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So, Drake is being accused of using ghost writers. Fuckery inside.
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Black Republican
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hes mentioned those on occasion though, why i dont know lol
Cabbagehead
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He like dem strippers a lot..
He is a pop artist, but so are a lot of rappers. Still, time and time again, including in this topic, people call Drake "pop" to discredit his mark and current influence in hip-hop. Folks imply Drake's audience is completely comprised only of women(sometimes just white women if they're really upset), but we all know that's been an outright lie. Just look at those club Instagram videos posted.
There's nothing wrong with being considered a pop artist. Hell, GAF's favorite dick, Kanye West, is pop, a label which he readily embraces. That doesn't mean he doesn't or can't occupy both genres. Same goes for Drake.
Cabbagehead
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Personally i think that term has lost its meaning.
Is one pop because everyone is feeling it? or is one pop because of the content?
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Well he did present the grammy for best pop artist in '96.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekttWq_XDow
ps. I still don't think Pac was pop, by my metric standards at least.
Meek needs to enter witness protection.
I've been waiting for this gif for a week. God bless the internet.
The best thing about this clip is when Drake turns around he has a fully charged battery on the back of his shirt. Heh, charged up. He plans really well.
Ninja Scooter
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goddamn. This is going to be a lesson for future rappers on how the game has changed and how rap beefs work in this new social media world. People are gonna be too scared to start shit now, for fear of getting Meek'd.
is there a summary..? Who shot first..? Meek? And now the internet/world hates him?
If Pac and BIG weren't pop, no rapper ever has been or will be.
LOL FUCK, Charlemagne was right,Meek let Philly down lmao
Even the Eagles got Drake back lmao
LOL FUCK, Charlemagne was right,Meek let Philly down lmao
Cabbagehead
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Even the Eagles got Drake back lmao
Youtube link or it didnt happen....this sounds just waaaay to funny to be tru lol.
Nabs
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PhoenixDark
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I think it's moreso a lesson that if you're going to do it, you can't half ass it. Everything Drake has done has been cleverly calculated, and he picked a great beat. And just like Nas, Pac, and Hov he had a variety of quotables in his diss. I'm not comparing Back To Back to Ether, in fact I don't think Back To Back is a great diss. But there are like 3 lines in there that BITE. Whereas Meek came back with a diss so sonically unappealing and barely coherent that it became forgettable. At the end he has has a dope line about Diddy but then the diss ends. As I said earlier, it feels like a mixtape record.
Meek came up battling people in Philly, which is why I not only assumed Drake wouldn't directly diss him, but that Meek would respond with a bomb. I think a lot of people thought the same thing. Now it's pretty much over.
Another thing this tells me: Kendrick v Drake would have been very interesting. I think Kendrick would destroy Drake lyrically, and pick the right beat. But this week has shown Drake's dominance of the mainstream is probably something we've never seen in hip hop before. Dude could literally just call Kendrick short and clown his voice over a dope beat, landing no blows, and still be hailed king.
Even in church.
https://twitter.com/IamAkademiks/status/627893164272037888
https://twitter.com/IamAkademiks/status/627893164272037888
lmao, people gotta quit.
I really doubt that. Kendrick isn't Meek. Kendrick just did a song with Taylor Swift. If they had beef, it would depend solely on the bars and there's a good chance that Kendrick would take it. People underestimate Drake lyrically, but I don't think he could continuously hold his own with Kendrick.
Lmao, wow. This shit got crazy. 0-100 real quick, indeed.
Ninja Scooter
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Wow...just wow.
lol.... no. Kendrick is on a complete other level than Meek.
Also the reason why Meek is being clowned so much is because he started this stupid shit. Kendrick would also get a lot of flag if he started dumb shit and attacking people because they didnt retweet his album release lol.
Cabbagehead
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I was with you until the bolded. Let's not forget it wasn't too long ago that Drake had memes all over the net clowning him for his style and other things. I think while Back to Back isn't Ether, Takeover, or Hit 'Em Up, etc. those few lines you talking about are straight shanks to gut and delivered in such a way that makes them easily quotable. That coupled with the beat is why you have Back to Back doing so well.
PhoenixDark
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Of course Kendrick is on another level than Meek, or Drake for that matter. My point is that Drake has such control of the mainstream that I can't see anyone taking him out, regardless of skill. Drake was clearly scared to say shit to Kendrick, outside of some petty subliminals. Yet now it looks to me like even if Drake clearly lost, the mainstream would still give him the W.
Cabbagehead
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Na i don't think so really, Kendrick might not be on the level of Drake but i'm more then sure if he bring that control fire and bodied drake it would be an automatic W. Again after he released control and how that took off.
Of course Drake cant be "killed" by a beef or diss track.....Hit Em Up didnt kill Biggie, Ether didnt kill Jay-Z and so. Drake cant be killed because he has his audience, talent and can pump out popular music without issue. The best diss track wont change that. At this position you only can kill yourself. People often take say 50 destroyed Ja-Rules career...but at the end Ja Rule did it to himself because he thought he was invincible and started with the subliminals.
Kendrick wont attack Drake anytime soon - he has absolutely nothing to gain from it.
To be fair its always easier to get attention if you name multiple people in a track - see 50s How to Rob or like most Eminem freestyles.
Doesnt really matter though...if Kendrick felt that kind of energy against Drake he could come up with something sick as well. But Kendrick is more invested in his music instead of worrying about starting stupid beefs.
Roberto Duran
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Kendrick's newest album is about to go platinum and he rapped on Taylor Swift's track. Meek's first album just recently went gold. Kendrick is much, much more relevant than Robert Williams. Nobody is going to clown on Kendrick, he would never put out complete trash like Meek does.
PhoenixDark
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I don't mean "take out" in that sense. I mean outright win similar to Ether. Ultimately a lot of it would boil down to Drake and Kendrick stans siding with their guy, then there would be other groups. Mainstream, rap media, streets, etc. Maybe I'm being blinded due to how poorly Meek handled this, but I just don't see anyone touching Drake with the public right now.
Dude literally got exposed for using ghostwriters and no one is talking about it. DJs didn't get involved because they're scared, rap media didn't really jump in (despite the fact that Drake has pretty much ignored rap sites ever since his second album dropped), etc. It's amazing.
birthday-suit
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Are you kidding?
Did you see all the accolades to kill a butterfly got? Kendrick has people singing the hook to Alright in protest marches.
Meek came at Drake like he needed him and his help.
I think no matter the outcome if they had a battle, both rappers would be ok.
Kendrick would take the W in public opinion tho.
Did you see all the accolades to kill a butterfly got? Kendrick has people singing the hook to Alright in protest marches.
Meek came at Drake like he needed him and his help.
I think no matter the outcome if they had a battle, both rappers would be ok.
Kendrick would take the W in public opinion tho.
I think they way Meek screwed up made it more difficult for other mainstream rapper ( of this gen at least) to attempt something like this to Drake anytime soon. Whoever starts shit better have a very good case and everything planned out...because Drake will put a Disstrack that will get radio play and likely be in the iTunes Top 10 shortly after.
Before Meeks attempts there always was that feeling that Drake cant or wont be handle direct attacks from other peers on wax - so him claiming to be the Top Dog of his generation rubbed some people the wrong way.
Now with was he handled Meeks ass...he more or less cemented his spot at the Top - dont see anyone else relevant coming after him for a while.
I will be honest...i think every other Rapper would have handled this better than Meek did. Really dont know what he was hoping for...to be able to sell platinum on the fact that he exposed Aubrey ? lol
birthday-suit
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You know how you watch someone else get owned in real life so bad that you get a feeling in your stomach like you were the target? This was like that.
Supposedly DJ Drama leaked the ref tracks. There's a thread on lipstick alley.
Just some 12 year olds pretending they were around then.
W: Drake leveled up off a ham-handed attempt to shame him.
WWWWW: Quentin Miller is now a name known by a lot of people and he came away looking mad talented, gracious, and humble.
LLLL: Funk Flex for staying his lame self
LLLLLLLLLLLLLL^10: Meek Minaj for steering his career straight into the dirt over a retweet
Finally? He won that a while ago, notice how the people clowning him for being a cornball haven't done anything to impede his success.
I agree with PD, Drake coulda lost this outright, yet he still would've been awarded a W for his troubles.
I don't see a scenario where Meek even had a chance.
These people already liked Drake. Like, do you see the numbers this dude puts up? His popularity has steadily grown since he came in the game. People making memes about Drake will continue to do so but they will always be outnumbered by the amount of people who like him. He does platinum numbers, there are nowhere near a million memes about him. He been won.
Okay yeah he always did well but there was a lot of people beefing with him and that hasn't changed but I think this is a crucial shift in overall public perception because there has been a definitive "the public has spoken " moment and everyone is choosing to fuck with Drake. I mean come on a lot of his persona is being g aware of how his success is against so many peoples wishes but now the world is on his side. This whole thing was an international fiasco. I think his numbers. Even though they were good. Are about to level up
It is pretty funny seeing this thread for instance.
NeoGAF is usually ground zero for childish Drake hating.
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qizah
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Being popular doesn't mean you're a pop artist. Drake has a large audience, but I'd still consider him a rapper.
Kendrick and Drake are too different in terms of subject matter too. I like both for different reasons, don't really see why people have to compare artists all the time. They're both doing their own thing and are great at what they do.
I don't get rap feuds either, I think they're dumb. Meek got put in his place for being a dumbass.
Kendrick and Drake are too different in terms of subject matter too. I like both for different reasons, don't really see why people have to compare artists all the time. They're both doing their own thing and are great at what they do.
I don't get rap feuds either, I think they're dumb. Meek got put in his place for being a dumbass.
I think all you're seeing is how many people liked him. The public was given a reason to collectively pick one or the other. Surprise, mega popular rap star is still mega popular. His numbers will go up but they've always gone up. He was nowhere near his peak before this Meek shit, people were waiting on Views.
Agreed lol, people seem really thirsty for Drake vs. Kendrick for some reason. See it on other forums too.
To me, a mainstream rapper needs a really good reason to start a beef with someone. Like something they can't ignore. Otherwise, it's not worth it. Potentially bad for business.
We'll see
Ain't much to see fam. Views is going to do crazy numbers, I'm just saying it's not because of this beef.
hahaha, no way. I can think of 1 forum immediately that even with a large amount Drake stans are still overwhelemed by people that outright hate him.
some people are saying that Drake still gets an L for the ghostwriting on on those 4 tracks. I've thought about this and have determined that it's not really as big as a deal that people make it out to be (and at this point not many people care). Yes, it's sort of disappointing, but I think it's obvious that Drake write's most of his song, especially the ones that are actually have strong verses. You can't listen to a track like 6PM In New York and tell me that it was ghostwritten with all the personal details and references built in
Agreed. I do think the 10 Bands one was disappointing because it was so many bars. The other ones were barely anything though. A few hooks, a few catchy bars. Way overblown. Especially since proper writing credit had been given ever since the album release.
And the main one in question that supposedly started all this was R.I.C.O. Two things about it and Meek's story that don't make sense:
A) supposedly Meek heard this before the album. Despite claiming on Twitter that if he had known he wouldn't have included it on the album. From the beginning I've thought that this idea of Meek Mill suddenly turning into some hip-hop messiah, making it his life's work to eliminate "fakes" was total bullshit. There's way more to this than him simply being offended that Drake took someone else's bars.
B) I'm not sure if he ever said it explicitly, but Meek seemed to imply that he had heard Drake's verse on the reference. Which is patently false. Unless there's a second reference track out there, the one that Funk Flex leaked was not at all the same verse. It had the "girl of your dreams" line that Meek complained about and the Shaq at the free throw line, but it wasn't the same verse. Not even close.
The whole thing makes me think Meek is full of shit and I just wonder what's really going on between the two. I'm supposed to believe Meek blew up his relationship with a guy who's brought him on tour and helped sell both his albums over a few bars like that? I ain't buying that for a second tbh.
TrumanBurbank
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You forget Meek is a dumbass
This actually saddens me. This shit didn't fly back then. New days for Hip-Hop, I understand. The masses are rewriting the rules. Just sucks imo. If you claim King you should write all of your shit. Or it used to be like that. Like I said, things change. I still don't think that's hot tho.
Quentin gets his Ws until they hear his actual music.
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