We joke, but if he got the nomination this could seal Trump's victory unless young people actually bother to vote
Hillary Clinton's lead a puddle in the Sanders Sahara #deadheat #feelthebern
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We joke, but if he got the nomination this could seal Trump's victory unless young people actually bother to vote
BertramCooper
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His secret is TOTALLY safe then.
And they didn't for Obama? And they won't for Hillary?
Dirtyshubb
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Its so strange, because if you speak to majority of people or read through any form of government social media you get nothing but hate for the Tories yet they managed to get the majority vote.
I personally think that the problem is the middle/higher classes are the ones who voted Tory while the lower class either voted against them or didnt vote at all since they are so disillusioned with the whole system.
People may hate him but Russell Brand really does have some great points when it comes to trying to get people more involved and aware of the issues that affect their community and to try and combat it themselves. People need to be taught that standing by and either assuming that you will get screwed either way or that someone else will sort the problem out wont work and you need to not only help out yourself but also vote against parties like the Tories.
Im hoping that we might start to get people willing to take a chance on more radical parties like the Greens, yeah they may not have the experience as other parties but its clear that all we are going to get from the major parties is more and more hurt and sacrifice. Hopefully Sanders does well in America as he seems like a great start to re-educating people on what an actual alternative is and to wake them up to the fact that most other politicians are just corporate tools who only care about themselves and their friends.
It's not like his barebones policy points reflect his self avowed socialism anyway.
A lot of gaffers don't like Bernie. If they did they wouldn't be peddling this I like Bernie but Clinton is more electable drivel.
It's like talking to Republicans who have a black friend so that excuses anything at a national level they don't want to see.
AuthenticM
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If only Bernie had not called himself a socialist in the past, it would have been easier for him to defend himself against the inevitable conservative attacks he'll get on that. But he did. So if he wins the primary, all of the media will be on his ass, rerunning videos of him saying "I'm a socialist". And that will destroy his chances of winning the general election.
That's because the big chunk of people who vote conservative are old folks who don't know what the Internet is. And for someone like Bernie to win the elections, these old folks all need to die.
It's what I've been saying for years: big changes come along with generational changes. When we are the ones who are retired and the previous old guard is dead and gone, you will find the political landscape to be very different.
That's because the big chunk of people who vote conservative are old folks who don't know what the Internet is. And for someone like Bernie to win the elections, these old folks all need to die.
It's what I've been saying for years: big changes come along with generational changes. When we are the ones who are retired and the previous old guard is dead and gone, you will find the political landscape to be very different.
Jeevesmeister
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Again you're being a fool. The Gallup poll you're riding your argument on is leaving out the entire Republican narrative that is riding more and more on fact as the FBI uncovers more and more dirt on her. This is a lot easier sell than the Swift Boat scenario of 2004 - there's a dime a dozen of National Security "experts" that get paid to pretend to be experts and ramble on Fox News all the time, you think they won't jump in line to get paid to advocate how Hillary would totally compromise our intelligence agencies (again) and threaten our National Security to be obliterated by a group like ISIS?
Come on now. You can't act like the Republican Hate Machine doesn't have better dirt on Hillary, who has proven early she can't fire up the base. You're leaving it up to moderates at that point, and this is what you're assuming won't take hold when it comes down to voting day. Bernie's actually connecting with people in a lot of ways, and he's on the path to overtake her. They'll shake their fist at the term all they want, but Bernie can stick up for himself in this regard.
The opening sentence of the article is that Clinton's lead is evaporating. Take the insinuations from there
Dictator93
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Sanders deserves the ticket. He is actually quite "unamerican" in his politics in a great way.
keep it up!
keep it up!
If he wins the primary? Those attacks will start well before that, I expect Hillary to start hitting him hard soon.
soundahfekz
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Bernie is too damn old. He's the politician I agree with the most, but his 'electability' will come into question when shit gets serious. He'd be 79 at the end of his first term.
Fenderputty
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Well this is a steaming pile of bullshit. I actually like Bernie better. He's not electable though, and my main concern is keeping the GOP away from total control of the house, senate and presidency. Especially for judicial appointees.
Not on that point. Hills can't skewer Bernie for being left of her in the Primary, that would be harmful to her campaign.
Sanders has better chances to win against Trump than Hillary. She has so many atack points Trump can truthbomb, but what can he say about Sanders? "Your hair looks funny"? "Look, he isn't rich"? Trump's from of attack just don't work well against a honest person who stays by it's believes and so far judged all major situations the right way.
Hell, he'll have to defend himself from the liberal attacks on that. Hillary and her supporters will run that campaign for the Republicans. The same way Hillary's campaign set the stage for racist fuckery in '08.
100% this. As a political candidate Bernie aligns quite nicely with many of my beliefs, however he is completely unelectable. Dems have done this song and dance before and it netted us Reagan.
Same old shit, and yet it's a very salient concern that you can't bat away so blithely.
Care to offer anything substantive on this topic, beyond a snarky remark? Thus far, the most substantial response I've seen to this topic is "WE'LL LOBBY SCOTUS!" Perhaps you can offer something more realistic.
Even Bernie gets this. If he's not the nominee, he's keenly aware that progressivism is done for a few decades if the Republican wins and replaces a liberal justice or two. Support whom you want in the primaries, that's absolutely fantastic, and Bernie is fantastic, and I'll support him enthusiastically should he be the nominee.. but don't be shocked if you get called-out for claiming that you care about progressivism, only to behave in a manner that's clearly inconsistent with those long-term goals.
Fenderputty
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Hillary and her money can't beat the republican hate machine, but socialist Bernie and no superpac money will. What a fuckin' hoot this thread is.
Jeevesmeister
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The Democrats will get behind him when he secures the nomination, rest assured. Hillary had the money back in 2008, a hell of a lot more than Obama, and got obliterated.
Jesus fucking christ it's like you people pretend previous elections never happened.
Although, I tend to believe what he says more because of how old he is haha. He doesn't look or sound like he gives a shit about appearances, and actually believes in the purpose of his campaign
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
So he's the candidate you'd like to have a beer with.
Why don't people who like Bernie better but don't think he can win just vote for him in the primaries and see how that goes before voting for who you need to in the general election? This wish-washy "I like him but... electability" shit sounds nonsense to me when you're so far out still from having to make any real decision.
Fenderputty
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Bernie sanders wishes he had 1/10 of the charisma that Obama has.
HILLARY DIDN'T GET OBLITERATED BY OBAMA
BERNIE SANDERS IS NOT OBAMA
For FUCK sakes
BertramCooper
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The only reason we haven't seen Republicans dig up a shitload of dirt on Bernie is because they have no reason to bother doing it. That immediately changes if he somehow wins the Democratic nomination.
It's pretty naive to assume that Bernie doesn't have any skeletons in his closet.
Does Hillary have charisma? I've never seen it.
And Hillary isn't? She's only 6 years younger. He isn't going to die of old age after two weeks.
ryutaro's mama
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This is sensational.
BobTheFork
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Whatever, I'm voting democrat regardless. This election should have been democrat slam dunk. IF we don't get a democrat President and another conservative judge gets on the Supreme court, it will take the whole country back 100 years.
Don't fuck this up Bernie.
Don't fuck this up Bernie.
As I said, the last time Dems did that we put Mondale out there.
Walter "Fucking" Mondale of all people.
RastaMentality
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Did you follow Obama's brilliant campaign? Even just watch his "A More Perfect Union" speech and you'll see why these comparisons aren't all that complete.
shinra-bansho
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Obama's fundraising essentially matched Clinton's in the 2008 primary. It's one of the many ways in which they differ.
Obama had a SuperPAC aiding his re-election.
The DNC will presumably raise contributions from the well-heeled, from corporations and so forth. So one could infer that will make Sanders beholden to their interests, or I guess refuse that source of financing as well, or that despite being elected with such support he'll be capable of independent thought, while no one else apparently is.
In the absence of those sources of funding, as well as high net worth direct contributions, Obama's re-election campaign would have been dramatically outspent.
ErasureAcer
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Says the guy with the Bernie avatar.
Fenderputty
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No, but she doesn't need that to surge from behind in polls. Bernie does.
captainnapalm
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I am surprised that the UK hasn't been more progressive in recent years, but I think there is probably even more political apathy there than the States. The establishment is so deeply entrenched that there is barely any breathing space for new voices to emerge.
Days like these...
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Serious question is anyone genuinely excited about hilldawg? The closest thing I've seen to excitement is some histrionics about why Bernie can't win.
No. Obama and Clinton had and will have billion dollar campaign funds. They are favoured by the super rich. Sanders is pushing the interests of the population at large and relying on smaller donations. Obama has been erroneously accused of what Sanders actually is. Bernie needs to be part of a much bigger movement to win.
Lord_Byron28
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If Bernie is able to overcome Hillary, I really wouldn't worry as much during the general election. For the past 3 years Hillary has been viewed as the inevitable one and she will be a lot harder of an opponent to overcome than any of the candidates the GOP has churned out.
SliceSabre
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As much as I want Sanders, I want a stronger candidate more.
I'll be damned if I the Republicans take over everything and repeal the voting rights act, appoint CEOs as judges and reinstate slavery, reinstate discrimination against blacks, gays and other minorities and do everything they can to take away my rights while telling me "But we won't take your guns so its ok!"
I'll be damned if I the Republicans take over everything and repeal the voting rights act, appoint CEOs as judges and reinstate slavery, reinstate discrimination against blacks, gays and other minorities and do everything they can to take away my rights while telling me "But we won't take your guns so its ok!"
This. It's impressive that Clinton is polling so well, when so much of her faults are already so public. People know about Benghazi and they know about her email usage, and she's still polling high.
Most people have no idea who Sanders is and the fact that he labels himself as socialist hasn't had a chance to really affect his polling yet (but it most likely will, very badly).
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The fact that literally anyone believes that Sanders possesses virtually any of the qualities that Obama from 2008 had blows my mind. Its like comparing a Prius to a Tesla.
Dirtyshubb
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The thing that concerns me is that there seems to be a rise in young Tories, anecdotal of course. These are the people who have grown up in middle class/non benefit households and dont know a lot about the actual facts/details of the parties and just go by the headlines. I have see/heard of quite a few that voted Tory because "they have done a good job/My life is going well so why would i vote for anyone else?"
It seems many people only think about how their life is going and dont actually think "Did any law that the Tories introduced help me get my job?', they just attribute their good luck/opportunities to the current government regardless of the actual things that have gone into them being in the situation they are in.
They also get caught up in the 'benefits scroungers/immigrants are scum' rhetoric it seems.
Jeevesmeister
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And the Left grew oh so disappointed with Obama in how that charisma failed to be followed up with the degree of change desired.
I'm not arguing he wasn't a successful President, quite the opposite. He was left with a dire situation and did amazing work. But the larger sentiment on the Left is great disappointment as this nation's problems grow all the more dire. Sanders' lack of charisma is what's so attractive to a lot of people now, in this moment.
Compared to Hillary? It'll be a hell of a lot less. A hell of a lot less and far less embarassing.
It's hard to be excited when it's not much of a surprise or contest.
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