History of Metal Gear & PlayStation Promo Video "Finally the conclusion will be told"
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i hope not. MGS4's plot was terrible for just that reason. the transformation should be gradual.
Yeah I don't really mind retconning parts of the original MG games. I just want a good story.
brickarts295
Member
Teased: 2012 with the TPP trailer at VGAs
Officially: 2013 with a trailer at GDC
It's been a long ride.
You know what, yeah.
If Kojima can pull off a story that's even a little bit compelling I can forgive the inevitable retcons.
SamuelSupreme
Banned
Does everyone hate Portable Ops or something? Why do I see it continually get no love?I thought it was an actually good title...Gave us a good case of foreshadowing the events and mechanics of peace walker.
It had a better story than Peace Walker's, certainly.
I really liked it. Feels more Metal Gear than Peace Walker.
Firmus_Anguis
Banned
God damn it, they removed "A Hideo Kojima Game" from every single title... Not that it wasn't expected, but it's still annoying as hell. Can't wait for Kojimas trailer though!
giancarlo123x
Banned
I'm not ready for it. I need to prepare myself.
Nova Bovington
Member
Turns out the entire series was just George playing you playing through the Metal Gear games all along! Cowabunga, ninja man!
Jawmuncher
Member
For me personally if MGS4 had been the final MG game, I would still be bitter.
"Finally the conclusion will be told"?
The conclusion is MGS4, MGSV will be great and huge, but it's always a prequel, and story wise, even if Kojima is gonna invent something new, we already know what happened in that time. Actually MGSV will tell us how the original Metal Gear for MSX started rather than the conclusion of the saga
The conclusion is MGS4, MGSV will be great and huge, but it's always a prequel, and story wise, even if Kojima is gonna invent something new, we already know what happened in that time. Actually MGSV will tell us how the original Metal Gear for MSX started rather than the conclusion of the saga
SamuelSupreme
Banned
It's just starting to hit me....this is the last MGS....this is the MGS where Darth Vader is born
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
I want 'dat OLED.For anyone curious, Kojima's trailer is still in the works:
Woodchipper
Member
I've learned to be glad they got rid of him to be honest. His voice became more and more exaggerated to the point of being ridiculous in PW. At least Keifer sounds like a person.
MiamiWesker
Member
MGS2 is a conclusion to nothing, you can't end a conclusion with a damn cliffhanger. If you have like 20 unresolved storylines ITS NOT A CONCLUSION.
I feel like all this "final mystery will be told" stuff is mostly the marketing campaign tag attached to the game. The only places I've seen it have been marketing-made trailers like this and posters. It may just be the alternative chosen to the laughable "more metal. more gear. more solid." stuff:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=175817175&postcount=16099
As an aside, I don't really care if the story needs a conclusion or not, or if there's future crap in it. Kojima had new ambitious game ideas, the way he could realize those was with another MGS. The only place, story wise without a reboot he could really fit this was with Big Boss in the 70s-80s. Rather than give up on certain things that are crucial for gameplay (giant intimidating metal gears to fight, stealth camo, base building etc), he just put them in the game. As long as this makes the game exciting and fun to play, I'm good with it. I hate when story limits gameplay in shitty ways. Like Halo 3 for example, you've got Elites these great enemies that are extremely fun to fight. But you don't fight any of them because story-wise they're on your side now. Instead you get nothing but the Brutes, which are okay, but don't fill that gameplay gap. That's something where staying true to the story compromised the fun of the game.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=175817175&postcount=16099
As an aside, I don't really care if the story needs a conclusion or not, or if there's future crap in it. Kojima had new ambitious game ideas, the way he could realize those was with another MGS. The only place, story wise without a reboot he could really fit this was with Big Boss in the 70s-80s. Rather than give up on certain things that are crucial for gameplay (giant intimidating metal gears to fight, stealth camo, base building etc), he just put them in the game. As long as this makes the game exciting and fun to play, I'm good with it. I hate when story limits gameplay in shitty ways. Like Halo 3 for example, you've got Elites these great enemies that are extremely fun to fight. But you don't fight any of them because story-wise they're on your side now. Instead you get nothing but the Brutes, which are okay, but don't fill that gameplay gap. That's something where staying true to the story compromised the fun of the game.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Yes you can.
From now on I'm going to happily consider MGS2 as the conclusion and pretend MGS4 was some kind of fever dream Snake had after a heavy night of drinking following MGS2's Manhattan event
In the morning he calls Raiden and says, 'Jack, I had the craziest dream...'
Woodchipper
Member
I'm with you.
MiamiWesker
Member
Well I feel that is dumb when the entire game raises a bunch of questions and answers none of them.
So you MGS2 is the end guys, explain to me what you thought happens with solid snake after oh his arch enemy escapes with a giant dinosaur sized metal gear and NY is in shambles and there is a massive secret organization taking over the world.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
There actually is a Snake Tale like that called External Gazer. Snake is testing vr equipment with Otacon and ends up going to different realities, including one where Raiden and Rose are chilling on a park bench and become a vr mission.
FF Seraphim
Member
Holy fuck, that trailer made me more hyped than I was previously...
Ugh, hopefully many will disagree with this. It's a terrible, very outdated way of thinking in 2015 and to me, personally, totally unacceptable. A game is the sum of its parts and nothing should be allowed to be fucked up because "it's a videogame, come on, just enjoy it, who cares right?". Well I care, regardless of medium or time span I want consistency, be it Alien saga or MGS. Story consistency does not stop the game to be fun but it definitely help to add value and depth. I know that if there's one thing I'll dislike about MGSV is indeed inconsistencies, plot holes perhaps, various details here and there. I can accept it, as much as I like MGS the story had troubles starting with few details in MGS3 and since then it appears to me that Kojima and the others prefer to draw a new, alternate history of those years that will eventually connect to MG. They have no problems to literally rewrite things, fine, but let's not try to justify this please.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Apart from what you've written below, what wasn't answered...?
Solid Snake went off into video game land endlessly chasing his video game nemesis, whilst Raiden went back to what he presumes (hopes?) is the real world, just like the player.
The End.
Since it is in part a massive deconstruction of sequels, it had to end on a cliffhanger, didn't it? Don't get me wrong, I'm happy Kojima carried on, but if MGS4 is anything to go by, I'm pretty sure he didn't have any intention of answering "questions" that the "how can it end there" fans wanted answering.
Now, some questions for you: what happened after the end of The Thing? Was Total Recall or Inception real or a dream? Did the robbers get away with the gold in the Italian Job? What happens after the black-out in The Sorpranos? What happened after the mid-sentence endings of Gravity's Rainbow and Finnegan's Wake?
What inconsistencies? Not the age thing, surely? XD
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
I felt mgs3 was mostly consistent with the series technology wise. Did the Fear's stealth camoflauge bug you? Agreed with the rest of your post.
Snatch1414
Banned
The Boss AI is in this? That's disappointing. Why can't we just move on. Everything that was set up in Ground Zeroes is plenty interesting without mucking it up with stuff from past games.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Well, GW had to come from somewhere.
The Elite
BOSS
I feel like all this "final mystery will be told" stuff is mostly the marketing campaign tag attached to the game. The only places I've seen it have been marketing-made trailers like this and posters. It may just be the alternative chosen to the laughable "more metal. more gear. more solid." stuff:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=175817175&postcount=16099
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I don't know why but the "More Metal, More Gear, More Solid" campaign has an 80s feel to it. I love it.
Snatch1414
Banned
I don't even know what that is. People use way too many abbreviations on this board lol
It's GZ and by extension TPP are direct sequels to Peace Walker. Of course there will be story references and plot points that deal with that game
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Snatch1414
Banned
References would be fine but the way people talk it sounds like more scenes with Big Boss lamenting the Boss' death by having one on one conversations with a computer.........again.
The AI inMGS2Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Thanks
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Give the dude a break, it's the most pivotal event in his life!
petethepanda
Member
Do we actually know yet if TPP is supposed to be very story-heavy?
did someone refer to those scenes happening in TPP?
Everyone does, and dammit, every time I read this I get so excited
AgentLampshade
Member
These next two weeks are going to kill me.
Snatch1414
Banned
I just saw someone on the first page say "The Boss AI will be in this game", so I guess everyone can take that as they will.
MegaSackman
Member
One day they're gonna make a game about that time when Snake went to the bathroom and took two hours to take a dump. What happened there? Why it took him so long? bam:
Metal Gear: A Solid One.
Metal Gear: A Solid One.
BattleMonkey
Member
The story was fine, and in a way better than PW's, but also just felt like it was retelling the PO storyline with added Kojima wackiness.
PO though as a game had lot of issues with it's controls which PW kinda improved on for the handheld systems it was on. It was kinda frustrating game to play. It is lame that they kinda just tossed aside PO' story
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