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[Subpar Spatula]

I agree with that, he's improved. But he still has ways to go, and this shut down proved that again. He needs to meet with them, the founders of #BLM. They aren't some boogeywomen or something.

And if he can do something to shut the traps of the many people harassing black folks throughout social media because of this, that'd be great too.

Wasn't this an event he was asked to speak at for a certain length of time? He had to leave to go to his rally afterwards.

 

[Femmeworth]

That one woman was being insufferable. If what they had to say was so urgent they should have brought their own equipment instead of hijacking the rally's.

 

[benicillin]

I agree with that, he's improved. But he still has ways to go, and this shut down proved that again. He needs to meet with them, the founders of #BLM and other activists. They aren't some boogeywomen or something. His campaign won't die in flames for addressing primarily black crowds.

And if he can do something to shut the traps of the many people harassing black folks throughout social media because of this, that'd be great too.

Sanders campaign had nothing to do with this event or the people running it - he was a scheduled speaker, and he basically gave up his speaking slot to let them speak despite the event organizer being hesitant to give them the microphone. Then he had to run to his actual event and the event organizer shut it all down after he left.

 

[MHWilliams]

Looks like it worked out for Sanders.

Bernie Sanders came to Seattle on Saturday with plans to give two speeches.

The first didn’t happen. An appearance by the senator from Vermont at an event celebrating the anniversary of Social Security and Medicare was scuttled after protesters from a local Black Lives Matter chapter took over the stage.

Hours later, Sanders, who has been drawing bigger crowds than any other presidential contender, drew his largest yet: about 15,000 at the college basketball arena where the Washington Huskies play.

Aides said Sanders, who has emerged as the leading alternative to Hillary Rodham Clinton for the Democratic nomination, spoke to a full house of 12,000 inside the arena and to what police estimated to be an overflow of 3,000 people outside of it.

Saturday night's rally was the latest around the country where Sanders has filled arenas and convention halls. By contrast, Clinton's largest crowd, which her campaign estimated at 5,500, came at her formal kickoff in June in New York.

 

[thepotatoman]

I agree with that, he's improved. But he still has ways to go, and this shut down proved that again. He needs to meet with them, the founders of #BLM and other activists. They aren't some boogeywomen or something. His campaign won't die in flames if he were to address primarily black crowds every now and then, engage them.

And if he can do something to shut the traps of the many people harassing black folks throughout social media because of this, that'd be great too.

Well, if he's not meeting with BLM behind the scenes, or have any of their members on his team I'd guess it'd make more sense. Is there anything suggest this is the case?

It would explain why he sometimes makes mistakes like that #SayHerName thing.

I also don't know if his supporters were being a problem before the protest, but it probably would be good for him to call them off now.

 

[Arkeband]

Because Bernie's the only one who can fix the problem, because his followers sure won't, see this thread and social media in general as to why.

Like, a conspiracy theory? REALLY?

Why are Bernie Sanders followers being demonized like this? This is getting creepy.

 

[kess]

And if he can do something to shut the traps of the many people harassing black folks throughout social media because of this, that'd be great too.

I don't think Bernie can control his supporters any more than BLM can control theirs.

 

[shrek]

How stupid can they be? They're running the one candidate who would actually help them into the ground.

 

[gogosox82]

There's being annoying, and then there's being condescending and dismissive. The Sanders supporters I usually see tend to fall into the latter category. I wouldn't really call it surprising that people tend to have misgivings about a political figure if he or she tends to attract a whole lot of a certain kind of person they don't like. For what it's worth, the folks over on r/sandersforpresident seem to be much better about trying to talk to black folk about the issues, so it's not a total loss as of yet.

Like I said, you are always going to have those types of people but you can't let that dissuade you from supporting politicians when you agree with their politics/policy. Also, there maybe Bernie supports who are dicks about it, but you shouldn't blanket every Bernie supporter because a few bad apples just like these 3 blm members shouldn't represent the whole of the blm movement.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Looks like it worked out for Sanders.

Damn. Pretty impressive showing.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Looks like it worked out for Sanders.

Huh, good for him. Love to see the demos of that crowd though.

 

[Days like these...]

How stupid can they be? They're running the one candidate who would actually help them into the ground.

So much this. Why they don't realize it? Truly mind boggling.

 

[NervousXtian]

This isn't how you bring people to your cause. Bernie's the last guy they should be protesting right now.

 

[Wall]

Can I get a link to this plan? I haven't read it but it'd be nice to see.

Here is a link to an overview. As far as I can see he just outlined it in a speech.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/martin-omalley-criminal-justice-reform/

 

[DECK'ARD]

I agree with that, he's improved. But he still has ways to go, and this shut down proved that again. He needs to meet with them, the founders of #BLM and other activists. They aren't some boogeywomen or something. His campaign won't die in flames if he were to address primarily black crowds every now and then, engage them.

And if he can do something to shut the traps of the many people harassing black folks throughout social media because of this, that'd be great too.

Again, he gave this speech to the National Urban League a little over a week ago:

https://berniesanders.com/statement-of-senator-bernard-sanders-to-the-national-urban-league/

That's exactly what you said he should be doing and saying right?

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Here is a link to an overview. As far as I can see he just outlined it in a speech.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/martin-omalley-criminal-justice-reform/

Oh, so it's a campaign plan instead of an actual bill he want passed.

 

[RE_Player]

Absolutely embarrassing.

 

[not psycho]

Can I get a link to this plan? I haven't read it but it'd be nice to see.

http://martinomalley.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/OMalley-Criminal-Justice-Reform.pdf

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Again, he gave this speech to the National Urban League a little over a week ago:

https://berniesanders.com/statement-of-senator-bernard-sanders-to-the-national-urban-league/

That's exactly what you said he should be doing and saying right?

Yep, more of that (and more publicity when he does it) and this will all be over.

And again, actually meeting with the #BLM founders or other activists dealing with this problem in the grassroots/front lines would definitely help. He's not Hillary, the establishment vote isn't there. If he wants that part of the grassroots, that's just a start.

Bernie's will have to be the one who ends this, because he has the power. It's really not that difficult.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

So much this. Why they don't realize it? Truly mind boggling.

Why? Did he go to the hospital?

If he wants to be president, he needs to get a tougher skin. The current president has endured some shit. Flying the Confederate flag at his arrival. Constant attacks on his origin. Attacks on his family. On his religion.

And this 'fall in line, he deserves a pass' bs should stop. Every national campaign has each team fighting each other. We just witnessed a debate over who has the best way to defund planned parenthood. If he has the ability, let him take it. If he's good, he'll overcome it. It's not fitting to ask why other people aren't getting shat on. He's a politician. He needs to figure this out. It's worrying that he can't control this. Get +20 defense, Bernie.

'Boohoo, why isn't the woman with an unlikeable rating of 50% and constant attacks on Benghazi and emails getting more shitted on.' That's how we are evaluating this? She understands security. She'll be rolling out another 3am commercial, asking who do we want to answer the call about placement of security personnel at the mall.

 

[titiklabingapat]

'Boohoo, why isn't the woman with an unlikeable rating of 50% and constant attacks on Benghazi and emails getting more shitted on.' That's how we are evaluating this? She understands security. She'll be rolling out another 3am commercial, asking who do we want to answer the call about placement of security personnel at the mall.

To me it just shows how savvy Clinton has become imo. She now knows, now that she largely has Obama's campaign team, the power of optics.

 

[Merc_]

Like I said, you are always going to have those types of people but you can't let that dissuade you from supporting politicians when you agree with their politics/policy. Also, there maybe Bernie supports who are dicks about it, but you shouldn't blanket every Bernie supporter because a few bad apples just like these 3 blm members shouldn't represent the whole of the blm movement.

They shouldn't, but they are. Just look at this thread.

It also seem like a hell of a lot more than a few if twitter is anything to go by.

 

[royalan]

The point is focusing on poor "messaging" and talking up the campaign promises of a guy whose political record is built around policies of cracking down on crime that helped cause the murder of a black man by the police is a breathtaking case of prioritizing the trivial over the significant. It makes you look like a political lightweight.

From my end, it looks more like you should be embarrassed that such a politician has done more to address the questions and concerns of the #BLM movement than your more "with it" political fave.

By the way, you can't blame any one person and their policies for the unjust murders of black. To do so is to frame the problem as having originated in Baltimore when in reality it's a problem at every corner or American soil.

 

[mreddie]

I hope these people didn't think Sanders was a Republican candidate.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Bernie Sanders’ Campaign Adds Young Black Woman As New Public Face

Another step in the right direction, but still a diagonal one.

 

[moered6]

Why? Did he go to the hospital?

If he wants to be president, he needs to get a tougher skin. The current president has endured some shit. Flying the Confederate flag at his arrival. Constant attacks on his origin. Attacks on his family. On his religion.

And this 'fall in line, he deserves a pass' bs should stop. Every national campaign has each team fighting each other. We just witnessed a debate over who has the best way to defund planned parenthood. If he has the ability, let him take it. If he's good, he'll overcome it. It's not fitting to ask why other people aren't getting shat on. He's a politician. He needs to figure this out. It's worrying that he can't control this. Get +20 defense, Bernie.

'Boohoo, why isn't the woman with an unlikeable rating of 50% and constant attacks on Benghazi and emails getting more shitted on.' That's how we are evaluating this? She understands security. She'll be rolling out another 3am commercial, asking who do we want to answer the call about placement of security personnel at the mall.

this. poor Bernie my ass. he needs the black vote, he better get his shit together on this issue

 

[FiggyCal]

I hope these people didn't think Sanders was a Republican candidate.

Nah. They wouldn't make a mistake like that. Although with Lincol Chaffee running, we do have a republican, fiscal conservative running on the Democratic Party ticket. On their website they very clearly criticized progressives and liberals for not doing enough or even staying true to their message.

 

[curlyfriski]

From my end, it looks more like you should be embarrassed that such a politician has done more to address the questions and concerns of the #BLM movement than your more "with it" political fave.

By the way, you can't blame any one person and their policies for the unjust murders of black. To do so is to frame the problem as having originated in Baltimore when in reality it's a problem at every corner or American soil.

I think that the BLM movement should be embarrassed then, if they're actually mollified by O'Malley.

Also, look up the definition of "helped." It doesn't mean "sole cause of."

 

[Chie Satonaka]

MLK is synonymous with the civil rights movement and he achieved far more success than his contemporaries. Respectability does get you somewhere.

Martin Luther King's entire ideology has been whitewashed and hidden behind the "I Have A Dream" speech, which is one of the few racial concepts that doesn't make the majority population uncomfortable. They use him as a weapon and that speech to run "Mission Accomplished" victory laps. And as has been stated, he's also fucking dead, just like Malcolm.

I can't believe I'm in a thread where people are actually suggesting respectability politics serves any purpose whatsoever outside of beating black people down.

 

[Arkeband]

Bernie Sanders’ Campaign Adds Young Black Woman As New Public Face

Another step in the right direction, but still a diagonal one.

What does this even mean?

 

[royalan]

I think that the BLM movement should be embarrassed then, if they're actually mollified by O'Malley.

Also, look up the definition of "helped." It doesn't mean "sole cause of."

Who said anything about mollified? You're acting like BLM is out there stomping for O'Malley now. This isn't a game.

At the end of the day, BLM asked O'Malley for something very simple. He provided it, and it didn't kill his campaign. Don't make this out to be more complicated than it is because Bernie prefers to be stubborn.

 

[InsaneZero]

I cant tell if you are talking about Bernie supporters here or the BLM people.

I'm talking about the people that think shutting down somebody else's event by yelling at the people was justified because it's a form of communication while saying that he should've gotten better security to prevent people from talking to him and not realizing that these are mutually exclusive ideas. This is not an indictment against the BLM movement, but just those people.

When your reaction to somebody being an asshole is "well that person deserved it because they should've known better", you've already lost control of the plot.

 

[moered6]

MLK is synonymous with the civil rights movement and he achieved far more success than his contemporaries. Respectability does get you somewhere.

what a load of crap.

 

[Condom]

Bernie Sanders’ Campaign Adds Young Black Woman As New Public Face

Another step in the right direction, but still a diagonal one.

Again, you need your own candidate. If you think Sanders can ever satisfy you then you are mistaken. Sanders is not a BLM PR campaign candidate.

Sander's responses are actually in line with Socialist ideology that racism is a fight fought between parts of the proletariat, with the elite benefiting from it.

 

[Mix Master]

Again, you need your own candidate. If you think Sanders can ever satisfy you then you are mistaken. Sanders is not a BLM PR campaign candidate.

Sander's responses are actually in line with Socialist ideology that racism is a fight fought between parts of the proletariat, with the elite benefiting from it.

Agree on this

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Yeah, about six feet under.

Ding ding ding.

 

[Indicate]

Yep, more of that (and more publicity when he does it) and this will all be over.

And again, actually meeting with the #BLM founders or other activists dealing with this problem in the grassroots/front lines would definitely help. He's not Hillary, the establishment vote isn't there. If he wants that part of the grassroots, that's just a start.

Bernie's will have to be the one who ends this, because he has the power. It's really not that difficult.

He's been meeting with activists. He even added one to his team, Symone Sanders, who spoke today at the large Seattle rally.

Before a crowd of more than 12,000 at the Alaska Airlines Arena on the campus of the University Of Washington, a new public face for the Sanders campaign appeared. Symone Sanders, a volunteer organizer with the D.C.-based Coalition for Juvenile Justice, was announced as the new national press secretary of Sanders’ campaign and was tasked with introducing the 73-year-old senator.
Symone Sanders is a young, black, criminal justice advocate and supporter of the Black Lives Matter movement. She’s also a progressive political activist right out of the Sanders mold: Her last job was at Ralph Nader’s Public Citizen. In an interview, Symone Sanders said she first connected with the senator about three weeks ago, offering him advice on how to better understand the message of Black Lives Matter activists in an hour-long chat

As for the Seattle protest, Symone Sanders said, “Do I think everyone in the movement agrees with the way the protesters commanded the stage today? No. Am I going to condemn the protesters for standing up and expressing themselves? No. Because their voices matter.”

Symone addressing the crowd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXbmwqCMRAY&feature=youtu.be

Edit: Already posted

 

[curlyfriski]

Who said anything about mollified? You're acting like BLM is out there stomping for O'Malley now. This isn't a game.

At the end of the day, BLM asked O'Malley for something very simple. He provided it, and it didn't kill his campaign. Don't make this out to be more complicated than it is because Bernie prefers to be stubborn.

"Address the questions and concerns of" means "mollify" breh
And not everybody who disagrees with you is voting for Sanders.

 

[linsivvi]

Again, he gave this speech to the National Urban League a little over a week ago:

https://berniesanders.com/statement-of-senator-bernard-sanders-to-the-national-urban-league/

That's exactly what you said he should be doing and saying right?

Let me quote this here since people are obviously not reading it.

Too many African-Americans today, especially in our urban centers, are simultaneously having to deal with the crisis of racial injustice while coping with the effects of poverty and economic deprivation, such as drugs, crime, and despair.

Across the nation, too many African-Americans and other minorities find themselves subjected to a system that treats citizens who have not committed crimes like criminals. A growing number of communities do not trust the police and the police have become disconnected from the communities they are sworn to protect.

We must reform our criminal justice system. Black lives do matter. And we must value black lives.

We must move away from the militarization of police forces. We must invest in community policing. We need a federal initiative to completely redo how we train police officers in this country and give them body cameras.

It is an obscenity that we stigmatize so many young Americans with a criminal record for smoking marijuana, but not one major Wall Street executive has been prosecuted for causing the near collapse of our entire economy. This must change.

It is morally repugnant and a national tragedy that we have privatized prisons all over America. In my view, corporations should not be allowed to make a profit by building more jails and keeping more Americans behind bars. We have got to end the private-for-profit prison racket in America!

The measure of success for law enforcement should not be how many people get locked up. We need to invest in drug courts and medical and mental health interventions for people with substance abuse problems, so that people struggling with addiction do not end up in prison, they end up in treatment.

For people who have committed crimes that have landed them in jail, there needs to be a path back from prison. The federal system of parole needs to be reinstated. We need real education and real skills training for the incarcerated.

We must end the over incarceration of non-violent young Americans who do not pose a serious threat to our society. It is an international embarrassment that we have more people locked up in jail than any other country on earth – more than even the Communist totalitarian state of China. That has got to end. Instead of spending money on jails and incarceration, we should be investing in jobs and education!

So much for not addressing the issue and not offering solutions.

 

[Merc_]

Wow, the Sanders supporters are straight up accusing BLM supporters of taking money from Hillary on twitter. That conspiracy theory has really gained some traction. The Sanders supporters are just completely losing their shit on there.

 

[Abinash117]

"Plans now" is an easy cop out to say they don't know anything about the guy. He's always supported ideas that help improve the lives of minorities. He has a good track record from the 60s to the 2010s of doing this. His actions speak louder than his words. It's different when you ask other candidates who've been more or less not on the side of progress because then you can actually catch them. With Bernie you're just having him restate himself.

I'm saying that they probably think that he doesn't have any detailed plans and thinks he isn't doing enough in their perspective; that's why I asked has he announced his own detailed agenda like some dem candidates already done. Although, I don't know why those guys went after him specifically.

 

[royalan]

"Address the questions and concerns of" means "mollify" breh
And not everybody who disagrees with you is voting for Sanders.

Obviously. And so that's a bad thing coming from O'Malley because...?

It's like you either want them stomping for O'Malley so you can further villainize the movement, or you want them to continue pressing O'Malley for his past actions...again, so you can further villainize the movement.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

He's been meeting with activists. He even added one to his team, Symone Sanders, who spoke today at the large Seattle rally.





Symone addressing the crowd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXbmwqCMRAY&feature=youtu.be

Already posted a link about her, and as I said, it's a step forward, but also a step to the side. (hence, diagonal).

He knows who he needs to talk to, he just hasn't done it yet.

 

[curlyfriski]

Wow, the Sanders supporters are straight up accusing BLM supporters of taking money from Hillary on twitter. That conspiracy theory has really gained some traction. The Sanders supporters are just completely losing their shit on there.

People on twitter are saying dumb shit, huh? That's shocking stuff

Obviously. And so that's a bad thing coming from O'Malley because...?

It's like you either want them stomping for O'Malley so you can further villainize the movement, or you want them to continue pressing O'Malley for his past actions...again, so you can further villainize the movement.

Honestly, what? I think that some BLM's activists have taken a dumb political strategy when dealing with the Sanders campaign and that some people (specifically you) are getting caught up in campaign messaging and not the actual ideologies of the candidates. All that about villainizing is your own invention

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Let me quote this here since people are obviously not reading it.



So much for not addressing the issue and not offering solutions.

This doesn't help dude.

It's been brought up already, and yes, it's a step in the right direction. A step.

 

[Indicate]

Already posted a link about her, and as I said, it's a step forward, but also a step to the side. (hence, diagonal).

He knows who he needs to talk to, he just hasn't done it yet.

Ok. Missed your post.

 

[linsivvi]

Shrug, whatever.

 

[Arkeband]

This doesn't help dude.

It's been brought up already, and yes, it's a step in the right direction. A step.

She's part of BLM, who the fuck is he supposed to be talking to? You're avoiding everyone directly asking you to explain yourself.

What other steps need to be taken?

 

[linsivvi]

She's part of BLM, who the fuck is he supposed to be talking to? You're avoiding everyone directly asking you to explain yourself.

It seems some posters here's only responses are "he's not doing enough he's not addressing it he's not engaging them" no matter what the actual evidences are.

 

[Merc_]

People on twitter are saying dumb shit, huh? That's shocking stuff

People in this thread have been entertaining the same stuff.