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[MogCakes]

So are the police shutting them down? If a group of rapists are getting together to share plans on how to rape and get away with it, why aren't the police involved? Why isn't this guy rotting in a cell? I'm trying to find evidence of him raping or inciting violence and I haven't found any. Could it be that the police can't find anything either?

Has anyone contacted them?

This isn't the states, Canada actually has very strict laws dealing with a person verbally (or written) inciting violence.

I like that you resort to extreme conclusions and word twisting to try and discredit me. Do you have a point besides being pointlessly contrarian?

 

[aeolist]

Nah. The idea is moronic don't get me wrong, but he isn't advocating that rape is okay. That wasn't the point he was making.

http://www.rooshv.com/i-am-a-rapist

now again he is being sarcastic and he doesn't actually believe he is a rapist, but he basically is. roosh v is the kind of guy who does not believe in the very existence of something like date rape, and he thinks coercing someone into sex is totally OK.

he's not assaulting women in alleyways or threatening them physically (as far as i know anyway) but that's not what most rape is anyway. by any reasonable standard of rape (non-consensual sex acts) he is a rapist and thinks rape is fine.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

PUAs used to be kinda funny and relatively harmless characters like this guy.

Seems the rhetoric have gotten more extreme of late.

Some history on how the whole PUA went from a corny joke to a lowkey hate group in less than a decade.

Some PUA teacher named Roissey figured out that those same guys they we're giving advice too (and usually charging $$$) on how to "game" women actually were full of hate and resentment toward women in general because those women weren't just empty headed sex toys who would fall for "game".

So Roissey changed his name to Heartiste (or something similar) and started preaching a mix of conservative politics, women hate, and homophobia/racism and became more popular than ever. A lot of the other teachers of "game" (Roosh among them) saw that success and just copied and pasted the whole thing. Once that happened it wasn't long before the PUA movement became the equivalent of those fucked reddit groups that just got banned from reddit. So for all intent and purposes PUA started at the bottom but somehow because even lower as a community.

Also ROK was a clickbait site but then it became their actual views on women once they realized it was drawing a crowd. Roosh and his ilk do this stuff to convince no class assholes to buy their books to learn how to con women instead of how to learn how to just be more confidant and accept rejection.

 

[Cizeta-Moroder]

If you're struggling with dating, there is some great stuff out there for men outside of the PUA garbage.

I like Models by Mark Manson.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005EOTH24/?tag=neogaf0e-20

But sadly many of these PUAs are peddling terrible advice.

But reading GAF and many other online communities, there is definitely a need for good dating advice.

Ehh, I can't imagine dating advice being "good". It's inherently rapey. Those in need of some kind of advice should just accept their place.

 

[HarryKS]

Ehh, I can't imagine dating advice being "good". It's inherently rapey. Those in need of some kind of advice should just accept their place.

Wtf.

I'm down with the 'law of the jungle' part to an extent.


But inherently rapey? The heck are you on about?

 

[gdt]

Ehh, I can't imagine dating advice being "good". It's inherently rapey. Those in need of some kind of advice should just accept their place.

This is silly. Most normal dating advice has more to do with being the best version of yourself and being more confident etc, not tricking someone into fucking you like the human garbage this thread is about.

 

[jstripes]

I've noticed this idiot being mentioned in my Twitter feed, most recently by city councillor Norm Kelley.

Most of the people who jump in to defend him, invoking "free speech", have "gamer" somewhere in their Twitter profile.

This fucking culture overlap.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

I've noticed this idiot being mentioned in my Twitter feed, most recently by city councillor Norm Kelley.

Most of the people who jump in to defend him, invoking "free speech", have "gamer" somewhere in their Twitter profile.

This fucking culture overlap.

Yeah, looking at the responses to his tweet about this felt like looking at GG twitter shit all over again.

 

[Corronchilejano]

Ehh, I can't imagine dating advice being "good". It's inherently rapey. Those in need of some kind of advice should just accept their place.

Usually dating advice focuses on working on your strengths and giving you more self confidence. Nothing rapey about that.

Also, "accept their place"... do you have self esteem issues brah?

 

[Cizeta-Moroder]

This is silly. Most normal dating advice has more to do with being the best version of yourself and being more confident etc, not tricking someone into fucking you like the human garbage this thread is about.

Usually dating advice focuses on working on your strengths and giving you more self confidence. Nothing rapey about that.

Then it is "being decent person" advice. If it comes with the expectation of sex, it's fake and malicious trickery.
There's not much value in straight white male sexuality, especially if it's something to be "trained". Majority of male population isn't adequate for consensual sex. Unfortunately, society being built around their "needs" is why we have rape culture.

Also, "accept their place"... do you have self esteem issues brah?

Yes, but shifting the blame onto others is the worst thing I could do about it.

 

[Messofanego]

Some history on how the whole PUA went from a corny joke to a lowkey hate group in less than a decade.

Some PUA teacher named Roissey figured out that those same guys they we're giving advice too (and usually charging $$$) on how to "game" women actually were full of hate and resentment toward women in general because those women weren't just empty headed sex toys who would fall for "game".

So Roissey changed his name to Heartiste (or something similar) and started preaching a mix of conservative politics, women hate, and homophobia/racism and became more popular than ever. A lot of the other teachers of "game" (Roosh among them) saw that success and just copied and pasted the whole thing. Once that happened it wasn't long before the PUA movement became the equivalent of those fucked reddit groups that just got banned from reddit. So for all intent and purposes PUA started at the bottom but somehow because even lower as a community.

Also ROK was a clickbait site but then it became their actual views on women once they realized it was drawing a crowd. Roosh and his ilk do this stuff to convince no class assholes to buy their books to learn how to con women instead of how to learn how to just be more confidant and accept rejection.

Wow. So basically PUA have become a hate movement now. Jeez that's scary.

 

[Stinkles]

Then it is "being decent person" advice. If it comes with the expectation of sex, it's fake and malicious trickery.
There's not much value in straight white male sexuality, especially if it's something to be "trained". Majority of male population isn't adequate for consensual sex. Unfortunately, society being built around their "needs" is why we have rape culture.

Yes, but shifting the blame onto others is the worst thing I could do about it.

Good datingg advice is good person advice. there's no inherent conflict. Persons are generally interested in romantic relationships and that's fine too.

 

[entremet]

Ehh, I can't imagine dating advice being "good". It's inherently rapey. Those in need of some kind of advice should just accept their place.

I'm not talking about PUAs. I'm talking about dating advice.

Where did rape come into my original post?

Dating advice has been around for decades, even before the PUA movement.

There's a dating advice thread here. Is that inherently "rapey"?

I'm just not getting this jump you're making.

 

[TwEE-N-Toast]

Ehh, I can't imagine dating advice being "good". It's inherently rapey. Those in need of some kind of advice should just accept their place.

Then it is "being decent person" advice. If it comes with the expectation of sex, it's fake and malicious trickery.
There's not much value in straight white male sexuality, especially if it's something to be "trained". Majority of male population isn't adequate for consensual sex. Unfortunately, society being built around their "needs" is why we have rape culture.

Yes, but shifting the blame onto others is the worst thing I could do about it.

You don't date much do you?

You don't have do veer to the other end of the horseshoe from this Roosh V fellow.

Joke posts?

Wow. So basically PUA have become a hate movement now. Jeez that's scary.

You can judge a lot of it yourself. https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/

I'm not reading all that shit but a lot of it looks like innocuous "how do I get senpai to notice me" stuff.

 

[Circle Jerk]

Then it is "being decent person" advice. If it comes with the expectation of sex, it's fake and malicious trickery.
There's not much value in straight white male sexuality, especially if it's something to be "trained". Majority of male population isn't adequate for consensual sex. Unfortunately, society being built around their "needs" is why we have rape culture.

Yes, but shifting the blame onto others is the worst thing I could do about it.

I can't tell if you're trolling, or someone who desperately needs to be in therapy.

 

[entremet]

Some history on how the whole PUA went from a corny joke to a lowkey hate group in less than a decade.

Some PUA teacher named Roissey figured out that those same guys they we're giving advice too (and usually charging $$$) on how to "game" women actually were full of hate and resentment toward women in general because those women weren't just empty headed sex toys who would fall for "game".

So Roissey changed his name to Heartiste (or something similar) and started preaching a mix of conservative politics, women hate, and homophobia/racism and became more popular than ever. A lot of the other teachers of "game" (Roosh among them) saw that success and just copied and pasted the whole thing. Once that happened it wasn't long before the PUA movement became the equivalent of those fucked reddit groups that just got banned from reddit. So for all intent and purposes PUA started at the bottom but somehow because even lower as a community.

Also ROK was a clickbait site but then it became their actual views on women once they realized it was drawing a crowd. Roosh and his ilk do this stuff to convince no class assholes to buy their books to learn how to con women instead of how to learn how to just be more confidant and accept rejection.

That's interesitng. Thanks for the history lesson of sorts.

I vaguely remember Roissey from some dumb link I once saw. It was extremely sexist bro type stuff.

 

[gaiages]

Ehh, I can't imagine dating advice being "good". It's inherently rapey. Those in need of some kind of advice should just accept their place.

lol wat

I give dating advice all the time. If 'be confident in yourself' , 'make sure to not look a slob', and 'don't try to get with a girl already in a relationship' are rapey, well, then... shit, a lot of people are fucked, because they legit need this stuff to be taught to them.

Also, this:

Then it is "being decent person" advice.

And dating advice is not mutually exclusive. Oftentimes they're one and the same.

 

[Two Words]

Seems like all of the defenders are essentially saying "Come on guys, who would really say all these disgusting things? He must be misquoted or taken out of context."

 

[Two Words]

Ehh, I can't imagine dating advice being "good". It's inherently rapey. Those in need of some kind of advice should just accept their place.

Most dating advice, well good dating advice, is to be yourself. Yes, other things are advised. But when it is good advice, it isn't trying to give you some cook book method. Advice like: try to be more confident, try to be more outgoing, be more aware of your hygiene/physical appearance, etc. isn't really inherently rapey.

 

[m14]

Hating on the straight white male bogeyman in pretty de rigueur, but even so, this...

There's not much value in straight white male sexuality

How are you defining value here?

 

[Messofanego]

You can judge a lot of it yourself. https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/

I'm not reading all that shit but a lot of it looks like innocuous "how do I get senpai to notice me" stuff.

That doesn't look bad but I don't think those were the grounds Roissey/Heartiste was stomping at.

r/fPUA looks more interesting, from women's perspective.

 

[Shokifer]

How are you defining value here?

Supply and demand, babeh.

 

[FStop7]

Ehh, I can't imagine dating advice being "good". It's inherently rapey. Those in need of some kind of advice should just accept their place.

The fuck are you talking about?

Seems like all of the defenders are essentially saying "Come on guys, who would really say all these disgusting things? He must be misquoted or taken out of context."

Guilty consciences

 

[entremet]

Man, looking at the Heartiste website.

Jeez, it's basically Stormfront/Misogyny Central in blog form with some PUA stuff sprinkled in.

 

[Fury451]

Seems like all of the defenders are essentially saying "Come on guys, who would really say all these disgusting things? He must be misquoted or taken out of context."

I'm pretty cautious about jumping on people, because context can make a world of difference, and often times folks do just intentionally misquote to emphasize their arguments.

But.

This statement is indefensible; it is impossible to read his statement out of context because no context could make it justifiable. Any context it's in makes my skin crawl.

 

[Messofanego]

Man, looking at the Heartiste website.

Jeez, it's basically Stormfront/Misogyny Central in blog form with some PUA stuff sprinkled in.

I think I need someone to translate this for me:

"Biomechanics is God, and He rules over even self-deluding shitlibs.

Lift away the poz. gentlemen. Your balls will grow three sizes with every new 1 rep max at the squat rack. Then you can enjoy the whiny spectacle of a sniveling, sneering leftoid disingenuously snark about why you want White men to be more aggressive like black men."

"Trump: 1, Cucks: a great big glory hole. Cuck News chieftain Ailes tells the MegYnites to back off Trump. MMmmm… I taste the tears of unfathomable cuckery."

"A skilled seduction has an almost harmonic lilt to the ear. Flirtation is the poetic transmogrification of primitive desires. Notice, too, how a man with tight game energizes a woman, and summons the best of her; namely, her playfulness. A woman who is fortunate to be the lust object of a man with a nimble tongue and mischievous squint is a woman eager to relinquish her resting bitch face to the full flowering of her feminine soul."

A definition of a "Cuckservative":

"The cuckservative is the try-hard beta male who white knights for MegYn Kelly’s faire maiden honor as she slips red-faced off her seat in a pool of vagina juice after receiving a blast of Donald Trump’s alluring jerkboy sexism.

A more pitiable fool would be hard to find."

 

[Neverforget]

i can't find more of that specific quote, but there's plenty from roosh in general

While every feminist likes to repeat the phrase “No means no,” it depends on context. Here's a guide:

“No” when you try to take off her jeans or shirt means… “You need to turn me on a lot more.”

“No” when you try to take off her bra means… “Try again in five minutes.”

“No” when you try to take off her panties means… “Don't give up now!”

Oh my god! How is he not in jail? Disgusting!

 

[Unicorn]

In all fairness he was asking for it with that outfit.

Subtle.

 

[thekad]

Advice like: try to be more confident, try to be more outgoing, be more aware of your hygiene/physical appearance, etc.

All of these are coercive. Once you've intellectualized the idea of "getting" a woman to be attracted to you, you have crossed the line into outright coercion.

 

[Unicorn]

All of these are coercive. Once you've intellectualized the idea of "getting" a woman to be attracted to you, you have crossed the line into outright coercion.

Eh, it's like trying to get the boss to think you're hire-able based on how you present yourself in an interview. People "put on" in so many instances in every day life even in how they talk to one person versus another. Someone trying to be presentable and hygienic to the opposite sex is innocuous.

 

[Punchy4486]

Is this the guy that advocated finding Japanese women and basically touching and harassing them into submission so they'll do whatever you want?

Or just one of his ilk?

 

[entremet]

All of these are coercive. Once you've intellectualized the idea of "getting" a woman to be attracted to you, you have crossed the line into outright coercion.

I don't think your definition of coercion is the agreed upon defintion.

Making a good first impression is not a guarantee of a relationship developing further. Neither are social graces.

But you have to participate to play. If you just stay home every weekend, never ask girls on dates, don't expect to be coupled anytime soon.

Also both sexes do this. What do you think dressing up and makeup is for?

 

[thekad]

But if that's not really them (and based on the previous 20-? years of their life, it isn't), then they are literally lying for sex. If that's not criminal, then it should be.

If you can't "pick up" a woman by being yourself, then honestly you should have to live with that disability. Anything else is unfair to any prospective lady you might end up with.

 

[entremet]

But if that's not really them (and based on the previous 20-? years of their life, it isn't), then they are literally lying for sex. If that's not criminal, then it should be.

If you can't "pick up" a woman by being yourself, then honestly you should have to live with that disability. Anything else is unfair to any prospective lady you might end up with.

Again, this is silly.

If you're a hopeless dreck--can't carry a conversation, never ask girls out, don't make eye contact, have bad personal hygiene, have no life or interesting hobbies, you're saying improving on these things is not being genuine?

 

[thekad]

You answered your own question.

If a hopeless dreck is what you are, then obviously attempting to not be that in the interest of picking up women is not genuine.

"Be the best version of yourself" is just a sneaky way of saying "change yourself in order to trick women into liking you."

 

[entremet]

You answered your own question.

If a hopeless dreck is what you are, then obviously attempting to not be that in the interest of picking up women is not genuine.

I give up.

 

[aeolist]

I give up.

good call, i think

anyone arguing that a person trying to improve his or herself is deceptive isn't worth your time

 

[thekad]

good call, i think

anyone arguing that a person trying to improve his or herself is deceptive isn't worth your time

Well, that was tongue-in-cheek. The other poster was right though that dating advice and PUA are one in the same.

 

[cntr]

Montréal, best city in Canada.

 

[John Kowalski]

but what if i'm genuinely trying to improve myself, or is that semantic sacrilege?

 

[Unicorn]

but what if i'm genuinely trying to improve myself, or is that semantic sacrilege?

Just kill yourself. I mean, you're impersonating a person, you collection of molecules raised from the earth. Be genuine and return to being worm food!

 

[Two Words]

All of these are coercive. Once you've intellectualized the idea of "getting" a woman to be attracted to you, you have crossed the line into outright coercion.

I'm missing where the coercion is. Making yourself more appealing is coercing who exactly?

 

[Messofanego]

but what if i'm genuinely trying to improve myself, or is that semantic sacrilege?

Improving yourself is tantamount to self-treason.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Okay, let's stop the rhetoric. The reason why it's coercive is not that you shouldn't do things to improve yourself, it's that the reason you do things to improve yourself is limited to "gotta find a woman." Self-improvement should be for a variety of things, not just getting a girlfriend.

 

[Klyka]

There should be "put down artists" for these kind of people.

If you know

what I

mean

WINK WINK

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Is this the guy that advocated finding Japanese women and basically touching and harassing them into submission so they'll do whatever you want?

Or just one of his ilk?

I'm also wondering this. Is this the same asshole?

 

[Klyka]

I'm also wondering this. Is this the same asshole?

I think that was some other guy.

 

[TwEE-N-Toast]

You answered your own question.

If a hopeless dreck is what you are, then obviously attempting to not be that in the interest of picking up women is not genuine.

"Be the best version of yourself" is just a sneaky way of saying "change yourself in order to trick women into liking you."

No, that's not the way people work. This sounds like shit lonely people say to excuse themselves from ever trying.

 

[excelsiorlef]

"This issue concerns me since I have a sister who I don’t want to be raped"

"After several months of advertising this law throughout the land, rape would be virtually eliminated on the first day it is applied."

Again the article seems to me that he wants to eliminate it, albeit in a extraordinary unorthodox way.

Also apparently he is in Toronto this weekend. If he was actually promoting rape, why would the Canadian government let him in?

There really is at least one person who will defend anything on GAF isn't there?

 

[A Link to the Past]

There really is at least one person who will defend anything on GAF isn't there?

I was just thinking "there's no way there could be a defense force for this man on NeoGAF" until you quoted this post. Wooow.