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[KiwiLannister]

While we're on the subject, there is actual good dating and relationship advice out there. I think mark Manson was mentioned, it's been years since I've read any of that but I remember it being useful.

It's not about tricks or anything bullshit pua stuff, you can't fake it, the most important thing is to just be a stand up guy that is happy. I think most of the actual advice is more to help people who have trouble knowing how to start a conversation.

That mark Manson guy had one article that was quite brilliantly written to help people get over the fear of the first kiss.

 

[Cizeta-Moroder]

Can you give actual examples of "facts about your personality" that are ... worse to lie about than say:

- lying about your income

- lying about having kids

- lying about your profession

or something similar?

You seem to be suggesting "lying about your personality" is one of the worst things ever, but I honestly can't picture what you have in mind when saying that.

Income, kids and profession are causal extensions of personality. When you lie about personality you lie about the prospects of your life.

 

[Neoriceisgood]

Income, kids and profession are causal extensions of personality. When you lie about personality you lie about the prospects of your life.

I asked for specific examples, I literally do not get what you guys are trying to argue.


"causal extensions of personality" .. like? Are you saying the stuff I used as examples counts as lying about your personality?

Are you talking about something different?


Your posts are genuinly so confusing I don't even know if I agree with you.

 

[mre]

I asked for specific examples, I literally do not get what you guys are trying to argue.


"causal extensions of personality" .. like? Are you saying the stuff I used as examples counts as lying about your personality?

Are you talking about something different?


Your posts are genuinly so confusing I don't even know if I agree with you.

He's essentially saying that, for example, if you're currently jobless and spend most of the week not showering and sitting around in your underwear playing video games, that taking a shower and putting clothes on before you go out to meet women is tantamount to rape.

 

[JensenBeeswax]

Man, pick up artists sure were funnier when they had a show on vh1 where they made over nerds and put huge fuzzy hats on them.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

I'm guessing you haven't read the op or the various links to and posts of his "shitty views"

Having different views no how different they are is not justification for violence.

 

[Slayven]

Man, pick up artists sure were funnier when they had a show on vh1 where they made over nerds and put huge fuzzy hats on them.

that was cringy as fuck

Wow. So basically PUA have become a hate movement now. Jeez that's scary.

Bound to happen gather enough people that hate themselves and want to blame something, anything else but themselves for their failures than it is only a matter of time. The talk is the same, just the targets change. Minorities, Muslisms, Women, LGBTs. etc

 

[Pyramid head]

Having different views no how different they are is not justification for violence.

Taking pride in raping women, that's your idea of something dismissable as a 'different view'?

 

[TheSpecialOne]

Taking pride in raping women, that's your idea of something dismissable as a 'different view'?

Yea, I don't think you want to try and open that can ofworms with me. As a minority, I'm well aware of how extreme those views can be. We have the law to deal with people who commit crimes, not mob justice. If a person is accused of a crime and found guilty, it's up to the law to determine a proportionate punishment for the crime. It's not the job of uncivilised people to do so. If you think advocating for violence will solve the issue, it shows your elementary level of thinking. If history has thought us anything, it's that violence leads to more violence. The response to a violent act might be delayed for x amount of years but there will surely be a response. It's like the pointless war with the USA and terrorism. People are too stupid to realize that tackling the issue with violence will only cause a cycle of retaliation that never ends until one side refuses to play. Anyway, I digress. It's neither the time nor place for that discussion.

 

[Tigress]

Yea, I don't think you want to try and open that can ofworms with me. As a minority, I'm well aware of how extreme those views can be. We have the law to deal with people who commit crimes, not mob justice. If a person is accused of a crime and found guilty, it's up to the law to determine a proportionate punishment for the crime. It's not the job of uncivilised people to do so. If you think advocating for violence will solve the issue, it shows your elementary level of thinking. If history has thought us anything, it's that violence leads to more violence. The response to a violent act might be delayed for x amount of years but there will surely be a response. It's like the pointless war with the USA and terrorism. People are too stupid to realize that tackling the issue with violence will only cause a cycle of retaliation that never ends until one side refuses to play. Anyway, I digress. It's neither the time nor place for that discussion.

That didn't really answer his question. He's pointing out that he thinks you are putting it too lightly when you say advocating women is just a difference of opinion as if it's something harmless that you disagree with.

You side stepped his question entirely there.

And honestly I will point out that part of the problem why we have so much people advocating mob justice is I think a lot of people have lost faith in our justice system to actually meter out justice. Cops are seen as corrupt as well as judges.

As for calling this mob justice, the guy had a drink thrown in his face and thrown out. I think we're getting a little hyperbolic in starting to say that the women were horrible people for assaulting him. If they had actually beaten him up, yes, then we could start talking about that. No real harm came to him other than a cleaning bill and hurt pride. I'm totally fine with a guy advocating rape having his pride hurt.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

That didn't really answer his question. He's pointing out that he thinks you are putting it too lightly when you say advocating women is just a difference of opinion as if it's something harmless that you disagree with.

You side stepped his question entirely there.

And honestly I will point out that part of the problem why we have so much people advocating mob justice is I think a lot of people have lost faith in our justice system to actually meter out justice. Cops are seen as corrupt as well as judges.

As for calling this mob justice, the guy had a drink thrown in his face and thrown out. I think we're getting a little hyperbolic in starting to say that the women were horrible people for assaulting him. If they had actually beaten him up, yes, then we could start talking about that. No real harm came to him other than a cleaning bill and hurt pride. I'm totally fine with a guy advocating rape having his pride hurt.

Well with your logic, it's okay to throw acid in someone's face as long as no "real" harm comes to them because of their previous statements or actions. Now I recognize that this statement is completely ridiculous but it's a slippery slope because your entire statement is subject to interpretation and not quantifiable. As we saw with the mra guy, it's easy to wrongly interpret subjective statements.

 

[Dongs Macabre]

Well with your logic, it's okay to throw acid in someone's face as long as no "real" harm comes to them because of their previous statements or actions. Now I recognize that this statement is completely ridiculous but it's a slippery slope because your entire statement is subject to interpretation and not quantifiable. As we saw with the mra guy, it's easy to wrongly interpret subjective statements.

What the fuck are you even talking about. Beer isn't acid. The only thing it does is hurt his pride, not burn his face off.

 

[pbsapeer]

Fuck what an absolutely horrible man. Making out like women have to get over rape as a "bad choice". Fuck that. It's not like getting a burn from a hot plate- it's stealing something!! Fuck my life I'm so fucking enraged reading this shit!

Also not that he's bothered but what about a man being raped? Does that fall under his bullshit laws?

 

[atr0cious]

As a minority, I'm well aware of how extreme those views can be. We have the law to deal with people who commit crimes, not mob justice.

Just wanted to point out how ironic this line is, to go along with the rest on this tired bad argument.

 

[Messofanego]

Bound to happen gather enough people that hate themselves and want to blame something, anything else but themselves for their failures than it is only a matter of time. The talk is the same, just the targets change. Minorities, Muslisms, Women, LGBTs. etc

Very good point.

 

[Tigress]

Well with your logic, it's okay to throw acid in someone's face as long as no "real" harm comes to them because of their previous statements or actions. Now I recognize that this statement is completely ridiculous but it's a slippery slope because your entire statement is subject to interpretation and not quantifiable. As we saw with the mra guy, it's easy to wrongly interpret subjective statements.

Throwing a substance that will just get you wet is not the same as throwing a substance that will knowingly harm you.

You're really reaching there. It's like saying we now should outlaw watergun fights because if you use acid instead people will get hurt. I mean it's a slippery slope... if people think it's ok to shoot water at people they're sure to start thinking it's then ok to shoot acid at people. I mean they're both liquids so obviously people will view them no differently.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

Throwing a substance that will just get you wet is not the same as throwing a substance that will knowingly harm you.

How do you feel about group intimidation in a public space?

 

[Kinokou]

Ok, so I looked for the original article where this quote is from, because I really wanted to see the "logic" behind this statement. Ready? Here it is.

If I ever saw a prime example of victim-blaming... What a sick fuck.

Ewwww. He either doesn't care or don't have the capacity to comprehend all the holes in this.

This is him?

LOL.

Just LOL.

I'm quoting you since you brought it in here but this applies to pretty much everyone laughing at this and the edit: This guy has perfectly unreasonable opinions that need to be shoot down, there is absolutely no need to shit on his appearance.

Roosh V getting assaulted is a problem. A solution would be to have an exemption to assault/battery laws such that assault/battery is legal only when directed at Roosh V. Under my proposal, Roosh V will protect his body in the same manner that he protects his wallet and smartphone.

I love it when people does this, it really points out the flaws in way that should be impossible to ignore for the ones that held the original opinion. Thank you.

In all fairness he was asking for it with that outfit.

Please don't. No one is asking for it ever. You are not doing anyone any favors by saying that.

Oh lawd.

MRA Paul Elam: If a feminist pours a drink on me, I’d be justified in killing her

Well if so he will justly go to jail and hopefully for good.

 

[Shokifer]

Please don't. No one is asking for it ever. You are not doing anyone any favors by saying that.

Mate, I'm pretty sure that was a joke. Since the man's an admitted rapist.

 

[crimsonheadGCN]

He's now going to dress as a Muslim while preparing to go to Toronto:

The best way to gain the trust of a woman is to fuck her. Therefore I ask you take one for the team and seduce these feminists in order to gain access to their plans. It should be easy since they are constantly surrounded by limp-wristed manginas who provide them with no sexual attraction.

I understand that these women are universally repulsive, overweight, and often in late stages of the devastating Lindy West disease, but no one said spycraft would be easy. A commendation medal is in store for you if you gain intelligence through the fornication that saves the event. Just be sure to record the sex act because these girls are the most likely to falsely accuse you of rape.

...

The attacks against me is [sic] obviously Islamophobia. My traditional beliefs on women and family come from my father, who is Muslim (Shia branch). White Canadian feminists forget to check their privilege before attacking our masculine views which stem for [sic] the mighty Koran.

As you know I am a practicing Muslim man. The mosque is my sanctuary in which I strengthen my views on masculinity and patriarchy. The Prophet Muhammad and I stand together against SlutWalks, false rape accusations, obesity, and cat tattoos.

His own photoshop:

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/...-urging-followers-to-have-sex-with-feminists/

 

[Yrael]

He's now going to dress as a Muslim while preparing to go to Toronto:



His own photoshop:

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/...-urging-followers-to-have-sex-with-feminists/

 

[excelsiorlef]

He's now going to dress as a Muslim while preparing to go to Toronto:



His own photoshop:

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/...-urging-followers-to-have-sex-with-feminists/

christ.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

He's now going to dress as a Muslim while preparing to go to Toronto:



His own photoshop:

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/...-urging-followers-to-have-sex-with-feminists/

.

This guy is nuts.

 

[jstripes]

As you know I am a practicing Muslim man. The mosque is my sanctuary in which I strengthen my views on masculinity and patriarchy. The Prophet Muhammad and I stand together against SlutWalks, false rape accusations, obesity, and cat tattoos.

Wow. You're not doing Islam any favours right now. Maybe you need some Muslims to tell you to STFU. I'm more than sure there's plenty.

 

[Transhuman]

What the fuck are you even talking about. Beer isn't acid. The only thing it does is hurt his pride, not burn his face off.

I don't know, liquids can hurt.

I mean imagine if during the Birmingham riots the police department had some sort of high-pressure beer hose.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

Let's see how much this guy loves rape when he's in the big house.

 

[Two Words]

Let's see how much this guy loves rape when he's in the big house.

Actually, it would be a good question to ask him about a man raping a man on his own property. Does this mean any house Roosh V enters, he is allowing himself to be legally raped by any man who owns the property?

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

With a face like that no wonder he's a rapist.

I don't think focusing on looks is the way to go. He's a horrible person. That's got nothing to with how he looks.

 

[televator]

Ok, so I looked for the original article where this quote is from, because I really wanted to see the "logic" behind this statement. Ready? Here it is.



If I ever saw a prime example of victim-blaming... What a sick fuck.

Sounds like a libertarian.

 

[Messofanego]

Actually, it would be a good question to ask him about a man raping a man on his own property. Does this mean any house Roosh V enters, he is allowing himself to be legally raped by any man who owns the property?

Damn lol!

 

[Messofanego]

He's now going to dress as a Muslim while preparing to go to Toronto:

"The best way to gain the trust of a woman is to fuck her. Therefore I ask you take one for the team and seduce these feminists in order to gain access to their plans. It should be easy since they are constantly surrounded by limp-wristed manginas who provide them with no sexual attraction.

I understand that these women are universally repulsive, overweight, and often in late stages of the devastating Lindy West disease, but no one said spycraft would be easy. A commendation medal is in store for you if you gain intelligence through the fornication that saves the event. Just be sure to record the sex act because these girls are the most likely to falsely accuse you of rape.

...

The attacks against me is [sic] obviously Islamophobia. My traditional beliefs on women and family come from my father, who is Muslim (Shia branch). White Canadian feminists forget to check their privilege before attacking our masculine views which stem for [sic] the mighty Koran.

As you know I am a practicing Muslim man. The mosque is my sanctuary in which I strengthen my views on masculinity and patriarchy. The Prophet Muhammad and I stand together against SlutWalks, false rape accusations, obesity, and cat tattoos."

His own photoshop:

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/...-urging-followers-to-have-sex-with-feminists/

Islam and the Quran is against all the garbage he spews out. Ugh. Unlike other other muslims with crazy beliefs he didn't even drop a verse that he misinterpreted. Disappointed!

 

[Pyramid head]

Well with your logic, it's okay to throw acid in someone's face as long as no "real" harm comes to them because of their previous statements or actions. Now I recognize that this statement is completely ridiculous but it's a slippery slope because your entire statement is subject to interpretation and not quantifiable. As we saw with the mra guy, it's easy to wrongly interpret subjective statements.

How would you subjectively interpret this?

While walking to my place, I realised how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she legally couldn't give her consent. It didn't help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can't say I cared or even hesitated.

Fuck his moronic 'opinion'. Dude's a rapist and proud of it. Am I wrongly interpreting that?

No idea what the fuck your talking about with the acid throwing nonsense. A self professed rapist got splashed by some beer and kicked out of a bar. Boo fucking hoo.

 

[Walpurgis]

He's now going to dress as a Muslim while preparing to go to Toronto:



His own photoshop:

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/...-urging-followers-to-have-sex-with-feminists/

Good lord. This reads like an Islamophobic troll.

 

[Cizeta-Moroder]

I asked for specific examples, I literally do not get what you guys are trying to argue.


"causal extensions of personality" .. like? Are you saying the stuff I used as examples counts as lying about your personality?

Are you talking about something different?


Your posts are genuinly so confusing I don't even know if I agree with you.

I am saying that they amount to the same level of deception. When you lie about the cause, you lie about the effect.

Bound to happen gather enough people that hate themselves and want to blame something, anything else but themselves for their failures than it is only a matter of time. The talk is the same, just the targets change. Minorities, Muslisms, Women, LGBTs. etc

Agreed.
"Self-improvement" is mostly about masking one's own failures and therefore, hateful as well.

 

[Lambtron]

I would be cool with a meteor landing on this dude.

 

[Raticus79]

Yes, a lot of them did. The problem is that the guys who got the most attention were the ones who had the mental health issues. I think that is the main reason PUA died out. Most of the normal guys were either drowned out by the very vocal minority, or they no longer wanted to be associated with the ones with most of the mental health issues who were garnering the most attention.

I'd actually recommend David DeAngelo's "Double your Dating" series. He had his own take on it based on solid self-improvement and a stable kind of masculinity. It really stood on its own from the Fast Seduction / PUA scene. There's an awareness of the same concepts but it's compatible with building a healthy long term relationship. Mystery's stuff was short term, really dependent on scripts and novel routines which died out once they became common.