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[old manatee]

Yeah Bernie Sanders is the source of America's racism. Wtf?

 

[Cabbagehead]

Yeah Bernie Sanders is the source of America's racism. Wtf?

Uh? what did that come from.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Also don't forget the systematic push to ruin, wealthy or well off to do independent black communities. At the drop of a hat by any means.

Right. Like I mentioned though, I was trying to work within the confines of the answers he'd given me earlier.

 

[samn]

I was going off the press release but good. Now I just need him to say it in a speech as a campaign promise and he's all good with me as a candidate.

How can he make that a campaign promise in a speech if activists keep pushing him off the stage before he can say anything?

The way they are acting is reprehensible:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-as-black-lives-matter-activists-invade-stage

Sanders was just starting to address several thousand people gathered shoulder to shoulder at Westlake Park when two women took over the microphone. Organizers could not persuade the two to wait and agreed to give them a few minutes.

As Sanders stepped back the women spoke about Ferguson and the killing of Michael Brown and called for four minutes of silence.

When the crowd asked the activists to allow Sanders to speak, one activist called the crowd “white supremacist liberals”, according to event participants.

If their goal was to damage their cause, they did a great job.

 

[Cabbagehead]

How can he make that a campaign promise in a speech if activists keep pushing him off the stage before he can say anything?

Whats a promise without action?

and

Where was this guy 5 years go?


Regardless just a another case of a long line of misguided youths having little to no leading figures. Because they either died or turned crazy or lead the life as a radical religion leader.

 

[samn]

Whats a promise without action?



Where was this guy 5 years go?

So it's ok to keep storming his rallies and pushing him away from the podium until he's president and does something about it?

First the position was 'Sanders really needs to speak up!'

Now it's clear that he's spoken up on multiple occasions and the line is 'well why hasn't he taken action!'

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Whats a promise without action?



Where was this guy 5 years go?

He's advocated and worked for civil rights since before either of us was born. He is by far the best shot we have at getting real reform on a national scale. He addresses the importance of reforming police departments and prisons in just about every speech he gives. The only thing you could really ask of him is to talk about it more.

 

[DECK'ARD]

You sure?

https://web.archive.org/web/20150805120025/https://berniesanders.com/issues/

It wasn't there on August 5. I just noticed it appear today. The internet archive also has no record of the racial justice page existing before today.

I'm not saying it is all brand new material for him. Just that it wasn't listed as one of his issues before, and he didn't have the page for it.

Ah, I thought that page would have accompanied it with it being the theme of that speech and the changes he wanted to see.

That will definitely help get the message across.

 

[Cabbagehead]

So it's ok to keep storming his rallies and pushing him away from the podium until he's president and does something about it?

First the position was 'Sanders really needs to speak up!'

Now it's clear that he's spoken up on multiple occasions and the line is 'well why hasn't he taken action!'

What was he doing before he decided to become president? the last five years. Doesn't matter what he's did more then a life time ago. Its about the now. Especially since talking is just talking and everyone can talk. Maybe people are tired of listening to talk.

 

[linsivvi]

So it's ok to keep storming his rallies and pushing him away from the podium until he's president and does something about it?

First the position was 'Sanders really needs to speak up!'

Now it's clear that he's spoken up on multiple occasions and the line is 'well why hasn't he taken action!'

No, it's more like:

First it was why don't they attack the Republicans?
Because they won't listen anyway

Then why don't they attack Hillary?
Because security

How about O'Malley? He didn't even get it!
Because he addressed BLM at the end

But Bernie did address BLM...
But where is the policy proposal?

But he did give policy proposal!
Well where was he 5 years ago?

Only that he has been doing this for his whole life.

It's just a senseless attack at the easiest target.

 

[Cabbagehead]

He's advocated and worked for civil rights since before either of us was born. He is by far the best shot we have at getting real reform on a national scale. He addresses the importance of reforming police departments and prisons in just about every speech he gives. The only thing you could really ask of him is to talk about it more.

Yes that's all well and good. An he won't be the first and he won't be the last, but lets step back. Obama said he would shut down the bay. But it turned out that, that was near impossible, now reforming police departments has been done more then i could count and for some reason every time some measure of that sort is proposed or put through. It never really changes anything or very little. Unless the reforming is gutting the police force from top to bottom and weeding out the shit heads and retraining those in the force that can be saved. Though now of that would be a short process and not easy at all and with the crap that happened in New York with those departments and their attitude, shits out of control (rebel is how they do it seems ntl) . Plus Prison is a ball game that needs real fire power and unity up the ass to fight, given how many prison and private prisons are being built almost daily. Especially with it being a billion plus rabbit hole.

 

[lednerg]

If I were into conspiracy theories, then I'd say the only way this makes sense is if this was some plot by Hillary's people. Going after Sanders like this is just bizarre. The guy has not been shy about exposing institutionalized racism and all the various problems that BLM has been talking about. I've heard a good number of his speeches this year, and he's not mincing words about these subjects. Yeah, maybe it took a while for his web people to get a page online, but the man himself has not been silent on the matter, going back before the Netroots thing.

 

[Messofanego]

He does say that.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

We must pursue policies that transform this country into a nation that affirms the value of its people of color. That starts with addressing the four central types of violence waged against black and brown Americans: physical, political, legal and economic.

PHYSICAL VIOLENCE
PERPETRATED BY THE STATE
Sandra Bland, Michael Brown, Rekia Boyd, Eric Garner, Walter Scott, Freddie Gray, Tamir Rice, Samuel DuBose. We know their names. Each of them died unarmed at the hands of police officers or in police custody. The chants are growing louder. People are angry and they have a right to be angry. We should not fool ourselves into thinking that this violence only affects those whose names have appeared on TV or in the newspaper. African Americans are twice as likely to be arrested and almost four times as likely to experience the use of force during encounters with the police.

PERPETRATED BY EXTREMISTS
We are far from eradicating racism in this country. In June, nine of our fellow Americans were murdered while praying in a historic church because of the color of their skin. This violence fills us with outrage, disgust, and a deep, deep sadness. Today in America, if you are black, you can be killed for getting a pack of Skittles during a basketball game. These hateful acts of violence amount to acts of terror. They are perpetrated by extremists who want to intimidate and terrorize black and brown people in this country.

ADDRESSING PHYSICAL VIOLENCE
It is an outrage that in these early years of the 21st century we are seeing intolerable acts violence being perpetuated by police, and racist terrorism by white supremacists.

A growing number of communities do not trust the police and law enforcement officers have become disconnected from the communities they are sworn to protect. Violence and brutality of any kind, particularly at the hands of the police sworn to protect and serve our communities, is unacceptable and must not be tolerated. We need a societal transformation to make it clear that black lives matter and racism cannot be accepted in a civilized country.

We must demilitarize our police forces so they don’t look and act like invading armies.
We must invest in community policing. Only when we get officers into the communities, working within neighborhoods before trouble arises, do we develop the relationships necessary to make our communities safer together. Among other things, that means increasing civilian oversight of police departments.
We need police forces that reflect the diversity of our communities.
At the federal level we need to establish a new model police training program that reorients the way we do law enforcement in this country. With input from a broad segment of the community including activists and leaders from organizations like Black Lives Matter we will reinvent how we police America.
We need to federally fund and require body cameras for law enforcement officers to make it easier to hold them accountable.
Our Justice Department must aggressively investigate and prosecute police officers who break the law and hold them accountable for their actions.
We need to require police departments and states to provide public reports on all police shootings and deaths that take place while in police custody.
We need new rules on the allowable use of force. Police officers need to be trained to de-escalate confrontations and to humanely interact with people who have mental illnesses.
States and localities that make progress in this area should get more federal justice grant money. Those that do not should get their funding slashed.
We need to make sure the federal resources are there to crack down on the illegal activities of hate groups.

POLITICAL VIOLENCE
DISENFRANCHISEMENT
In the shameful days of open segregation, “literacy” laws were used to suppress minority voting. Today, through other laws and actions — such as requiring voters to show photo ID, discriminatory drawing of Congressional districts, not allowing early registration or voting, and purging voter rolls — states are taking steps which have a similar effect.

The patterns are unmistakable. An MIT paper found that African Americans waited twice as long to vote as whites. Wait times of as long as six or seven hours have been reported in some minority precincts, especially in “swing” states like Ohio and Florida. Thirteen percent of African-American men have lost the right to vote due to felony convictions.

This should offend the conscience of every American.

The fight for minority voting rights is a fight for justice. It is inseparable from the struggle for democracy itself.

We must work vigilantly to ensure that every American, regardless of skin color or national origin, is able to vote freely and easily.

ADDRESSING POLITICAL VIOLENCE
We need to re-enfranchise the more than two million African Americans who have had their right to vote taken away by a felony conviction.
Congress must restore the Voting Rights Act’s “pre-clearance” provision, which extended protections to minority voters in states where they were clearly needed.
We must expand the Act’s scope so that every American, regardless of skin color or national origin, is able to vote freely.
We need to make Election Day a federal holiday to increase voters’ ability to participate.
We must make early voting an option for voters who work or study and need the flexibility to vote on evenings or weekends.
We must make no-fault absentee ballots an option for all Americans.
Every American over 18 must be registered to vote automatically, so that students and working people can make their voices heard at the ballot box.
We must put an end to discriminatory laws and the purging of minority-community names from voting rolls.
We need to make sure that there are sufficient polling places and poll workers to prevent long lines from forming at the polls anywhere.

LEGAL VIOLENCE
Millions of lives have been destroyed because people are in jail for nonviolent crimes. For decades, we have been engaged in a failed “War on Drugs” with racially-biased mandatory minimums that punish people of color unfairly.

It is an obscenity that we stigmatize so many young Americans with a criminal record for smoking marijuana, but not one major Wall Street executive has been prosecuted for causing the near collapse of our entire economy. This must change.

If current trends continue, one in four black males born today can expect to spend time in prison during their lifetime. Blacks are imprisoned at six times the rate of whites and a report by the Department of Justice found that blacks were three times more likely to be searched during a traffic stop, compared to white motorists. African-Americans are twice as likely to be arrested and almost four times as likely to experience the use of force during encounters with the police. This is an unspeakable tragedy.

It is morally repugnant and a national tragedy that we have privatized prisons all over America. In my view, corporations should not be allowed to make a profit by building more jails and keeping more Americans behind bars. We have got to end the private-for-profit prison racket in America. Profiting off the misery of incarcerated people is immoral and it is immoral to take campaign contributions from the private prison industry or its lobbyists.

The measure of success for law enforcement should not be how many people get locked up. We need to invest in drug courts as well as medical and mental health interventions for people with substance abuse problems, so that people struggling with addiction do not end up in prison, they end up in treatment.

For people who have committed crimes that have landed them in jail, there needs to be a path back from prison. The federal system of parole needs to be reinstated. We need real education and real skills training for the incarcerated.

We must end the over incarceration of nonviolent young Americans who do not pose a serious threat to our society. It is an international embarrassment that we have more people locked up in jail than any other country on earth – more than even the Communist totalitarian state of China. That has got to end.

We must address the lingering unjust stereotypes that lead to the labeling of black youths as “thugs.” We know the truth that, like every community in this country, the vast majority of people of color are trying to work hard, play by the rules and raise their children. It’s time to stop demonizing minority communities.

We must reform our criminal justice system to ensure fairness and justice for people of color.

ADDRESSING LEGAL VIOLENCE
We need to ban prisons for profit, which result in an over-incentive to arrest, jail and detain, in order to keep prison beds full.
We need to turn back from the failed “War on Drugs” and eliminate mandatory minimums which result in sentencing disparities between black and white people.
We need to invest in drug courts and medical and mental health interventions for people with substance abuse problems, so that they do not end up in prison, they end up in treatment.
We need to boost investments for programs that help people who have gone to jail rebuild their lives with education and job training.

ECONOMIC VIOLENCE
Weeks before his death, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. spoke to a union group in New York about what he called “the other America.”

“One America is flowing with the milk of prosperity and the honey of equality,” King said. “That America is the habitat of millions of people who have food and material necessities for their bodies, culture and education for their minds, freedom and human dignity for their spirits. . . . But as we assemble here tonight, I’m sure that each of us is painfully aware of the fact that there is another America, and that other America has a daily ugliness about it that transforms the buoyancy of hope into the fatigue of despair.”

The problem was structural, King said: “This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.”

Eight days later, speaking in Memphis, King continued the theme. “Do you know that most of the poor people in our country are working every day?” he asked striking sanitation workers. “And they are making wages so low that they cannot begin to function in the mainstream of the economic life of our nation. These are facts which must be seen, and it is criminal to have people working on a full-time basis and a full-time job getting part-time income.”

King explained the shift in his focus: “Now our struggle is for genuine equality, which means economic equality. For we know that it isn’t enough to integrate lunch counters. What does it profit a man to be able to eat at an integrated lunch counter if he doesn’t earn enough money to buy a hamburger and a cup of coffee?”

But what King saw in 1968 — and what we all should recognize today — is that it is necessary to try to address the rampant economic inequality while also taking on the issue of societal racism. We must simultaneously address the structural and institutional racism which exists in this country, while at the same time we vigorously attack the grotesque level of income and wealth inequality which is making the very rich much richer while everyone else – especially those in our minority communities – are becoming poorer.

In addition to the physical violence faced by too many in our country we need look at the lives of black children and address a few other difficult facts. Black children, who make up just 18 percent of preschoolers, account for 48 percent of all out-of-school suspensions before kindergarten. We are failing our black children before kindergarten. Black students were expelled at three times the rate of white students. Black girls were suspended at higher rates than all other girls and most boys. According to the Department of Education, African American students are more likely to suffer harsh punishments – suspensions and arrests – at school.

We need to take a hard look at our education system. Black students attend schools with higher concentrations of first-year teachers, compared with white students. Black students were more than three times as likely to attend schools where fewer than 60 percent of teachers meet all state certification and licensure requirements.

Communities of color also face the violence of economic deprivation. Let’s be frank: neighborhoods like those in west Baltimore, where Freddie Gray resided, suffer the most. However, the problem of economic immobility isn’t just a problem for young men like Freddie Gray. It has become a problem for millions of Americans who, despite hard-work and the will to get ahead, can spend their entire lives struggling to survive on the economic treadmill.

We live at a time when most Americans don’t have $10,000 in savings, and millions of working adults have no idea how they will ever retire in dignity. God forbid, they are confronted with an unforeseen car accident, a medical emergency, or the loss of a job. It would literally send their lives into an economic tailspin. And the problems are even more serious when we consider race.

Let us not forget: It was the greed, recklessness, and illegal behavior on Wall Street that nearly drove the economy off of the cliff seven years ago. While millions of Americans lost their jobs, homes, life savings, and ability to send their kids to college, African Americans who were steered into expensive subprime mortgages were the hardest hit.

Most black and Latino households have less than $350 in savings. The black unemployment rate has remained roughly twice as high as the white rate over the last 40 years, regardless of education. Real African American youth unemployment is over 50 percent. This is unacceptable. The American people in general want change – they want a better deal. A fairer deal. A new deal. They want an America with laws and policies that truly reward hard work with economic mobility. They want an America that affords all of its citizens with the economic security to take risks and the opportunity to realize their full potential.

ADDRESSING ECONOMIC VIOLENCE
We need to give our children, regardless of their race or their income, a fair shot at attending college. That’s why all public universities should be made tuition free.
We must invest $5.5 billion in a federally-funded youth employment program to employ young people of color who face disproportionately high unemployment rates.
Knowing that black women earn 64 cents on the dollar compared to white men, we must pass federal legislation to establish pay equity for women.
We must prevent employers from discriminating against applicants based on criminal history.
We need to ensure access to quality affordable childcare for working families.

Bernie ain't ignoring their plight. Should've gone after other candidates first. And done the research before piling on him.

 

[samn]

What was he doing before he decided to become president? the last five years. Doesn't matter what he's did more then a life time ago. Its about the now. Especially since talking is just talking and everyone can talk. Maybe people are tired of listening to talk.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsr...n-ferguson-sanders-to-propose-youth-jobs-bill

BURLINGTON, Vt., Aug. 20 – In the wake of continuing unrest in Ferguson, Missouri, U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said today that he will introduce legislation to address the national crisis of black youth unemployment.

'No no no even though that's in the past 5 years it's too recent. Why hasn't he ended racism?'

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Yes that's all well and good. An he won't be the first and he won't be the last, but lets step back. Obama said he would shut down the bay. But it turned out that, that was near impossible.

Right. I get that there is a gulf between what politicians say and what politicians do. Sometimes they had no intention of doing it, and sometimes (as is the case with the bay) it's a matter of political gridlock. To that end, though, Bernie is the only candidate that even says these things, and there's no reason to believe that he will not sincerely try to get it done.


Look at the list of policy proposals below. You will not find another candidate who even says something as comprehensive, let alone would act on it. I totally understand the skepticism, but someone is going to end up president and I don't see a better argument for any of the other candidates.

We must demilitarize our police forces so they don’t look and act like invading armies.

We must invest in community policing. Only when we get officers into the communities, working within neighborhoods before trouble arises, do we develop the relationships necessary to make our communities safer together. Among other things, that means increasing civilian oversight of police departments.

We need police forces that reflect the diversity of our communities.

At the federal level we need to establish a new model police training program that reorients the way we do law enforcement in this country. With input from a broad segment of the community including activists and leaders from organizations like Black Lives Matter we will reinvent how we police America.

We need to federally fund and require body cameras for law enforcement officers to make it easier to hold them accountable.

Our Justice Department must aggressively investigate and prosecute police officers who break the law and hold them accountable for their actions.

We need to require police departments and states to provide public reports on all police shootings and deaths that take place while in police custody.

We need new rules on the allowable use of force. Police officers need to be trained to de-escalate confrontations and to humanely interact with people who have mental illnesses.

States and localities that make progress in this area should get more federal justice grant money. Those that do not should get their funding slashed.

We need to make sure the federal resources are there to crack down on the illegal activities of hate groups.

 

[SolarPowered]

Yes that's all well and good. An he won't be the first and he won't be the last, but lets step back. Obama said he would shut down the bay. But it turned out that, that was near impossible.

Talking isn't enough and action apparently isn't an avenue because another president failed to do an entirely different thing than what Bernie is attempting to tackle. What is it that you want from Bernie Sanders and his supporters?

 

[Cabbagehead]

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsr...n-ferguson-sanders-to-propose-youth-jobs-bill



'No no no even though that's in the past 5 years it's too recent'

Okay then ten years.


Thanks for providing anyway.

Talking isn't enough and action apparently isn't an avenue because another president failed to do an entirely different thing than what Bernie is attempting to tackle. What is it that you want from Bernie Sanders and his supporters?

I'm using that as a reflection of the prison system. If the bay was near impossible to shut down, how hard do you think it will be to deal with prison and their monopoly on crime and their inability to reform or rehab said criminals especially minors.

Now reforming police departments has been done more then i could count and for some reason every time some measure of that sort is proposed or put through. It never really changes anything or very little. Unless the reforming is gutting the police force from top to bottom and weeding out the shit heads and retraining those in the force that can be saved. Though now of that would be a short process and not easy at all and with the crap that happened in New York with those departments and their attitude, shits out of control (rebel is how they do it seems ntl) . Plus Prison is a ball game that needs real fire power and unity up the ass to fight, given how many prison and private prisons are being built almost daily. Along with their billion dollar + rabbit hole.

 

[Kinyou]

If I were into conspiracy theories, then I'd say the only way this makes sense is if this was some plot by Hillary's people. Going after Sanders like this is just bizarre. The guy has not been shy about exposing institutionalized racism and all the various problems that BLM has been talking about. I've heard a good number of his speeches this year, and he's not mincing words about these subjects. Yeah, maybe it took a while for his web people to get a page online, but the man himself has not been silent on the matter, going back before the Netroots thing.

Yeah, I also honestly doubt that Sanders is the kind of candidate that can only be reached by crashing one of his speeches.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Yeah, I also honestly doubt that Sanders is the kind of candidate that can only be reached by crashing one of his speeches.

This is politics anything is up as a possibility ten fold. Especially since BLM can be easily provoked.

 

[Dufase19089]

Ok, now I'm going to run with your own reasoning here and I just want to know if you have any objection to this being a logical conclusion:


Economic disparity existed initially due to racism.

That disparity led to higher crime rates among black people, who were largely impoverished

Higher crime meant more people spent time in prison

More time spent in prison meant more children raised by single parents or foster homes

That leads to kids raised with less guidance and nurturing, on average, than white counterparts

This, combined with growing up in poverty where money, quality education, and good role models are scarce, leads to people resorting to crime, as their parents did

Because these areas become known as hotbeds of crime, they are also policed more heavily

Because they are policed more heavily and in poverty, this continues the high incarceration rates which makes it harder to get a job or housing upon release, therefore encouraging repeated offenses

This cycle has repeated generation after generation all the way to today, because we've established that economic disparity will encourage criminal behavior and that economic disparity still exists

Therefore, it is harder to succeed today, on average, as a black person than a white person thanks to the rollover effect of racism long ago and while we present committing crime as a choice, we know that living in impoverished conditions will encourage any person, regardless of race, to commit crime

As a result, reforms in policing and how our justice system views criminality are worth pursuing, because allowing the continuation of a system that we acknowledge is born in racism is, itself, racist.



(Mind you, that doesn't 100% align with my view, but I'm working with your own rationale here)

Part of that is true, however I want to tackle your last statement.

Policing criminals is not racist. Arresting criminals is not racist. While the past may make it harder for you to break out of generational cycles, it does not mean that the past is responsible for your future.

My mother once put it like this. It typically takes 3 cycles or generations to break a habit. Her father (the first generation) was a gambler who left her mother and 7 other children when she was young. So she grew up in poverty, She was not given any handouts like we have today, she was not given a fair chance in life, but she busted her butt of to make things better for her daughter. Even though my mother made the best of her situation her daughter (my older sister) still grew up in poverty. She had a much better lifestyle than my mother did, but it was still pretty "bad". My mother could not afford to send my sister to college, nor could she afford some of the luxuries her white friends had. So my sister decided to get a job so that she can have all the glamours things her friends did. During that time my mother got married and moved away, leaving my sister and her recently born child alone. My parents couldnt afford to send my sister money or anything, but my sister decided that she was going to give her daughter a better life than she did, so my sister worked full time, went to college, graduated with high marks and still raised her daughter. At that point my parents were able to assist her raising my niece so she moved to where my parents where while she gained her masters and she now lives in California with her husband earning more than what both my parents make.

I know I am bringing up a lot of personal examples. but thats basically the reality of the world we live in. Not once did my sister think that growing up in poverty, or being black somehow meant she was disadvantaged. Nearly all of her boyfriends ended up in jail (including her baby daddy). She realized that she needed to make a change and she did what it took to get out of the economic situation and improve on her life.

Both of my parents and my sister had to work full time jobs to go to some a college where they go their degrees and even after getting that degree it wasnt easy finding work in the economy.

Race was never an issue for them (despite living in a time where racism was still a big thing) It was always about giving their kids a better hand than they were dealt with.

Changing the justice system wont change the way people value things. The system isnt out to arrest all black people. The system is simply arresting those who commit crime.

Being in poverty doesnt mean you must commit crime. Maybe 20 years ago this arguement would be different, but as for this day and age there is hardly an excuse for how things have happened.

Literally all around you there are people telling black youths not to commit crimes, get education, make a difference and they intentionally ignore it.

Hell inner city programs and various church outreach programs have been helping kids for decades, yet people still choose to ignore it.

Unfortunately its part of the black culture to act a certain way, do certain things, and not be educated. Hell It wasnt racism that lead to my cousin punching a cop in the face (who was there to protect my cousin who was jumped by a bunch of kinds, honestly who punches the cop who is trying to help you?) It wasnt racism that got my 13 year old cousin knocked up (she literally had the brightest future out of all of my cousins, but she decided to stay with an idiot kid who has no way of paying child support instead of listening to her parents) It wasnt racism that causes people to steal from their own family members just because they want to fit in with the other kids.

There are so many people in my family that have invested and poured into the lives of my generation, and nearly all of my generation intentionally chose to reject what was required of them and they intentionally choose to live a destructive lifestyle.

How are you gonna say that #BlackLivesMatter and then turn around and burn the shops of black business owners who are trying to get out of that economic cycle. How are you gonna say #BlackLivesMatter but then run out on your kids just because you dont wanna pay child support.

I know this is probably waaaaay to personally, but it is really astounding how many opportunities black people have to make a change, to make a difference, but they always turn around and say they cant because of racism.

If you want less blacks in prison, Stop Committing Crimes. Apart from extreme cases, they cops are almost always doing their jobs accurately. If you want cops to stop targeting low income areas because of the high crime rate, and start looking at more high profile crimes, that is fine. but I highly doubt you will see much economic change.

Heck, I know kids who would turn down a free education just because there is no incentive to get one.

 

[Big Baybee]

Holy fuck

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Okay then ten years.


Thanks for providing anyway.



I'm using that as a reflection of the prison system. If the bay was near impossible to shut down, how hard do you think it will be to deal with prison and their monopoly on crime and their ability to not reform or rehab.

Bernie Sanders has a 93% rating by the ACLU and 97% rating by the NAACP. He has a very strong record on civil rights issues throughout his political career.


And yes, I agree that taking on the prison system would be difficult and a drawn out process. What do you feel is the alternative, though? To not try? Not support a candidate who at least advocates for doing so?

 

[Cabbagehead]

Part of that is true, however I want to tackle your last statement.

Policing criminals is not racist. Arresting criminals is not racist. While the past may make it harder for you to break out of generational cycles, it does not mean that the past is responsible for your future.

My mother once put it like this. It typically takes 3 cycles or generations to break a habit. Her father (the first generation) was a gambler who left her mother and 7 other children when she was young. So she grew up in poverty, She was not given any handouts like we have today, she was not given a fair chance in life, but she busted her butt of to make things better for her daughter. Even though my mother made the best of her situation her daughter (my older sister) still grew up in poverty. She had a much better lifestyle than my mother did, but it was still pretty "bad". My mother could not afford to send my sister to college, nor could she afford some of the luxuries her white friends had. So my sister decided to get a job so that she can have all the glamours things her friends did. During that time my mother got married and moved away, leaving my sister and her recently born child alone. My parents couldnt afford to send my sister money or anything, but my sister decided that she was going to give her daughter a better life than she did, so my sister worked full time, went to college, graduated with high marks and still raised her daughter. At that point my parents were able to assist her raising my niece so she moved to where my parents where while she gained her masters and she now lives in California with her husband earning more than what both my parents make.

I know I am bringing up a lot of personal examples. but thats basically the reality of the world we live in. Not once did my sister think that growing up in poverty, or being black somehow meant she was disadvantaged. Nearly all of her boyfriends ended up in jail (including her baby daddy). She realized that she needed to make a change and she did what it took to get out of the economic situation and improve on her life.

Both of my parents and my sister had to work full time jobs to go to some a college where they go their degrees and even after getting that degree it wasnt easy finding work in the economy.

Race was never an issue for them (despite living in a time where racism was still a big thing) It was always about giving their kids a better hand than they were dealt with.

Changing the justice system wont change the way people value things. The system isnt out to arrest all black people. The system is simply arresting those who commit crime.

Being in poverty doesnt mean you must commit crime. Maybe 20 years ago this arguement would be different, but as for this day and age there is hardly an excuse for how things have happened.

Literally all around you there are people telling black youths not to commit crimes, get education, make a difference and they intentionally ignore it.

Hell inner city programs and various church outreach programs have been helping kids for decades, yet people still choose to ignore it.

Unfortunately its part of the black culture to act a certain way, do certain things, and not be educated. Hell It wasnt racism that lead to my cousin punching a cop in the face (who was there to protect my cousin who was jumped by a bunch of kinds, honestly who punches the cop who is trying to help you?) It wasnt racism that got my 13 year old cousin knocked up (she literally had the brightest future out of all of my cousins, but she decided to stay with an idiot kid who has no way of paying child support instead of listening to her parents) It wasnt racism that causes people to steal from their own family members just because they want to fit in with the other kids.

There are so many people in my family that have invested and poured into the lives of my generation, and nearly all of my generation intentionally chose to reject what was required of them and they intentionally choose to live a destructive lifestyle.

How are you gonna say that #BlackLivesMatter and then turn around and burn the shops of black business owners who are trying to get out of that economic cycle. How are you gonna say #BlackLivesMatter but then run out on your kids just because you dont wanna pay child support.

I know this is probably waaaaay to personally, but it is really astounding how many opportunities black people have to make a change, to make a difference, but they always turn around and say they cant because of racism.

If you want less blacks in prison, Stop Committing Crimes. Apart from extreme cases, they cops are almost always doing their jobs accurately. If you want cops to stop targeting low income areas because of the high crime rate, and start looking at more high profile crimes, that is fine. but I highly doubt you will see much economic change.

Heck, I know kids who would turn down a free education just because there is no incentive to get one.

You make it sound so easy.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Bernie Sanders has a 93% rating by the ACLU and 97% rating by the NAACP. He has a very strong record on civil rights issues throughout his political career.


And yes, I agree that taking on the prison system would be difficult and a drawn out process. What do you feel is the alternative, though? To not try? Not support a candidate who at least advocates for doing so?

Bernie Sanders has a 93% rating by the ACLU and 97% rating by the NAACP. He has a very strong record on civil rights issues throughout his political career.


And yes, I agree that taking on the prison system would be difficult and a drawn out process. What do you feel is the alternative, though? To not try? Not support a candidate who at least advocates for doing so?

Maybe i'm to cynical but the oval office does not hold the same power it once did. An power has to fight power. An unless he has the people rally with him all the way not much is going to be done, maybe a few bills...etc but nothing big. Then his time would be up unless he gets reelected.


To me there's got to be some other way to do it. Because this problem is getting worse and frankly from the beginning of slavery and the conditions afterwards. Even after being "Freed" the battle to the top and to be apart of the pack would be super painful and those pains are ever clear with the youth today.

 

[Dufase19089]

You make it sound so easy.

Its not easy for anybody. But race doesnt make it any harder for one person than another.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

[edited for brevity]
If you want less blacks in prison, Stop Committing Crimes. Apart from extreme cases, they cops are almost always doing their jobs accurately. If you want cops to stop targeting low income areas because of the high crime rate, and start looking at more high profile crimes, that is fine. but I highly doubt you will see much economic change.

Heck, I know kids who would turn down a free education just because there is no incentive to get one.

I think you're conflating the idea that because a black person and a white person can both escape poverty, this means they are equally likely to or have equal resources to do so.


That said, I realize that changing anyone's mind is nearly impossible, especially on the internet, so thanks for answering my questions at least. I really wish you would entertain the idea that the current situation was achieved through deliberate effort and not happenstance, but you seem pretty steadfast in your convictions.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Its not easy for anybody. But race doesn't make it any harder for one person than another.

That's not what the past hundred years says. Man do i wish i had a time machine projector to show the level of damage that was done. An its not just a generational thing its a mentality thing and its built over time like a wall of shit and reality. Every where you go outside, you are surrounded by it and for many people its very hard to think about anything else. Unless you're some of the hand full of people in the neighborhood not wanting be stuck on that hill like the rest.

 

[SolarPowered]

I'm using that as a reflection of the prison system. If the bay was near impossible to shut down, how hard do you think it will be to deal with prison and their monopoly on crime and their inability to reform or rehab said criminals especially minors.

From what he has said and written it seems like he'd be the most proactive about changing these things in the first place and it's perfectly natural to expect the prison industry to push back. I don't expect the process to be smooth at all. This is why presidents get up to 8 years to push their agenda. Frankly, we'll be in a far better place if his administration could successfully pass drug decriminalization (and legalization where appropriate), bring back voting rights for former inmates (even if nonviolent) and significantly (or completely) reduce the price of college tuition we'll be in a great place. We're not even touching on the issue of police brutality or the living wage, but my point is that racial inequality is the result of a lot of different issues that get varying degrees of attention (no one seemed to give a shit about income inequality until just recently and I've never even heard of a president talking about inmate voting rights). I didn't even know until a few hours ago (thanks to Bernie Sanders' website) that 13% of Black men can't even vote in the US and I find that INSANE. I'm just glad that the Democrats have at least one candidate who seems to have a pulse on all these different issues and hasn't played an active role in increasing the size of the prison complex like countless other politicians from both sides of the aisle.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Maybe i'm to cynical but the oval office does not hold the same power it once did. An power has to fight power. An unless he has the people rally with him all the way not much is going to be done, maybe a few bills...etc but nothing big. Then his time would be up unless he gets reelected.


To me there's got to be some other way to do it. Because this problem is getting worse and frankly from the beginning of slavery and the conditions after every after being "Freed" the battle to the top and to be apart of the pack would be super painful and those pains are ever clear with the youth today.

I agree that it will require a lot of pressure from the public at large to spur the political will to do anything. If it is made clear enough to a large amount of representatives that their reelection rests on getting something done on X,Y or Z issue, it will get done. Things have always worked that way, but my own cynical side says that too many people are happy to binge watch their favorite tv shows and accept things as they are. Again, though, for those of us who care about fixing these problems it's still important to offer support to those who advocate for the same cause.

 

[Malvolio]

So transparent. Instead of having an open dialog to address concerns, let's appeal to emotions and force a moment of silence. Disgusting.

 

[Cabbagehead]

From what he has said and written it seems like he'd be the most proactive about changing these things in the first place and it's perfectly natural to expect the prison industry to push back. I don't expect the process to be smooth at all. This is why presidents get up to 8 years to push their agenda. Frankly, we'll be in a far better place if his administration could successfully pass drug decriminalization (and legalization where appropriate), bring back voting rights for former inmates (even if nonviolent) and significantly (or completely) reduce the price of college tuition we'll be in a great place. We're not even touching on the issue of police brutality or the living wage, but my point is that racial inequality is the result of a lot of different issues that get varying degrees of attention (no one seemed to give a shit about income inequality until just recently and I've never even heard of a president talking about inmate voting rights). I didn't even know until a few hours ago (thanks to Bernie Sanders' website) that 13% of Black men can't even vote in the US and I find that INSANE. I'm just glad that the Democrats have at least one candidate who seems to have a pulse on all these different issues and hasn't played an active role in increasing the size of the prison complex like countless other politicians from both sides of the aisle.

This would only work if Democrats get majority house. Because we all saw how the ball game works if its favored for the Republicans. (Though i will always find it funny that in the past, the tables were switched)

 

[richiek]

Geez, that's not flattering.

 

[ICKE]

"We have new reports from the front Madam. According to latest information the right wing universe is exploding at the speed of light. Conservatives are turning against Fox News and Trump is making new gains in these latest polls, even Erick Erickson is now a RINO according to many hard liners"

"Also, another Bernie Sanders rally has been shut down by protesters. We are now witnessing broadcasts with African Americans screaming "WHITE RACISTS!" while Sanders is trying to desperately contain the situation in the background "

All according to keikaku

 

[Zeus Molecules]

Its not easy for anybody. But race doesnt make it any harder for one person than another.

You realize everything you have said would make you a great black republican candidate right? You insulted black people, black people's culture, black people's parenting, black people's work ethic and basically said black people like being criminals. I'm honestly surprised you haven't said something about black people's genetics making us predisposed to crime.

 

[Cabbagehead]

You realize everything you have said would make you a great black republican candidate right? You insulted black people, black people's culture, black people's parenting, black people's work ethic and basically said black people like being criminals. I'm honestly surprised you haven't said something about black people's genetics making us predisposed to crime.

speak!

 

[G.ZZZ]

From what he has said and written it seems like he'd be the most proactive about changing these things in the first place and it's perfectly natural to expect the prison industry to push back. I don't expect the process to be smooth at all. This is why presidents get up to 8 years to push their agenda. Frankly, we'll be in a far better place if his administration could successfully pass drug decriminalization (and legalization where appropriate), bring back voting rights for former inmates (even if nonviolent) and significantly (or completely) reduce the price of college tuition we'll be in a great place. We're not even touching on the issue of police brutality or the living wage, but my point is that racial inequality is the result of a lot of different issues that get varying degrees of attention (no one seemed to give a shit about income inequality until just recently and I've never even heard of a president talking about inmate voting rights). I didn't even know until a few hours ago (thanks to Bernie Sanders' website) that 13% of Black men can't even vote in the US and I find that INSANE. I'm just glad that the Democrats have at least one candidate who seems to have a pulse on all these different issues and hasn't played an active role in increasing the size of the prison complex like countless other politicians from both sides of the aisle.

Thank you.

People protesting Sanders are just stupid people that see all the issues black people face in america as a one-dimensional singular affair (racists!). Sadly it seems like modern politics is all about being as one-dimensional and stupid as possible, and not about trying to actually solve said issues.

 

[SolarPowered]

Geez, that's not flattering.

A shame because the early news completely overshadowed the big story which was his draw of 15,000 people for this rally. As his momentum grows, so do his detractors, it seems. Amazing what less than a handful of people can do compared to 15,000. I'm sure this whole mess is making far bigger waves in Seattle right now, though.

At the UW event, 12,000 supporters flooded the arena and 3,000 more were in the overflow crowd outside, the fire marshal said.

Lynn Bloss, 70, said she’d been aware of Sanders for a long time, but only recently became a big supporter as he seeks the presidency. She has a disabled son, so Sanders’ support for expanding health care and education are particularly important to her and her husband.

A former Clinton fan, Bloss said she found Sanders more genuine. “He’s invigorating and he’s authentic,” Bloss said. “I feel like we’re really getting the truth from him.”

A self-proclaimed democratic socialist, the independent senator, 73, had been expecting a warm welcome in Seattle, known for its liberal politics.

A few thousand had gathered at Westlake for the 1 p.m. event, which featured hours of speeches from local activists and politicians in favor of protecting and expanding Social Security, Medicare and other programs that have kept millions out of poverty.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...er-protesters-shut-down-bernie-sanders-rally/

Thank you.

People protesting Sanders are just stupid people that see all the issues black people face in america as a one-dimensional singular affair (racists!). Sadly it seems like modern politics is all about being as one-dimensional and stupid as possible, and not about trying to actually solve said issues.

Yeah, for years now I've felt like minorities and the poor get pandering at best. We wouldn't get as many police beatings if drug laws gave police fewer excuses to stop people randomly, we'd have better lifestyles (and a stronger economy too) if every single full time worker were above the poverty line, we'd have far more work opportunities if college tuition were actually affordable for everyone regardless of age, race, sex or class and we'd be a healthier people with single payer healthcare but we stay stuck maintaining the status quo. Body cameras, slight minimum wage bumps and small legislation will only get us so far because it's not direct action at all. We really need some of that right now. Unfortunately Republicans will fight against this every step of the way.

 

[Manmademan]

You realize everything you have said would make you a great black republican candidate right? You insulted black people, black people's culture, black people's parenting, black people's work ethic and basically said black people like being criminals. I'm honestly surprised you haven't said something about black people's genetics making us predisposed to crime.

who knew Alan Keyes Was a GAFer

 

[Flo_Evans]

One I think telling people to be quiet and protest like this is super fucked up. Fuck off. On the other hand you are doing it wrong. Bernie is not a great target, except for the fact it's actually possible to storm the stage and jack the mic.

I'm not sure I like Bernies reaction to just leave, but at the same time I don't think you can capitulate to people that are basically holding you hostage and preventing you from getting your own message out so you can help them.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

They are doing a great job bringing negativity to their movement.

 

[Days like these...]

As a minority (latino) bernie supporter. I can only hope these misdirected protests dont affect people's perception of Bernie too much. Imagine if he makes it to the general election and Black folk dont come out and vote for him thanks to these clowns who dont realise he is on their side.

 

[Aaronology]

No, it's more like:

First it was why don't they attack the Republicans?
Because they won't listen anyway

Then why don't they attack Hillary?
Because security

How about O'Malley? He didn't even get it!
Because he addressed BLM at the end

But Bernie did address BLM...
But where is the policy proposal?

But he did give policy proposal!
Well where was he 5 years ago?

Only that he has been doing this for his whole life.

It's just a senseless attack at the easiest target.

This post fairly sums up the entire situation as I see it.

 

[Infinite]

At this point this discussion is moving in circles and is honestly not really getting anywhere. I guess my question now is why does Bernie Sanders have gamer gate like supporters who try and harass people online who dare thinks he can do more lip service to their issues?

 

[water_wendi]

At this point this discussion is moving in circles and is honestly not really getting anywhere. I guess my question now is why does Bernie Sanders have gamer gate like supporters who try and harass people online who dare thinks he can do more lip service for their issues?

Wow what happened?

 

[Maxim726X]

BLM is funded by Soros, a huge Clinton supporter.

So dirty if true... So very dirty.

 

[Cheebo]

Sucks for Bernie. Oh well not like he ever was going to win anything anyway. He is the Ron Paul candidate of the Democratic Party.

 

[Maninthemirror]

this black lives matter movement is eating themselves up from within


there was a guest on CNN who was told about the 2008 Obama speech where he said there is no Black America, there is no White America there is the United States of America.

You know Obama was trying to say lets get united without any race segregation


The Guest who is a prominent guest on CNN said 'I dont agree with Obama, there is a Black America'

as if trying to create a clear dividing line that needs to be there first before we do anything else. I dont agree with black lives matter because it gives exclusivity. It should be ALL lives matter so the message is all lives, be it any color is treated the same, Black lives matter is like its us for us, with us and others are against us. wrong.

 

[Big Baybee]

as if trying to create a clear dividing line that needs to be there first before we do anything else. I dont agree with black lives matter because it gives exclusivity. It should be ALL lives matter so the message is all lives, be it any color is treated the same, Black lives matter is like its us for us, with us and others are against us. wrong.

Amazing how often bullshit like this is posted.

So dirty if true... So very dirty.

It's not true

 

[Maninthemirror]

Amazing how often bullshit like this is posted.

It's not true

So you agree or disagree with the 2008 Obama speech that it should be about united all people of race under the US flag and there is no black america or white america?

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

At this point this discussion is moving in circles and is honestly not really getting anywhere. I guess my question now is why does Bernie Sanders have gamer gate like supporters who try and harass people online who dare thinks he can do more lip service to their issues?

Haha, what? You need some proof for these large accusations.

Amazing how often bullshit like this is posted.

It's not true

What do you mean by not true? Soros has been pouring millions of dollars into it, just like with the Ferguson Rallies. Many sources have stated as much.