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Black Lives Matter shuts down a Bernie Sanders rally

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werks

Banned
If they don't need Sanders they'll wind up needing Clinton, Bush or (god forbid) Trump.

The strategy of these activists seems to be to attack the candidate already most allied to their cause, and scream that the audience are all racist for not liking it.
Clinton and bush are both about providing 3 meals, clothing and lodging for black people.
 
Bernie needs black voters
Black voters don't need Bernie
Govern yourselves accordingly

Man, even in a movement meant to center black lives, we are still being told "what we need to do", "you need us", "you guys will go nowhere without us".

It's sick.


Bernie up until this point has been dismissive to BLM. That's not good. He's trying to campaign to become President. Dismissing a movement like that is not good.
 

Dude Abides

Banned
If they don't need Sanders they'll wind up needing Clinton, Bush or (god forbid) Trump.

The strategy of these activists seems to be to attack the candidate already most allied to their cause, and scream that the audience are all racist for not liking it.

They know Sanders isn't going to have them arrested or tossed. He's a soft target they can atrack without any risk to themselves. This kind of thing is fairly typical of immature activists who think agitprop is a substitute for organizing.
 

~Devil Trigger~

In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
"This doesn't help Bernie..."

Ha. His crowd grew larger after leaving that speech. If anything, he'll gain more followers just in spite of the movement.

Why? Because ally has become a very loose word as of late. Dead ass, if Black Lives Matter dies out, and reform doesn't happen, I'm sure black people will be blamed for it.


But it won't be them who puts a bullet in it. It won't be conservatives, it won't be the government or law enforcement. This thread should give you a hint of whom will end it. And all because we weren't "acting right".

(and no, I don't just mean white liberals, it'll be liberals of different races, but all with that same paternalistic yet inactive mindset.)


And either Bernie or Hillary will use the movement's dead body as a stepping stone.

Why do people take so much offense to "Bernie Sanders is not the politician standing in the way of Black People"

Sure, make shitty decisions, an dont take responsibility when the movement dies because of them. Blame other people...
 
Stuff like this is getting to the front page of imgur and getting thousands of votes, those Black Lives Matter protesters really have to stop going after Bernie because ultimately they're going to be doing more harm than good in the eyes of white people.

Haha, in the eyes of white racists more like. Screw them.
 
Bernie needs black voters
Black voters don't need Bernie
Govern yourselves accordingly

So what do black people need? I'm not sure how this is not a two way street. They need to someone who has no history of physically involving in and participating in events to fight for blacks and has spoken out against the treatment of blacks in America?
Man, even in a movement meant to center black lives, we are still being told "what we need to do", "you need us", "you guys will go nowhere without us".

It's sick.


Bernie up until this point has been dismissive to BLM. That's not good. He's trying to campaign to become President. Dismissing a movement like that is not good.

Except they're not? No one is telling you you have to support Bernie.
 

lednerg

Member
The people currently speaking on behalf of BLM need to explain why they've chosen to direct their ire at Bernie Sanders, because what they're saying doesn't add up. If they have a problem with a small group of his supporters, then that's on those randos, not Bernie. It's not up to him to order people how to conduct themselves on social media (if they even are Bernie supporters). BLM's press release about yesterday's stunt is out of bizarro world; it breaks my heart, since it casts the whole movement and Sanders as antagonists for no logical reason whatsoever:

Bernie Sanders will not continue to call himself a man of the people, while ignoring the plight of Black people. Presidential candidates will not win Black votes without putting out an explicit criminal justice reform package. As was said at the Netroots action, presidential candidates should expect to be shut down and confronted every step along the way of this presidential campaign. Black people are in a state of emergency. Lines have been drawn in the sand. You are either fighting continuously and measurably to protect Black life in America, or you are a part of the white supremacist system that we will tear down in the liberation of our people.

Bernie's been more outspoken about racial injustice and inequality than any other presidential candidate in the field, particularly in terms of jobs, policing, and education. His voting record on matters affecting minorites is practically spotless, going back decades. If these BLM spokespeople want to have a conversation with the man, then maybe they should try to have one of those rather than resorting to these fruitless tactics.
 
Poor racists, how will they ever recover.

You can still support a cause and be critical of how it's conducted. If you think this will cause people to be racist then you're mind is actually already made up. It's militant thinking at its finest and you see it a lot when race, equality, etc. are brought up on the left. It's how the snake eats its own tail most of the time. It's easier to accept that, you know, this protest was done inefficiently because the protestors want things he's already given and continue to move that goal post than to want Bernie to continuously bowdown.
 
Posts like these make it really clear when people legitimately have no idea who Bernie Sanders is, what he's done, what his voting record reflects and what his stances are and have been for almost half a goddamn century.

We do know and we are aware, but that doesn't mean that you get some free pass because you were with MLK. As said multiple times from other people in this thread, Bernie should gave them a voice and gave the movement support. It shows that he is aware of the current problems and it helps kill this attitude people like you have towards the movement. Some in this very thread still parrot the same arguments diet racists use to silence BLM or at least undermine it as to remove the actual message.
 

samn

Member
Man, even in a movement meant to center black lives, we are still being told "what we need to do", "you need us", "you guys will go nowhere without us".

It's sick.


Bernie up until this point has been dismissive to BLM. That's not good. He's trying to campaign to become President. Dismissing a movement like that is not good.

How has he been dismissive?
 
How has he been dismissive?

Cancelling meetings for one, refusing to meet with these many BLM chapters. It was already too late by netroots, far too late but recoverable now.

He hired Symone for a reason, he added that new page for a reason, it was a crystal clear problem.
 
He's left the stage of the events instead of engaging black leaders in the communities.

The event this thread is about wasn't his event. He was a guest speaker and had to go to his rally afterward. His time was up.

Why the hell are they going after Sanders and not Clinton?

Sanders wasn't talking too much about it.
Then he started talking about it more.

Clinton has stronger security.
Sanders doesn't.

He's now to sit down with BLM and #Bowdown[Bernie]

There's nothing wrong with it but they're not being consistent at all.
 

~Devil Trigger~

In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
They know Sanders isn't going to have them arrested or tossed. He's a soft target they can atrack without any risk to themselves. This kind of thing is fairly typical of immature activists who think agitprop is a substitute for organizing.

this is essentially the problem. And they dont take criticism well at all.
 

samn

Member
Cancelling meetings for one, refusing to meet with these many BLM chapters. It was already too late by netroots, far too late but recoverable now.

He hired Symone for a reason, he added that new page for a reason, it was a crystal clear problem.

Well, fair enough. What would you like to see next?
 
Why the hell are they going after Sanders and not Clinton?

To requote linsivvi:

No, it's more like:

First it was why don't they attack the Republicans?
Because they won't listen anyway

Then why don't they attack Hillary?
Because security

How about O'Malley? He didn't even get it!
Because he addressed BLM at the end

But Bernie did address BLM...
But where is the policy proposal?

But he did give policy proposal!
Well where was he 5 years ago?

Only that he has been doing this for his whole life.

It's just a senseless attack at the easiest target.
 
If these BLM spokespeople want to have a conversation with the man, then maybe they should try to have one of those rather than resorting to these fruitless tactics.

They tried, it was supposed to happen after netroots. It was schedule even before it.

HE cancelled those meetings.
 

NervousXtian

Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
We do know and we are aware, but that doesn't mean that you get some free pass because you were with MLK. As said multiple times from other people in this thread, Bernie should gave them a voice and gave the movement support. It shows that he is aware of the current problems and it helps kill this attitude people like you have towards the movement. Some in this very thread still parrot the same arguments diet racists use to silence BLM or at least undermine it as to remove the actual message.

Sorry, you don't give the mic to someone who comes up on stage uninvited.

They put him in an unwinnable situation. He isn't the type to kick them off the stage, but you can't just let them take over your town halls.

That's the problem with this, you aren't doing the cause any good because you can't go about it this way. Also, have a message to go with the hashtag. You can't ask Bernie what he's going to do if you have no idea what you want done.

Hashtags are easy, but solutions are hard.
 

Oogedei

Member
Nope, not this time.

A LOT of them are doing exactly this and worse, whether they "aim to" or not. Enough to get the ire of me and most black activist I follow.

Could you ellaborate more on why you think that a LOT of the Sanders supporters are doing exactly this and worse. I see some horrible pictures posted here but there is no indication whether they're created by Sanders supporters or by someone else. I don't have the impression that the majority thinks something like this, but I'm open for a discussion here.
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
Black voters don't need someone who will sincerely champion their causes? They don't need someone opposed to police brutality? The prison industry?

How does this street not go both ways?
In this so-called 'relationship', the black voting bloc is what counts. Period. Don't think that 8 years of Obama in the WH hasn't awoken people to that fact. Your man isn't entitled to shit. He can get off his ass and earn the vote, or someone else will.

To Sanders' credit, he seems to be getting it now, big-time. Shame so many of his supports are acting like assclowns and demanding that black people sit down, shut up, and take a backseat to economic (ie. their) issues instead, then engaging in temper tantrums online. That's a huge turn-off, and one that's hurting the very person you're purporting to support.

Let me be clear.

You're being told, "no".
You've been given the reasons why.
You want your man to win? Start listening. Or wither on the vine. That's the great thing about politicians, there will always be another one to take that spot.
 

Tagyhag

Member
No, they should keep going. And go after as many politicians as possible.


Because it's illuminating how white people really feel about them. Especially that first image.


It's either we're with y'all, or we ain't shit. Definitely not our voices.

Yes, going exclusively after Bernie doesn't do them any favors because people think they're just attacking him. (Which they're obviously not but the average person is already an idiot)

Republicans won't listen, sure, but still, protesting at their rallies, albeit a lot more dangerous, and reaching to as many politicians as possible would help the movement.
 
Who are they propping up as a good alternative presidential candidate?

This is the dumbest question I've ever read.

In a democracy, which America claims to be (but is not), it's not the electorate's job to produce suitable candidates. It's the candidate's job to conform themselves to the electorate's needs. If voters are expected instead to conform themselves to a candidate, then what you have is an authoritarian system where the governed serve the governors. (pro-tip: that's what we have)
 
Could you ellaborate more on why you think that a LOT of the Sanders supporters are doing exactly this and worse. I see some horrible pictures posted here but there is no indication whether they're created by Sanders supporters or by someone else. I don't have the impression that the majority thinks something like this, but I'm open for a discussion here.

Here are four examples:

Elon James White, Black Guys Who Tip, Charles M. Blow, Goldie Taylor.

All four of their accounts have been flooded with the same type of behavior or worse, some of these examples are still up on twitter.

I've personally dealt with it from friends and strangers alike. A few other black posters probably have too, but I won't speak for them.
 
That's the problem with this, you aren't doing the cause any good because you can't go about it this way. Also, have a message to go with the hashtag. You can't ask Bernie what he's going to do if you have no idea what you want done.

What you mean? The answers to that are easy and Bernie has addressed some of the problems himself. Prison, education, poverty, and so on.
 

Gattsu25

Banned
Do you have a link saying he cancelled planned meetings? I can't seem to find anything.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/...-omalley-misses-blacklivesmatter-wins-n394746
The Aftermath
Sanders and O'Malley were both caught flat footed and their campaign teams let them down at Netroots but the reaction to yesterday's events is still unfolding. O'Malley apologized for his "White Lives Matter" comment within minutes of leaving the forum, and then went on to do interviews with prominent black news outlets to clarify his comments.

Bernie Sanders cancelled all of his remaining meetings that afternoon including one that had been promised specifically with Black Lives Matter activists.
 
In this so-called 'relationship', the black voting bloc is what counts. Period. Don't think that 8 years of Obama in the WH hasn't awoken people to that fact. Your man isn't entitled to shit. He can get off his ass and earn the vote, or someone else will.

To Sanders' credit, he seems to be getting it now, big-time. Shame so many of his supports are acting like assclowns and demanding that black people sit down, shut up, and take a backseat to economic (ie. their) issues instead, then engaging in temper tantrums online. That's a huge turn-off, and one that's hurting the very person you're purporting to support.

Let me be clear.

You're being told, "no".
You've been given the reasons why.
You want your man to win? Start listening. Or wither on the vine. That's the great thing about politicians, there will always be another one to take that spot.

Will they? I don't believe that for a second. What is your recourse if NO candidates EARN the vote? Do you just not vote? Unless you're saying that the bar to earn the vote will be continually lowered until they have to make a choice and choose a person to back. Because I don't see a situation where when the election comes that one candidate will have to make major reforms to their platform to single-handedly earn the black vote.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/...-omalley-misses-blacklivesmatter-wins-n394746
The Aftermath
Sanders and O'Malley were both caught flat footed and their campaign teams let them down at Netroots but the reaction to yesterday's events is still unfolding. O'Malley apologized for his "White Lives Matter" comment within minutes of leaving the forum, and then went on to do interviews with prominent black news outlets to clarify his comments.

Bernie Sanders cancelled all of his remaining meetings that afternoon including one that had been promised specifically with Black Lives Matter activists.​

Awesome, thanks for the link.
 
In this so-called 'relationship', the black voting bloc is what counts. Period. Don't think that 8 years of Obama in the WH hasn't awoken people to that fact. Your man isn't entitled to shit. He can get off his ass and earn the vote, or someone else will.

To Sanders' credit, he seems to be getting it now, big-time. Shame so many of his supports are acting like assclowns and demanding that black people sit down, shut up, and take a backseat to economic (ie. their) issues instead, then engaging in temper tantrums online. That's a huge turn-off, and one that's hurting the very person you're purporting to support.

Let me be clear.

You're being told, "no".
You've been given the reasons why.
You want your man to win? Start listening. Or wither on the vine. That's the great thing about politicians, there will always be another one to take that spot.

Thanks bish. With this, I'm out. I've been going around in circles with this so much I'm getting dizzy.
 

~Devil Trigger~

In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/...-omalley-misses-blacklivesmatter-wins-n394746
The Aftermath
Sanders and O'Malley were both caught flat footed and their campaign teams let them down at Netroots but the reaction to yesterday's events is still unfolding. O'Malley apologized for his "White Lives Matter" comment within minutes of leaving the forum, and then went on to do interviews with prominent black news outlets to clarify his comments.

Bernie Sanders cancelled all of his remaining meetings that afternoon including one that had been promised specifically with Black Lives Matter activists.

So they had a scheduled meeting with him, and they still "disrupted" the Event?! lol

its even worst then I thought
 

Gattsu25

Banned
So they had a scheduled meeting with him, and they still "disrupted" the Event?! lol

its even worst then I thought

Same with O'Malley, who then talked to them.

BLM gets to speak out on a national stage, the candidate gets to clarify his position directly to the activists, and the candidate gets to course correct their campaign before the primaries.

Hooray, everyone wins.




Or is the solution that the group who feels like their speech is being marginalized needs to sit down and shut up?
 

msv

Member
Here are four examples:

Elon James White, Black Guys Who Tip, Charles M. Blow, Goldie Taylor.

All four of their accounts have been flooded with the same type of behavior or worse, some of these examples are still up on twitter.

I've personally dealt with it from friends and strangers alike. A few other black posters probably have too, but I won't speak for them.
What does Sanders have to do with that though? How is he supposed to prevent shitbags like that? You can't prevent protesters like this either. People will do what they do. I guess Sanders can speak out against them, but is it really that bad that it needs it? (you have any examples of how bad this harrassment gets?)

Either way, they're hijacking time from someone who is on their side. If their organization was strides beyond Sanders in accomplishing anything, then I guess they can take it, time better spent then. But as it stands, Sanders is doing alright and is doing just fine in actually gaining a position to affect actual change. Why mess with that with a protest like this? Antagonizing people in your own team. You're supposed to divide the opponent, not yourself.

I think it's a stupid move of them. Protesting is good, but don't start infighting, support people that want to accomplish the same thing - or at the very least, try not to get into each other's way.
 

werks

Banned
In this so-called 'relationship', the black voting bloc is what counts. Period. Don't think that 8 years of Obama in the WH hasn't awoken people to that fact. Your man isn't entitled to shit. He can get off his ass and earn the vote, or someone else will.

To Sanders' credit, he seems to be getting it now, big-time. Shame so many of his supports are acting like assclowns and demanding that black people sit down, shut up, and take a backseat to economic (ie. their) issues instead, then engaging in temper tantrums online. That's a huge turn-off, and one that's hurting the very person you're purporting to support.

Let me be clear.

You're being told, "no".
You've been given the reasons why.
You want your man to win? Start listening. Or wither on the vine. That's the great thing about politicians, there will always be another one to take that spot.

Who's telling black people to take a back seat? He was a guest speaker at a SS/Medicare event. BLM demanded the mic, called the crowd racist and took up all of Bernie's time so he left for his rally without speaking.

There are people who are rightfully upset about this and think there are better ways to engage and organize. BLM isn't immune to criticism for their methods, and accusing everyone who disagrees with BLM's method of diet racism is hell of a way to shit down discussion.
 
So they had a scheduled meeting with him, and they still "disrupted" the Event?! lol

its even worst then I thought
I thought this was organized by Bernies people after the protests. Elon James White said on his podcast Bernies people seeked him and a few others out, scheduled meetings and then cancelled them. O'malley also scheduled and actually met with the black activists that day.
 

YoungHav

Banned
Hillary having better security is a cop out. Show up, challenge her, and get arrested in the process if you're bout it. It's more important that they challenge that corporate shill Hillary.
 

Oogedei

Member
Here are four examples:

Elon James White, Black Guys Who Tip, Charles M. Blow, Goldie Taylor.

All four of their accounts have been flooded with the same type of behavior or worse, some of these examples are still up on twitter.

I've personally dealt with it from friends and strangers alike. A few other black posters probably have too, but I won't speak for them.

I get what you're saying and it's sad that you had to deal with it in your friend circle/ with strangers but I don't think that it's possible to generalize a majority by some Twitter posts. Those posts are bullshit and they have to be called out because of it. Many of them have a terrible agenda. But because of this agenda those posts could be from everyone trying to attack BLM for every controversy. Basing assumptions on these concerning the majority of Sanders supporters doesn't seem to be the right way for me. There are supporters with this opinion for sure and they have to called out too of course.
 
They were offered time to speak and they kept squealing about how they were being silenced.

Why should people that accused the crowd of being 'white supremacists' be given a voice?

I suggest you watch the video.

So? If he can't handle hecklers, he can't handle being President. it's very clear he'd be bending over backwards for every suit in washington.
 

Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
I've seen a few non-black minorities in my circle say that if blacks are protesting Bernie, he must not be the candidate for them and how dare any non-blacks try to explain why Bernie would be in their best interests. Followed by reasons why Clinton would.

That's exactly what I'm afraid of. I can see why hilldawg stans are jubilant tho.
 
In this so-called 'relationship', the black voting bloc is what counts. Period. Don't think that 8 years of Obama in the WH hasn't awoken people to that fact. Your man isn't entitled to shit. He can get off his ass and earn the vote, or someone else will.

To Sanders' credit, he seems to be getting it now, big-time. Shame so many of his supports are acting like assclowns and demanding that black people sit down, shut up, and take a backseat to economic (ie. their) issues instead, then engaging in temper tantrums online. That's a huge turn-off, and one that's hurting the very person you're purporting to support.

Let me be clear.

You're being told, "no".
You've been given the reasons why.
You want your man to win? Start listening. Or wither on the vine. That's the great thing about politicians, there will always be another one to take that spot.

See, here's the thing: Bernie isn't "my" man. I don't think he'll win the nom, and even if he got that far I don't think he has any more of a shot at the Office than Trump. And for that reason alone I'm fairly (and mostly gladly) behind Clinton. My eyes are on the USSC anyway.

I recognize what he has done, though. I recognize the work he has put in, his sincerity, his voting record, his actions (that speak louder than any words any other politician have tossed around). All of this marks him as an ally, which anyone who has bothered to pay attention to him would immediately know. Shouting him down serves absolutely no purpose. He has "earned" the support of black voters more than any other candidate running for President right now. Try to say otherwise.

And don't kid yourself: Bernie Sanders doesn't have to worry about being shot while driving/walking/being white. The random black voter who desperately needs someone in office who can address this shit does, though. Even if we don't "need" him specifically we do need someone damn near just like him.

I'm as black as they come, and frankly I'm fucking embarrassed by how BLM has behaved. It's ok to critique how a movement is being pushed and even feel negatively about it while still agreeing with the principles it was founded on. Most people in this thread don't seem to grasp this, however. So we have pages and pages of every one getting overly defensive at what is very clearly a bad protest.

I spent the debate night amused as all get out watching the Tea Party devour Fox and the GOP after their hit on Trump. "Look at them, they're eating themselves alive. lol!"

I guess this is what that feels like on the left.
 

werks

Banned
So? If he can't handle hecklers, he can't handle being President. it's very clear he'd be bending over backwards for every suit in washington.
You are absolutely right about this. He should do what Hillary is doing and take industrial prison lobby money so he can hire better security and make sure BLM doesn't get anywhere near his events.
 
How is race relations with blacks and Biden? From my point of view, it's quite positive and more so than Hillary, but I'm not too sure if it's just my friends. If Biden decides to run, I can actually see him hurting Hillary. He can easily debate her with the laws her and her husband made that made things difficult for blacks.

Sanders REALLY needs to create a plan and SHOW his support for the movement. I agree that it's quite hard for him, especially after the this incident, but he needs to do something, otherwise there's going to be a further divide between blacks and Sanders and make their votes go to Hillary, who is the OPPOSITE of helping blacks, unless it helps her politically.

It just makes me sick to see some of the BLM members go after Sanders and not after Hillary. I can't believe no one in the mainstream news are bringing up her record with regards to this and creates this false narrative that she's for "equality".
 
Hillary having better security is a cop out. Show up, challenge her, and get arrested in the process if you're bout it. It's more important that they challenge that corporate shill Hillary.

Ever have a supervisor that tells you to do something he won't do himself? Don't be that guy.
 

Trey

Member
Black voters don't need someone who will sincerely champion their causes? They don't need someone opposed to police brutality? The prison industry?

How does this street not go both ways?

black people will need all those sentiments from more that just Bernie. Black people needs America at large to see their suffering and take real action toward stopping and reversing this state of affairs.

And the issue is that so many liberals and progressives easily slip into implicit or explicit racism when black people don't voice their grievances "the right way." Almost as if they were looking for any reason to not have to pretend to acknowledge the BLM movement.
 
How is race relations with blacks and Biden? From my point of view, it's quite positive and more so than Hillary, but I'm not too sure if it's just my friends. If Biden decides to run, I can actually see him hurting Hillary. He can easily debate her with the laws her and her husband made that made things difficult for blacks.

Sanders REALLY needs to create a plan and SHOW his support for the movement. I agree that it's quite hard for him, especially after the this incident, but he needs to do something, otherwise there's going to be a further divide between blacks and Sanders and make their votes go to Hillary, who is the OPPOSITE of helping blacks, unless it helps her politically.

He already is, but people keep saying that he isn't. Since Netroots he's been very outspoken about racial issues in America beyond economical ones and his campaign has done a good job of recruiting staff to help further cement this issue as an important one. The problem right now is that everyone is editorializing like Bernie doesn't care about black people or keeps leaving the stage when protests like this happen even though A) this wasn't his event, B) he let the protesters speak despite the apparent hesitation of the one's actually running this event and stayed for quite some time listening before he had to go to his actual rally.
 
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