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[alstein]

Elizabeth Warren? Or could we not handle that unified ticket?



Pardon my language, but fuck her. She tried to bury him a few weeks ago by calling him "extreme" in his positions. She's totally on the Hillary camp.

Didn't know that about McCaskill- I just heard her yesterday on the radio and felt like she was like Kay Hagan, who I have a lot of respect for, and Bernie I think would need someone more moderate.

Warren would be closer than Bernie is to Hillary right now. She wanted to stay in the Senate- otherwise she would have ran (and I still wish she had). She wouldn't accept a VP spot.

I'm not going to slam a Dem for supporting Hillary- even if I dislike her, she's nowhere near as bad as the Republicans.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

for VP Jim Webb or Claire McCaskill I think would be solid choices for Bernie. If Kay Hagan had won I'd say she would be a solid pick (VA/NC would be a must for Bernie in a general)

I know folks are worried about the minority vote- but what swing states would a lower black turnout hurt Bernie in the most, and would he be helped by a larger percentage of the white vote (Bernie WILL do better among whites than Obama, and probably Hillary)

I think Cory Booker would be a solid choice. He's fairly young, would likely attract a lot of the dem base that Bernie has a harder time getting, is fairly progressive in his own right and would then be a fantastic candidate to run in 2024. The only downside is that he wouldn't do much to turn any swing states, but he would definitely solidify leads in every lean-democrat state and that's really all that's needed.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

27,000 people showed up! I fucking love this man!

 

[pa22word]

I think Cory Booker would be a solid choice. He's fairly young, would likely attract a lot of the dem base that Bernie has a harder time getting, is fairly progressive in his own right and would then be a fantastic candidate to run in 2024. The only downside is that he wouldn't do much to turn any swing states, but he would definitely solidify leads in every lean-democrat state and that's really all that's needed.

He's too young, really.

No way a US senator in his mid 40s takes a dive like that for the team. The odds he can pull off a VP > POTUS run are pretty slim historically, and if he fails in that where does he go? He would have essentially wasted the biggest years of his carrier sitting in the corner twiddling his thumbs (assuming a two term pres). More likely he waits for the chips to fall and maybe takes a cabinet spot, if anything.

 

[alstein]

I think Cory Booker would be a solid choice. He's fairly young, would likely attract a lot of the dem base that Bernie has a harder time getting, is fairly progressive in his own right and would then be a fantastic candidate to run in 2024. The only downside is that he wouldn't do much to turn any swing states, but he would definitely solidify leads in every lean-democrat state and that's really all that's needed.

To get real change, it's gonna take more than another 51% win, it's going to take winning states like North Carolina, Georgia, and eventually maybe Texas. All 51% guarantees is four years of a frustrated Bernie.

 

[inm8num2]

I wonder what Hillary's team is thinking.

 

[Extra Sauce]

Didn't say he was racist just, he took a whole minute to go around the town for a simple yes or no question. That spoke volumes to me.

Yeah I hate nuance and clarity as well.

We need a president with a more simplistic, binary vision of the world. Someone like W Bush, perhaps?

 

[freeofgreed]

They keep getting BIGGER!

But... He's not a contender, right? /s

Eh i'm all for Bernie but him getting huge draws in super liberal cities like Seattle and Portland still doesn't convince me that he has a legitimate shot, if he's not drawing a Lot of moderates his chances are still slim.

 

[Effect]

I wonder what Hillary's team is thinking.

Perhaps that this is Oregon. If he pulls crowds like this in Cali, Florida, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Virginia, hell Hawaii, etc then Hillary Clinton's team might be concerned. In super white and liberal Oregan though or Washington state? Isn't this like a Republican pulling similar crowds in Texas or Alabama? Impressive but are they really a threat in the larger sense?

I will say this though I do wish Hillary would hold more events. I can understand why when we have a year to go and anything she says will be picked apart for the new cycle and not on the merit of the statement just because she is Hillary Clinton. What's important right now is likely fundraising. Which likely will be needed regardless of message. I am confident in her though ultimately because she has a lot of Obama's past team working on her team now. Would be feel better if his team wholesale jumped to her but maybe some are holding out to see with Biden does?

 

[Interfectum]

They keep getting BIGGER!

But... He's not a contender, right? /s

Heh, seems those smug "Bernie has no chance, fans are delusional, howard dean part 2" posts from the past couple months are getting more and more infrequent.

 

[Days like these...]

Stahp. Bernie pulled 8k and 11k in Houston and dallas. He has support in conservative states and minorities too I say this as a Latino in Texas. Maybe some you guys get out of your white enclaves and realize that?

 

[Flo_Evans]

I'm hoping he comes to St. Louis.

https://secure.berniesanders.com/page/event/create

Looks like there is zero going on here. Missouri is really not a "primary" state.

Just donated, I'd be interested in going to a volunteer meeting to see what I can do...

 

[HarryKS]

Stahp. Bernie pulled 8k and 11k in Houston and dallas. He has support in conservative states and minorities too I say this as a Latino in Texas. Maybe some you guys get out of your white enclaves and realize that?

Are you saying that he has a good chance?

 

[Days like these...]

Are you saying that he has a good chance?

I'm saying stop the narrative that he has no support outside of white liberals. He has a better chance than most are giving him.

 

[Jhriad]

Stahp. Bernie pulled 8k and 11k in Houston and dallas. He has support in conservative states and minorities too I say this as a Latino in Texas. Maybe some you guys get out of your white enclaves and realize that?

Houston and Dallas both vote Democrat in primary elections. They're not conservative bases in Texas. Practically none of the large Texas cities are. The state has just been so thoroughly gerrymandered by the Republicans that most folks wouldn't know it.

 

[Days like these...]

Houston and Dallas both vote Democrat in primary elections. They're not conservative bases in Texas. Practically none of the large Texas cities are. The state has just been so thoroughly gerrymandered by the Republicans that most folks wouldn't know it.

I live in Houston I know we're blue but I also know people from small conservative towns south of here drove into Houston to see Bernie. Like I said drop the narrative that he only has support among white liberals.

 

[lednerg]

Are you saying that he has a good chance?

It doesn't matter what his chances are. The more popular he gets, the more seriously people will take him, and the further to the left Hillary will have to shift her platform. The message to the DNC needs to be that we don't want a centrist. Obama's approval ratings have bumped up ever since he found his nuts in December and stood up to the GOP, and we need that from our next president.

 

[Interfectum]

It doesn't matter what his chances are. The more popular he gets, the more seriously people will take him, and the further to the left Hillary will have to shift her platform. The message to the DNC needs to be that we don't want a centrist. Obama's approval ratings have bumped up ever since he found his nuts in December and stood up to the GOP, and we need that from our next president.

Bingo. Support Bernie until he wins or loses and the democrat party will be better for it.

 

[rokkerkory]

Kinda not sure Bernie's stance on immigration reform?

Path to citizen ship?

Safer boarders?

honest question, this is where I might differ from the average democrat.

 

[JustenP88]

Kinda not sure Bernie's stance on immigration reform?

Path to citizen ship?

Safer boarders?

honest question, this is where I might differ from the average democrat.

He mentioned path to citizenship and something else I can't recall last night. Something about 11 million people no longer living in fear.

 

[ChaosXVI]

I think the fact that he has been an independent for so long will actually help give Bernie some credit with moderate Republicans, even while running as a democrat. I know many people who are giving him a shot simply because he's not "just another Democrat" and there are no moderate Republicans in the race with any real chance of winning.

Now I don't really understand it...as Bernie is much further left than Hillary, but I guess it counts for something.

 

[Abinash117]

I live in Houston I know we're blue but I also know people from small conservative towns south of here drove into Houston to see Bernie. Like I said drop the narrative that he only has support among white liberals.

A big majority of his support is from white liberals, obviously every candidate is going to have some people that is not from their main base. The narrative is mostly right going by the polls, knowing were his rallies are, and looking at the crowd sometimes.

Kinda not sure Bernie's stance on immigration reform?

Path to citizen ship?

Safer boarders?

honest question, this is where I might differ from the average democrat.

So far I as know he mainly focuses on economic issues, but he does support the typical left view on other matters. I don't think he formed his on plan yet, besides giving support to better immigration.

 

[rokkerkory]

He mentioned path to citizenship and something else I can't recall last night. Something about 11 million people no longer living in fear.

Yeah I recall that as well thanks but was looking for next level details.

I am totally cool with giving those existing here a path to citizenship / resident status, etc but what about protecting our borders?

 

[Days like these...]

A big majority of his support is from white liberals, obviously every candidate is going to have some people that is not from their main base. The narrative is mostly right going by the polls, knowing were his rallies are, and looking at the crowd sometimes.

From 'He has no support outside of white liberals!' to 'A big majority of his support is from white liberals.' Keep moving them goalposts

 

[HarryKS]

I'm saying stop the narrative that he has no support outside of white liberals. He has a better chance than most are giving him.

To be clear, I was just asking.

I wasn't sure towards whom your post was directed at.

I'm with you on that one. I think a lot of people are.

It doesn't matter what his chances are. The more popular he gets, the more seriously people will take him, and the further to the left Hillary will have to shift her platform. The message to the DNC needs to be that we don't want a centrist. Obama's approval ratings have bumped up ever since he found his nuts in December and stood up to the GOP, and we need that from our next president.

Yeah, yeah. Was just asking. Wasn't sure what the statement meant.

 

[eBay Huckster]

From 'He has no support outside of white liberals!' to 'A big majority of his support is from white liberals.' Keep moving them goalposts

you're right, Abinash and others should just ignore statistics and say what feels like it's accurate based on that one rally they went to

 

[inm8num2]

Jesse Ventura and Henry Rollins talk the election and Sanders

edit - eh, they barely talk about the election and Sanders...

 

[Days like these...]

you're right, Abinash and others should just ignore statistics and say what feels like it's accurate based on that one rally they went to

Where did I say ignore polls? People are very clearly moving the goal posts from he has no support outside of white liberals to a large part of his support comes from white liberals. Maybe you too should leave your white enclave and mix it up with the black and brown folk and realize he has support in our communities and its growing everyday.

 

[Days like these...]

First photo is of diverse crowd in LA
https://twitter.com/yamphoto/status/630938530999439360

Second photo is of Latino immigrants for Bernie
https://twitter.com/yamphoto/status/630950750332391424

 

[Moofers]

Jesse Ventura and Henry Rollins talk the election and Sanders

edit - eh, they barely talk about the election and Sanders...

Yeah but its there. I appreciate the link! I am a big fan of Henry Rollins and I do enjoy Jesse Ventura even though I don't always agree with him. The important part is we've got two more people with dedicated audiences who have said they back Bernie. Awesome!

 

[Abinash117]

Where did I say ignore polls? People are very clearly moving the goal posts from he has no support outside of white liberals to a large part of his support comes from white liberals. Maybe you too should leave your white enclave and mix it up with the black and brown folk and realize he has support in our communities and its growing everyday.

I not moving dem goalpoats. People say he has no support outside from white liberal and others say he has very little; all of them are right because having some very minority support of other groups is basically ' having no support from other groups beside white college kids'. I'm just being technical because most polls show he has very little support outside white liberals, that's why I said big majority . He basically have as much support from minorities has much as Republicans candidates do which is might as well be nonexistent.

 

[kris.]

woah, Rollins is backing Bernsie? fucking awesome.

 

[torta_smasher]

First photo is of diverse crowd in LA
https://twitter.com/yamphoto/status/630938530999439360

Second photo is of Latino immigrants for Bernie
https://twitter.com/yamphoto/status/630950750332391424

I hope he can get the majority Latino vote away from Hillary. I think he can for sure get the black vote but a lot of my fellow Latinos fall in the Clinton camp.

 

[Blader]

I think Cory Booker would be a solid choice. He's fairly young, would likely attract a lot of the dem base that Bernie has a harder time getting, is fairly progressive in his own right and would then be a fantastic candidate to run in 2024. The only downside is that he wouldn't do much to turn any swing states, but he would definitely solidify leads in every lean-democrat state and that's really all that's needed.

I'd prefer not. Booker is too much a transparent ladder-climber for me to be on board with him.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Where did I say ignore polls? People are very clearly moving the goal posts from he has no support outside of white liberals to a large part of his support comes from white liberals. Maybe you too should leave your white enclave and mix it up with the black and brown folk and realize he has support in our communities and its growing everyday.

 

[Arkeband]

Where do these poll numbers come from? Are people being cold called every day or something?

 

[Jhriad]

Like I said drop the narrative that he only has support among white liberals.

Slow your roll. I never made any statements about demographics, just pointed out that some support should be expected in major metro areas around Texas.

 

[Jack Remington]

I'd really like to see more H2H poll numbers between Bernie and the GOP candidates.

After watching his LA rally, I really think he can win this thing.

 

[Indicate]

Great job updating the OP, OP!

So exciting to see Bernie gaining all this traction! I was hoping he'd announce a run for some time before he actually announced. I'm so pleased to see this happening!

Thanks. I updated the OP again, but with major changes. I felt it needed a new look.

 

[lednerg]

Thanks. I updated the OP again, but with major changes. I felt it needed a new look.

It really looks great! Just one suggestion, though. I think maybe you should change the YouTube links to something like goo.gl or tinyurl.com links. This is because people on mobile devices, or who have the ytma extension installed, are going to see embedded videos on the page which messes up the formatting. Other than that, it's slick as hell.

 

[Indicate]

It really looks great! Just one suggestion, though. I think maybe you should change the YouTube links to something like goo.gl or tinyurl.com links. This is because people on mobile devices, or who have the ytma extension installed, are going to see embedded videos on the page which messes up the formatting. Other than that, it's slick as hell.

Ok, thanks for bringing that up. I'll work on it. Other suggestions are welcomed as well. I think sending me a pm in the future is best for these.

Edit: Finished making the changes.

 

[alstein]

http://www.bostonherald.com/news_op...s_surges_ahead_of_hillary_clinton_in_nh_44_37

First poll I've seen putting Bernie ahead of Hillary somewhere.

That said, Bernie still has a long way to go, but there's a good bit of time, and there could always be a surprise that nails Hillary from a scandal or seven...

 

[Indicate]

http://www.bostonherald.com/news_op...s_surges_ahead_of_hillary_clinton_in_nh_44_37

First poll I've seen putting Bernie ahead of Hillary somewhere.

That said, Bernie still has a long way to go, but there's a good bit of time, and there could always be a surprise that nails Hillary from a scandal or seven...

They mentioned this poll on CNN. After the commercial break that's on right now, they're going to talk about Bernie and Trump. I really believe Bernie has a real shot.

 

[alstein]

From 'He has no support outside of white liberals!' to 'A big majority of his support is from white liberals.' Keep moving them goalposts

The question is why are minorities sticking with Hillary? I suspect much of it is Bill, who has an undeservedly good reputation with minorities.

Bernie is far from having a real shot, but it isn't 0. HIllary is going to have to stumble at some point, but Hillary does have feet of clay.

A big reason for my opposition to Hillary is because I think she can lose the general election a lot easier than Bernie can.

 

[DarkFlow]

http://www.bostonherald.com/news_op...s_surges_ahead_of_hillary_clinton_in_nh_44_37

First poll I've seen putting Bernie ahead of Hillary somewhere.

That said, Bernie still has a long way to go, but there's a good bit of time, and there could always be a surprise that nails Hillary from a scandal or seven...

People still falling for this poll? kek

 

[gazele]

The question is why are minorities sticking with Hillary? I suspect much of it is Bill, who has an undeservedly good reputation with minorities.

Bernie is far from having a real shot, but it isn't 0. HIllary is going to have to stumble at some point, but Hillary does have feet of clay.

A big reason for my opposition to Hillary is because I think she can lose the general election a lot easier than Bernie can.

Genuinely curious why you think she's more likely to lose the General Election

 

[titiklabingapat]

The question is why are minorities sticking with Hillary? I suspect much of it is Bill, who has an undeservedly good reputation with minorities.

Bernie is far from having a real shot, but it isn't 0. HIllary is going to have to stumble at some point, but Hillary does have feet of clay.

A big reason for my opposition to Hillary is because I think she can lose the general election a lot easier than Bernie can.

She has Obama's team behind her. It can be as simple as having specific videos for each coalition voter all shown up on her site (look at both Bernie and Hillary's youtube homepage...Hillary's is more diverse), or simply wooing minority congress members then endorsing her to direct contacts or presence in minority neighborhoods (aka as ground game). All these carefully curated set of images and structural advantage largely stem from having money and they all add up. It's not any one thing.

 

[facelike]

She has Obama's team behind her. It can be as simple as having specific videos for each coalition voter all shown up on her site, or simply wooing minority congress members and endorsing her to direct contacts or presence in minority neighborhoods (aka as ground game). All these carefully curated set of images and structural advantage largely stem from having money and they all add up. It's not any one thing.

It's due to people not being familiar with him. If the debates happen and Bernie has a good showing, all of this would likely change. We won't know cause the debates are coming late for the Dems.

 

[Indicate]

Anyone here going to the Washington Mall rally in October? 59,000 people are confirmed to being going so far in the facebook event.

 

[Gorger]

He'd have my vote. If I was American.