?

 

[Ashhong]

Seriously?

Nicki Minaj is angry, first off; point that out is not a perpetuation of "angry black woman" stereotypes. And let's not pretend like only black artists throw fits about awards or tours or whatever and get lampooned by the media. Iggy Azalea comes to mind. Stop playing the race card, shit is nearly as pathetic as Nicki's anger over an awards snub.

Gotta respect Taylor's passive aggressive troll game. Take the L and move on.

Truly that poster was joking right?

 

[Cheat Code]

This is how it happened.

This is how PopGAF died.

 

[NintendoRev]

when azealia banks wakes up and gets in on this

That'l be fun for a laugh. She's become a parody of herself with the amount of whining she does, especially after her "I hate fat white americans" comment.

 

[Crumpet Trumpet]

White media...is over. It's time to create #OurOwnMedia.....

 

[Floridian]

Tinashe better than both anyways

And she didn't even get any nominations. Poor girl.

 

[Never Forever]

Taylor should just embrace being a bitch, it would be so much fun

 

[Oppo]

Of course they are because the labels own the right to the artist's music. Nobody should have expected them to pay the artist directly. That doesn't make sense. But are they offering high payouts per play than Spotify (which is partially owned by labels and pays the label like every other streaming service)? If so, then it's not a "big stupid canard."

and they're not the main spokesperson of the service nor are they majority owners to my knowledge, so that point is irrelevant.

well its your turn to link me, since i've never seen anything other than lip service about that royalty rate from Tidal. there is a legally defined streaming rate you know.

 

[THRILLH0]

Why is Taylor Swift obligated to call out the media's reaction to Nicki's overreaction to her nomonation?

 

[TheGraykid]

So much of social justice right now is people acting like dicks and essentially being able to sidestep any real criticism because they are seen as "punching upwards" or working towards a greater good. Right now shit like this leaves such a bad taste in my mouth that even though I agree with a bunch of stuff Nicki minaj is saying I just feel distain towards everyone.

 

[Alienous]

hm...would you describe yourself as 'a runaway slave master'?

What is a runaway slave master anyway?

Someone who foregoes owning slaves?

 

[Ashhong]

and they're not the main spokesperson of the service nor are they majority owners to my knowledge, so that point is irrelevant.

Is Nicki?

 

[StoopKid]

Her Monster verse is better than anything Taylor's done. What's your point?

That beez in the trap is a horrible song and Taylor had never done anything that bad.

 

[Aequitas]

Nicki's twitter shows to be more illuminating about her outlook on the situation.

Nicki is illuminati confirm.

 

[Zekes!]

Nas won

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Of course they are because the labels own the right to the artist's music. Nobody should have expected them to pay the artist directly. That doesn't make sense. But are they offering high payouts per play than Spotify (which is partially owned by labels and pays the label like every other streaming service)? If so, then it's not a "big stupid canard."

and they're not the main spokesperson of the service nor are they majority owners to my knowledge, so that point is irrelevant.

Higher pay out to the label means very little.

Tidal was advertised as rich people wanting to be richer and every one saw that. Next time don't have announcements of wealthy people signing some document that basically says, "GIVE US MORE MONEY". It's the rich wanting to be richer and in this climate you can't fault almost every one for laughing at them. Reminds me of the episode of South Park where Diddy couldn't afford to buy his son an island.

 

[Fathom]

Taylor has been a racist sympathizer for a long time now, when she ignores the hard questions does it really shock anyone?

Taking photos with people who might be racist (no idea who the guy is and I didn't know Iggy was supposed to be one) does not mean she's sympathizing with them.

 

[Chiggs]

I personally wouldn't want to get on Swift's shit list. I have no doubt she will be running companies one day.

Her business sense and opportunism far exceed her musical abilities.

 

[Rembrandt]

well its your turn to link me, since i've never seen anything other than lip service about that royalty rate from Tidal. there is a legally defined streaming rate you know.

Posted on Digital Music News, the data makes it clear that TIDAL averages almost double the royalty payout to Spotify. Spotify claims to pay an average of .72 cents (that’s $0.0072) per stream to rights owners; based on the numbers presented here, TIDAL’s average payout to the label was about 1.2 cents ($0.012). This number comes from taking the average Label Share Net and dividing it by the average Unit Price (bottom of the chart). Note that TIDAL seems to earn an average of $0.014 per stream, but that’s before the company takes their cut.

TL;DR; TIDAL pays an indie label an unweighted average of 1.2 cents per stream, whereas the same label would earn .72 cents per stream on Spotify. It’s literally fractions of a cent, but if Office Space taught us anything, fractions of a cent can really add up.

As shown by Information is Beautiful’s updated-for-2015 visualization of the subject, signed artists make .0019 cents per stream on Pandora and .0011 cents per Spotify stream. The worst payout of all for musicians, however, comes from Youtube, which pays out about .0003 per play. An artist signed to a record label would thus have to have their Youtube video played 4,200,000 times in order to earn the monthly U.S. minimum wage of $1,260.

So how much more does Tidal pay per stream, then? The service doles out .007 cents per — while it doesn’t sound like much of a difference to its competitors, a signed artist would only need to be streamed 180,000 times on the service to make the monthly minimum wage.

Higher pay out to the label means very little.

Tidal was advertised as rich people wanting to be richer and every one saw that. Next time don't have announcements of wealthy people signing some document that basically says, "GIVE US MORE MONEY". It's the rich wanting to be richer and in this climate you can't fault almost every one for laughing at them. Reminds me of the episode of South Park where Diddy couldn't afford to buy his son an island.

It makes a huge difference with streaming becoming the future of music. If one pays more to the label (which obviously gets distributed to the artist), that means the artist gets paid more. See my links before.

But it was also paying the most to artists (I think Apple may pay as much if not more, idk for sure, though), so it wouldn't make sense to ignore that point. People were hyped for Apple Music and that was rich people getting richer without championing things that would be beneficial to those that make the music we consume. They may have talked about it, idk. but the whole "rich getting richer" is a stupid argument.

 

[TheYoungHeroRises]

White media...is over. It's time to create #OurOwnMedia.....

That picture is so meme worthy LOL

 

[theusedversion]

So Nikki make a tweet about Taylor because she's jealous as fuck that she didn't get nominated for video of the year. The tweet seems pretty clear to be about Taylor. Then Nikki denies it and plays innocent. When Seacrest tweets out about the jab that Nikki just made to Taylor, Nikki turns it into a race thing about media reporting which she is wrong about in this specific situation but is actually right in general. Then she brings up Tidal and compares to Taylor. Seems like she has jealousy issues with Taylor. Do I have this right?

 

[botty]

white media :s