Tom Brady beats NFL in 'Deflategate' court case, league's 4-game suspension nullified
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Pinchable Buttocks
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Nope, something was up. No way there was nothing there.
CitizenCope
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Yes! Yes! Yes!
Not traveling to Buffalo to watch Jimmy Garopollo play instead of Brady.
Not traveling to Buffalo to watch Jimmy Garopollo play instead of Brady.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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HAHA!!!! Haters suck it! lol.
Ray Wonder
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I don't normally agree with you on most subjects, but this is just getting out of hand.
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Browns would lose anyway
Pinchable Buttocks
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Browns won't even beat the Jets.
Yeah, this will definitely get appealed by the NFL.
The judge's logic here is basically that the NFL has to define punishment for any possible rules violation and someone is entitled to get off scot-free if they don't.
Live Free or Die
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Cheated his way through this again. The NFL needs to find out if the judge is a patriots fan and if he is the ruling should be nullified for conflict of interest.
I love how the judge pours salt in the wounds of Indy fans in his decision by pointing out how Brady destroyed the Colts when the balls were re-inflated.
That's one reason. And it's a great one. But he also gave two other huge reasons for overturning.
That's one reason. And it's a great one. But he also gave two other huge reasons for overturning.
hahaha he said that?
dave is ok
aztek is ok
"(A) inadequate notice to Brady of both his potential discipline (four-game suspension) and his alleged misconduct; (B) denial of the opportunity for Brady to examine one of two lead investigators, namely NFL Executive Vice President and General Counsel Jeff Pash; and (C) denial of equal access to investigative files, including witness interview notes.""
The last two are enough to vacate, the judge even noted during the trial that awards have been vacated for refusal to examine an investigator before
jaydogg691
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Damn, NFL making FIFA look good.
They both suck tho.
not really
They both suck tho.
I have read three articles about this at work this morning, and I still have no idea how this justice justified lifting all four games with the drop of a gavel. The only new quotes from the justice I keep seeing are:
..."premised upon several significant legal deficiencies,''...
..."Brady also had no notice that his discipline would be the equivalent of the discipline imposed upon a player who used performance enhancing drugs,"...
That really doesn't tell us anything.
..."premised upon several significant legal deficiencies,''...
..."Brady also had no notice that his discipline would be the equivalent of the discipline imposed upon a player who used performance enhancing drugs,"...
That really doesn't tell us anything.
backflip10019
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I'd love to see the crossover between people who are fine with the Patriots cheating consistently and those who support Bernie Sanders because he would make for a more fair America.
too perfect
wtf are you talking about?
DrForester
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Thank goodness.
Doesn't change that the NFL smear campaign was successful. Just look at all the people in this thread that think there's anything supporting the claim that they tampered with the balls.
Facts and science mean shit when you blindly follow what Goodell says.
Doesn't change that the NFL smear campaign was successful. Just look at all the people in this thread that think there's anything supporting the claim that they tampered with the balls.
Facts and science mean shit when you blindly follow what Goodell says.
Where did you find this?
backflip10019
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Hypocrisy.
I don't think he even knows. He has this pressure built up in his chest because he's so angry and can't really quantify why.
Calling out a hypothetical group that may or may not exist as a way to discount or deflect from this situation is pretty fucking dumb.
The Albatross
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Read the rest of the decision:
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2015/09/03/0ap3000000520629.pdf
Decision basically hung on:
- Failing to tell Brady he could be suspended for what the league considers not cooperating
- Denial of League for Brady's team to cross-examine investigators
- League withholding evidence
Effectively, Judge Berman found that the NFL Suspended Brady for not turning over all of his evidence, in effect, his phone, and yet, when requested, the league did not provide the evidence to the Players Association or the courts that they were using to suspend it. This would be fine in a kangaroo court like the NFL discipline office, but it doesn't have any integrity in front of an impartial judge.
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Some good tidbits:
Court adds that the league based Brady's suspension on similar rulings regarding Anabolic Steroid use, which as defined in the CBA has a rigorous testing procedure. The court finds that there was no testing procedure related to deflated footballs, so the league cannot apply a punishment. Pash was unable to make a connection between punishment for steroids and punishment for deflating footballs.
Good answer.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
It's in the decision, but this news article has it
He listed three great reasons for it. And he never had the option to reduce the suspension. It was one or the other. He gave the two parties a month to negotiate something better.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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And if they don't beat them it will be because the Pats cheated.
What power grab? The union agreed to give him all the power.
n00bsauce87
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Teflon Tom is going in the history books folks
Pinchable Buttocks
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I hope Tom's tampon snap in his snatch.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Amazing.
Don't worry about JG, Patriots will pull off one of those WTF trades and somehow get a 1st rounder for him. I'm assuming the second Carr goes down with an injury.
Did you even read the Wells Report? It was so obviously flawed just on a cursory glance. The science and methods in it are terrible. It's worrying it convinced anyone of anything and it's hilarious the NFL actually paid money for it.
Rastafarian42
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Same here lmao
Here's the basic deal with this court case:
- It was not about the actual case against Brady. Federal Judges are not allowed to rule on the facts of the case
- It was about the process. The decision that has to be made was whether or not the punishment and appeal process was conducted fairly
- The judge decided that it was not
- In his argument he cites 3 specific things he feels make the process flawed:
- - The rules never said that anyone could be subject to a suspension for tampering with balls
- - The league didn't allow Brady's team to cross-examine a key witness during their appeal
- - The league didn't allow Brady's team to see any of the background information for the Wells report during their appeal
- Essentially, the judge is saying that, whether or not Brady did anything is immaterial. The punishment and appeal process was, in his opinion, flawed, and because of that he vacate the punishment
Which is how he had to win this specific case of Goodell's overstepping his authority in the arbitration process.People are ignoring how flimsy the case was to punish Brady in the first place. I can't blame them too much with the amount of misinformation spread by the NFL and Goodell directly.
Dude Abides
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I can't understand why the NFL doesn't use a neutral arbitrator like virtually every other unionized workplace.
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