This basically amounts to taxing people who don't want to wait. I can't see how this would be acceptable to anyone.
Super Mario Maker: Not all tools available from the start, unlock over 9 days
- Thread starter ElectricBlanketFire
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That sounds like the case, similar to Animal Crossing. Still think it's dumb to do that day 1
20 hours for mewtwo was torture before I knew about the 750(?) vs battles alternative
No, it's more like if you unlocked the secret fighters in Smash Bros with time instead of... oh.
EDIT: Wow. Great minds etc
There was an alternative? I had ended up just setting up a stock match on a stage with no hazards and leaving the system on all day xD.
Captain Europe
Member
Or how about, giving the player the content by progressing in the game, you know like in most games?
Wasn't that Mewtwo? That was annoying, I think I left my Gamecube on just to unlock a character.
El Pescado
Member
You guys are so aggravated about the silliest thing that you didn't even realize they snuck a NeoGAF logo into the video.
Astral/H3X
Member
Really? Are we going to bitch about this? Come the fuck on.
I suppose none of you have ever been overwhelmed with opening up a new program and saying "Oh shit that's a lot of stuff, where do I even begin?"
The point of this is to gradually introduce you to things so you have time to check out each new thing individually.
I suppose none of you have ever been overwhelmed with opening up a new program and saying "Oh shit that's a lot of stuff, where do I even begin?"
The point of this is to gradually introduce you to things so you have time to check out each new thing individually.
Most of the stuff in Mario Maker is stuff from 20+ year old Mario games. I'm going to go out on a limb and say most people will be able to figure out how everything works sooner than 9 days. I'm not against some kind of unlock/learning phase feature of the game. The main issue I think everyone has is that 9 days is far too long of a time frame. Hell, I still think it's unacceptable that on day one of the game you can't even make 1-1 from Mario 1.
Captain Europe
Member
Haha, that's cute.
No, I go like ''wow awesome I wanna try everything out!''.
...I'm gonna assume that's an unintended coincidence. Neat
NoKisum
Member
With this thread acting like playing the game to unlock stuff is the same as on-disc DLC, Nintendo should've just gone all out and placed in a paywall to please the fans.
It sounds like that's the game is doing, and everyone is pissed about it. I'm just offering alternatives since unlocking content is a devilish route to take.
Best explanation for this I've seen.
I do wish they had simply implemented a playtime unlock though.
Lady Siara
Member
I just spent an hour doodling and thinking of ideas with just the day 1 assets. In retrospect, this isn't so bad. I think they could trim down the time between unlocks but the idea is sound.
Zombie James
Banned
At first I was like, "Ok, this is like Splatoon: the game isn't finished but they're releasing it early anyways," but then you get to the point where content is locked away for nine days regardless of when you buy it? This is beyond idiotic, especially for a creation tool.
Many people are scared of seeing paid console games go the way of mobile games. While I think such concerns are hyperbole, If Nintendo were to announce that you can pay for everything available in your paid game, or wait a day for more content (like how freemium mobile games work) people would no longer see this as a way of easing people into the creative process and more of a way for Nintendo to shamelessly get more money from their customers, no matter the intention.
I think the best way to go about this would be to offer some alternative method to unlock all the customisation tools that doesn't involve paying more money.
The Lamonster
Member
Okay, so new plan: Boot up this game for 5 minutes every day for 9 days, and then the full game unlocks and I can finally dig in.
Captain Europe
Member
No it's not, it's just making you play the editor for 5 mins and then come back the next day for more content, repeat the process over 9 days. It's a day/time based unlock, not a progress based one. This is just going to make me play the 100 premade courses instead of creating actual levels in the first couple of days cos of the limitations.
Agent Gibbs
Member
Day 9 purchase confirmed!
seriously odd decision, just delay it 9 days
seriously odd decision, just delay it 9 days
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Half of the thread is fine with the locked content. And I was never upset, just annoyed and felt it was worth discussing.
First of all, nothing about my thread or OP is misleading. If it was, it wouldn't have gotten this many pages in without being locked. So please, tell me how I mislead you.
Secondly, this particular discussion is about something I feel is worth criticizing. Some agree with me, and some don't. I'm sure you've had something you don't like about a game that I would feel is "weird." But what is the purpose of going in a thread just to say "GAF whining again...buncha weirdos."
If you feel locking the content isn't an issue, or is a good thing, by all means articulate your point. But I don't appreciate being told I'm misleading people or that this thread represents "GAF" as a whole.
I'll forever miss cheat codes T-T
Azure Dream
Member
It's 9 days from whenever you buy it and start playing, presuming you put in at least 5 minutes a day.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
I agree.
We're talking about creating Mario levels, not mastering Photoshop.
There is no reason to have the fire flowers and 1-ups locked until Day 2.
New stuff is unlocked from you playing it. You'll have to wait 9 days no matter when you buy it.
The content is all there day one. Whenever you buy the game, you will need to play for five minutes in the editor each day for nine days to unlock the next day's content.
No, you can't. Whenever you buy the game, you will need to play for five minutes in the editor each day for nine days to unlock the next day's content.
You will be able to create plenty of interesting levels with the initial toolset.
Worldshaker
Member
If I have to download a patch to get all the content on disc I'm going to be a little frustrated. I'm really sick of games needed/having patches from the get go.
Splatoon was just a case of the developers putting out a game early (which is understandable). It seems like Mario Maker is just holding back content for no good reason at all. If this trend continues I will no longer buy their games day 1.
Splatoon was just a case of the developers putting out a game early (which is understandable). It seems like Mario Maker is just holding back content for no good reason at all. If this trend continues I will no longer buy their games day 1.
Captain Europe
Member
I'm still gonna buy the game even though I'm annoyed by this, but I don't think it's stupid if peopl don't, everyone should be able to decide what they do with their own money. And not everyone has the time to come back to this every day for 5 mins, which will result in having these tools locked for ages for these people.
And no it doesn't work that way.
No. You have to play for five minutes for the next 'shipment of parts' to be delivered the next day.
Vital Tundra
Member
Its based on YOUR play. Not a server.
Dreamwriter
Member
Don't forget, you can't submit a level unless you can play it start-to-finish.
Superblatt
Member
How in the world did this turn into a 32 page thread? Oh, GAF.
How would you feel if Street Fighter 5 started you off with only Ryu and Ken, and then each day for 9 days you had to play 5 minutes to unlock the remaining 16 fighters.
For now, there is no indication a patch will be required.
It's not 9 days from September 11th, it's 9 days from a unique purchase
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
This is not the purpose of the thread at all and was not said in the OP.
Sadly that's the facebook messenger icon from a level created in this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O__rmomBw0
Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
The cynic in me believes that there is at least of tiny bit of truth to this theory, because "do crap for five minutes and we'll cue up some stuff for tomorrow" doesn't make a lick of sense otherwise. Anyone who needs this system isn't going to master everything in five minutes.
The SFV complaints are happening because:
A] You're naive if you think you're getting free characters without an insane time investment.
B] You're naive if you think that Capcom won't use the free method as an excuse to hike character prices to Arc System Works levels.
But that's a discussion for a different thread.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Tell me this isn't a serious post asking a developer to put microtransactions in a game.
Tell me we haven't come to this.
Skellig Gra
Member
Actually everyone loses. WTF.
I'd feel indifferent, because the fighters will be unlocked after 9 days. But that's because I have other things to occupy myself with; I imagine the ones angriest likely have nothing else to do hence the frustration.
What's 9 days of waiting after waiting for the game to release?
The Lamonster
Member
bro I got news for you: this game ain't free.
NoKisum
Member
I don't think he means the game being free, but the community seem to be demanding for the death of unlockables. Going by this, and the recent "cheat codes for adults" thread, no one wants content locked through progression. Either the entire game should be unlocked from the moment you put the disc in the system, or its progression system will be perceived to be just as bad as Street Fighter x Tekken's use of on-disc DLC, no matter what the actual practice is.
Lady Siara
Member
Asinine. Most delayed features for games now are due to technical issues. This was a design decision.
Again, I think the idea makes sense in practice but the amount of time is too much.