US Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders rallies |OT|

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At least we can hold the party hostage at the convention, make sure Bernie's ideas are infused into Hillary's campaign

Hold the line, guys

Remember, it's not the GE yet, ignore trump

Keep bernstorming, rallying, protesting. Let's beat down corporate media once and for all, let's frame the debate.

Ninja shit
 
Tesseract said:
At least we can hold the party hostage at the convention, make sure Bernie's ideas are infused into Hillary's campaign
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That's fine. Although your ability to "hold the party hostage" is limited since Hillary doesn't need any of your delegates to secure the nomination on the first ballot. Bernie's leverage is limited unless he wants to risk an actual fascist becoming the next president of the US. Bernie will get some concessions for the sake of party unity, which shouldn't affect the fall campaign much since this will be a general election completely void of actual policy ideas, given who our opponent is.
 
Republic of Ezo said:
That's fine. Although your ability to "hold the party hostage" is limited since Hillary doesn't need any of your delegates to secure the nomination on the first ballot. Bernie's leverage is limited unless he wants to risk an actual fascist becoming the next president of the US. Bernie will get some concessions for the sake of party unity, which shouldn't affect the fall campaign much since this will be a general election completely void of actual policy ideas, given who our opponent is.
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Well he's already said he's gonna be asking for some radical stuff, guess we'll see.
 
Tesseract said:
Well he's already said he's gonna be asking for some radical stuff, guess we'll see.
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He won't get Medicare-for-All but probably support for the Public Option, could ask for marijuana legalization but I don't think that's actually a big thing for Bernie (I always got the sense that he was just doing it for college voters). Maybe he could get opposition to the TPP, but Hillary already came out against that and her opposition is meaningless. The treaty is going to pass in the lame duck session no matter what. Obama wants it and the Republicans want it, so it will get done.

What else could he ask for?
 
Republic of Ezo said:
He's currently down 43% against her in New York (where I live). My entire family is voting for her except my dad (a rabid Trump supporter who thankfully refuses to vote).

Cali he's down about 8%. He's also down 6% in Wisconsin, 32% in Maryland, 25% in Pennsylvania, and 25% in New Jersey.
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So instead of saying how much he would lose by you are quoting polling numbers?
 
Las7 said:
So instead of saying how much he would lose by you are quoting polling numbers?
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I mean....wouldnt he use the polling numbers to determine how much he's gonna lose by?
What else is there?

Really, Please influence me since I thought thats how we usually do it
 
Most important things he can do for the rest of the campaign:

1. get progressive-leaning (not Democratic-specific!) party ground infrastructure built up in the remaining primary states. They have a chance to be a force going forward.

2. continue to subtly (and sometimes not so subtly) call the Democratic establishment on their bullshit. Continue to drive the point home (to young voters in particular) that the Democratic party can do a much, much better job than it's been doing, and that it's possible to hold them accountable.

I imagine he already knows this... if he stays in through the end it's because he's trying to change the future of the party. (it's why I hope he does stay in until the end)


Now if we could get someone sane on the right to run an insurgent campaign on the Republicans in 2020... I don't ask for much!
 
foxuzamaki said:
I mean....wouldnt he use the polling numbers to determine how much he's gonna lose by?
What else is there?

Really, Please influence me since I thought thats how we usually do it
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Sanders tends to outperform polls (I think), but it's still the best estimate we have.
 
Las7 said:
So instead of saying how much he would lose by you are quoting polling numbers?
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I can't predict exactly how those numbers will swing in the future. But it seems fair to say that he'll lose New York, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey by a significant amount, and Hillary is slightly favored to win both Wisconsin and California. These are the biggest states remaining.

Remember, Bernie needs about 58% of the total vote going forward. But larger states factor much more heavily toward that total vote - if Bernie won Washington, say, 58% to 42%, but then lost New York by 42% to Hillary's 58%, Hillary would gain roughly 7% more delegates. She would take 53.5% of total delegates in those states to 46.5% for Bernie (which is not only below 58% but is closer to 42% than 58%).
 
Republic of Ezo said:
He won't get Medicare-for-All but probably support for the Public Option, could ask for marijuana legalization but I don't think that's actually a big thing for Bernie (I always got the sense that he was just doing it for college voters). Maybe he could get opposition to the TPP, but Hillary already came out against that and her opposition is meaningless. The treaty is going to pass in the lame duck session no matter what. Obama wants it and the Republicans want it, so it will get done.

What else could he ask for?
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more ssi money to help families afford the aca/bills/whatever, infrastructure revitalization, stuff like that

poor people need a bail out right now
 
Elfforkusu said:
Most important things he can do for the rest of the campaign:

1. get progressive-leaning (not Democratic-specific!) party ground infrastructure built up in the remaining primary states. They have a chance to be a force going forward.

2. continue to subtly (and sometimes not so subtly) call the Democratic establishment on their bullshit. Continue to drive the point home (to young voters in particular) that the Democratic party can do a much, much better job than it's been doing, and that it's possible to hold them accountable.

I imagine he already knows this... if he stays in through the end it's because he's trying to change the future of the party. (it's why I hope he does stay in until the end)


Now if we could get someone sane on the right to run an insurgent campaign on the Republicans in 2020... I don't ask for much!
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Absolutely.

I don't understand Dems who basically want him to leave the race and go away. Having him keep on things like UHC, UCE, climate change, citizen's united is what we need. Hell, if all he does is keep Hillary honest, then I hope he stays in until the convention.
 
Tesseract said:
more ssi money to help families afford the aca/bills/whatever, infrastructure revitalization, stuff like that

poor people need a bail out right now
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I don't see why Hillary would be against any of that. Help give her a Democratic supermajority in the Senate and control of the House and I'm sure she'd be onboard. Hell, Bernie can sponsor the bills himself.
 
Republic of Ezo said:
I can't predict exactly how those numbers will swing in the future. But it seems fair to say that he'll lose New York, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey by a significant amount, and Hillary is slightly favored to win both Wisconsin and California. These are the biggest states remaining.

Remember, Bernie needs about 58% of the total vote going forward. But larger states factor much more heavily toward that total vote - if Bernie won Washington, say, 58% to 42%, but then lost New York by 42% to Hillary's 58%, Hillary would gain roughly 7% more delegates. She would take 53.5% of total delegates in those states to 46.5% for Bernie (which is not only below 58% but is closer to 42% than 58%).
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We shall see, I'm very aware of the delegate math.
I just found your certainty that Hills is going to win NY and CA based on polling done weeks ahead of NY and months ahead of Cali interesting.
 
Las7 said:
We shall see, I'm very aware of the delegate math.
I just found your certainty that Hills is going to win NY and CA based on polling done weeks ahead of NY and months ahead of Cali interesting.
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I'm far more certain about New York than I am about California. But Hillary has shown strength among African American and Latino voters who make up more than 40% of the vote out there, so I'd venture that a good chunk of her vote is pretty inelastic. Bernie would have to win Whites by an overwhelming margin in order just to eke out a win in that state, let alone get the 58% he needs. And by the time California votes that 58% number is going to be higher...

I'd expect that much of Silicon Valley and the more conservative Whites in San Diego would support Hillary over Bernie by a significant margin, and Hillary is likely to win Los Angeles by a large amount. I just can't see Bernie making up that deficit.
 
SomewhatGroovy said:
Sorry, I should have dropped this here instead of PoliGAF.

Someone refers to Bernie as the socialist. How do you clearly and simply explain the distinction between a Socialist and a Democratic Socialist?
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I just retort back by saying that I'd rather have a socialist than the anti-social warhawks that we have as alternatives.
 
SomewhatGroovy said:
Sorry, I should have dropped this here instead of PoliGAF.

Someone refers to Bernie as the socialist. How do you clearly and simply explain the distinction between a Socialist and a Democratic Socialist?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_(disambiguation)

I think the simple answer is just to make that differentiation in the first place, but maybe to change the term you referred to there as socialism to instead "communism". So -- communist socialism vs. democratic socialism, and explain how the two are very different ideas for very different societies.

Also -- think you meant to write "seize" in your last post, not "cease".
 
SomewhatGroovy said:
Sorry, I should have dropped this here instead of PoliGAF.

Someone refers to Bernie as the socialist. How do you clearly and simply explain the distinction between a Socialist and a Democratic Socialist?
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I occasionally lurk Poligaf, but all the Bernie hating has me kinda down. How'd they react?
 
SomewhatGroovy said:
Sorry, I should have dropped this here instead of PoliGAF.

Someone refers to Bernie as the socialist. How do you clearly and simply explain the distinction between a Socialist and a Democratic Socialist?
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First, for anyone who's not aware, C-Span (2) is broadcasting live coverage of Bernie's South Bronx rally, from 7:00 P.M EST.

On your question, although it doesn't directly compare the two, I think my segment on this, from an un-published flyer, covers this quite nicely (aimed at someone who may not even know Bernie, where the bolding, re-added from the flyer, was to allow someone to pick up the key points, without having to read the whole blurb):

Daniel B· said:
Despite what you might have have heard, Senator Bernie Sanders, who is running on the Democratic ticket for President of the United States, is not a "socialist", he is a Democratic Socialist, or true progressive, in the spirit of Franklin D. Roosevelt, and believes in a well regulated capitalist economy, but he also believes in, and would strengthen, our great "social" programs, such as Social Security, Medicare / Medicaid, and our Interstate Highways. Together with almost all Americans, including many with a conservative outlook, he would also fight against all forms of crony-capitalism, where some sectors of industry are given an undue advantage, such as the long standing tax breaks for the hugely profitable Big Oil & Gas. He is not against providing tax incentives, to encourage investment in certain areas, such as in our battle against Global Warming, but only while it remains beneficial to the American people or economy, and not solely to boost the profits of corporations.
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Full video of #BernieInTheBronx, including Rosario Dawson, Spike Lee, and Residente:

http://www.c-span.org/video/?407458-1/bernie-sanders-campaign-rally-south-bronx

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Those shots are of the overflow crowd that couldn't get in. Bernie addressed them before the main event.

EDIT: Found the original video source
 
googleplex said:
If Hillary's camp pulled something like this, Sander supporters would be burning her in effigy.
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lol probably.
It seems like its just the system in place for nevada(any caucus state?). Sanders having the more "enthusiastic" supporters and them showing up in greater numbers to the convention worked in has favor.

I look forward to seeing how the retro-mentum from this win affects retro-tuesdays results. Lmao.
 
"Meanwhile, Sanders’ event schedule was filling up, with Sanders scheduling high-profile rallies at major locations throughout the city, including in downtown Brooklyn and Manhattan, and some outdoors. Sanders received a difficult-to-obtain permit for a high-profile rally in a coveted Manhattan space on the evening of April 14 which has yet to be publicly announced."
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Please be Central Park please be Central Park please be Central Park
 
NotBacon said:
"Meanwhile, Sanders’ event schedule was filling up, with Sanders scheduling high-profile rallies at major locations throughout the city, including in downtown Brooklyn and Manhattan, and some outdoors. Sanders received a difficult-to-obtain permit for a high-profile rally in a coveted Manhattan space on the evening of April 14 which has yet to be publicly announced."
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Please be Central Park please be Central Park please be Central Park
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It'll be Central Park, and Simon and Garfunkel's reunion squared will open the event. In the middle of Sounds of Silence, Bernie will come out, and they will strum and sing softly behind him as he speaks. And the skies will fill with rainbows, and a thousand sparrows will take flight. And the nation will be healed, and President Bernie will lead us to the promised land, where there is national health care for all, and to all a good night.
 
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