IISANDERII
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His mom is white, his dad is black.
Ex-tennis star James Blake Mistakenly Tackled, Detained By White Cops
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There are no assumptions with the NYPD breh
cpp_is_king
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No, my counterpoint is that all people, black and white, cops and civilians, should be considered innocent until proven guilty, or unless there is substantial evidence to the contrary. If you find the names of these officers involved, and you find out that these specific officers have a history of racial profiling then maybe you have something.
Right now all you have is yet another instance of "guy treated poorly by police who happened to be black, therefore there's no other possible explanation except that it was racism"
Ken K in the Fresh!!!
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He's got no love from the NYPD
The links that were promtly ignored in my last post. The things that have happened on the last two years. The current state of the NYPD.
When everyone knows that Earth is round its up to the one that thinks its flat to prove them wrong, its not my homework to inform you in massive history of racism by a Law endorsement institution like the NYPD, sadly there are so many cases that its up to you to explain to me why it isnt.
Gentleman Jack
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All in all we're just sharing opinions here. There is no real guilt or innocence to assess because the cops aren't being disciplined let alone charged with the assault of this innocent man. Yeah ok you got me I'm not a mind reader so I don't definitively know that the cops are racist. But with the NYPD I'm not sure that it's wise to ever give them the benefit of the doubt. You can make an educated guess here. The reputation is well earned. It was probably racism!
Except it's not just one or two videos of black people being profiled. In the NYPD's case, there's an entire explicit initiative to stop black people for no reason.
The commissioner came out and said stop and frisk was working as intended
well, the latinos and asians aren't the problem...the blacks must be controlled though. it's always the blacks...American's black obsession.
What if the problem here isn't racism, it's that police are so bad at giving descriptions? I may have just solved everything!!!!
They are mighty afraid of 24% of their population
cpp_is_king
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Assuming you're not speaking in hyperbole, which it sounds like you are, perhaps you could provide a link to some info about this "initiative to stop black people for no reason"?
The commissioner came out and said stop and frisk was working as intended
Believe it or don't, but here was the NYPD's justification for this rate:
Defending the fact that close to nine in ten of the people stopped under the program in 2011 and 2012 were black or Hispanic, the city pointed out that approximately 83% of all known crime suspects and approximately 90% of all violent crime suspects were Black and Hispanic. Based on their analysis, Smith and Purtell argued that the city wasnt racial profiling. Rather, they argued, the disproportionate stopping and frisking of blacks and Hispanics could be attributed to the disproportionate number of black and Hispanic people in the pool of criminals and potential criminals.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/the-statistical-debate-behind-the-stop-and-frisk-verdict
Gotdatmoney
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Do you really just ask about the NYPD's iniative to stop black people for no reason when there is several stop and frisk graphs on the last two pages with a 52% black stop rate? Stop now. You're embarassing yourself b
Fenderputty
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This is fair. It's not for sure racism, but there sure is a fuck ton of smoke for no fire to exist.
This very page has some of that info. lol
Stop and frisk is news to you?
and stop this great hustle we got going
1.Claim racial profiling
2.?????
3. Stay alive
4.Profit
cpp_is_king
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All I see on this page are some graphs with no context about what they are, other than that there are a disproportionate number of black people stopped. For what? Graph doesn't say! It certainly doesn't say anything about "for no reason", or describe any history or context surrounding the initiative. So I'm pretty sure I'm not embarrassing myself.
I don't live anywhere close to New York, why shouldn't it be news to me?
Byakuya769
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#allllivesmatter
DonasaurusRex
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This is how they escorted Dylann Storm Roof out after he killed those people:
This is how they escort a black guy out for weed possession:
and they took him to burger king.
Because it has been covered by every major news outlet and there have been numerous threads on this site about it.
Gotdatmoney
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NYPD stops by race. Disproportionately black. You see no issue in of itself. You're a lost cause on this issue.
And jeez, I don't live in New York either and I am more than aware about the actions of the NYPD. You have to be ignorant to every race issue involvong police ever to not know about the corrupt nature of the NYPD.
Think it's probably a mix between "respect mai authoriteh!" and having to assume everyone is carrying a gun, due to our inane gun policies in the U.S. Also probably some racism.
Corronchilejano
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Hace you ever been to NYC? Are you white?
cpp_is_king
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No, I do know that NYPD has a history of racism. That doesn't mean I know about specific "initiatives" such as stop and frisk. And it certainly doesn't mean I know that the stops are supposed to be "for no reason" as the other poster claimed.
Anyway, I looked it up and it seems to be messed up. So you're not getting any argument from me on that point. So, in the case of stop and frisk, you have evidence (in the form of that graph) that the police are instituting racial profiling.
I still don't see any evidence related to the James Blake case. But if you have some, or if some surfaces, I would be happy to consider it with an open mind.
Innocent until proven guilty applies to everyone, not just the people you want it to.
Gordon Shumway
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As a Trump supporter, I agree..
idealism is great. the point here is bad policing. Bad policing by a department that has a history of racism and a history of bad policing. So while you can say we shouldn't assume racism because...why exactly again? There is an ongoing context, one that you're either ignoring or are unaware of. Or maybe you agree with it and feel that it's not a problem but instead a solution. But the past history is very likely to have influence over this incident here. So to cling to ideals of innocence and coming to the defense of these defenseless police, when this thing is so skewed, just doesnt make sense to me.
For one thing the police are very well protected, even their reputations in the public arena have paid defenders. They have lawyers, unions, lobbies, political allies, and they're an institutionalized part of government. Even though they're expensive as hell and their effectiveness really difficult to quantify. They don't need you reminding the world that they haven't been convicted in the court of law and have rights. These police didn't give Mr. Blake the benefit of any doubt. They treated him like a dangerous criminal because he was a brown person standing on the same street that they expected another brown person to be standing on.
It's ridiculous, and it's real life. These are the people
- Acknowledges group with a history of racism (quite a long one)
- Agrees with evidence that said group has a history of racial profiling
- Sees the article in OP stating that guy was frisked due to "two people" saying he fits the description
- Doesn't agree that tackling and detaining has anything to do with racism or racial profiling.
I think we have a lawyer here folks.
By the way, "innocent until proven guilty" only works in the court of law, not in the court of public opinion.
Gentleman Jack
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"Racism?!" Beeogola nechaska haa haa haa
DerangedHermit
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So you know about the history of racism but don't know about stop and frisk which is part of that same history of racism? Uhhhh....ok.
Gordon Shumway
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oh honey..nobody cares
Hey CPP, I posted it in the last page but you never responded to it, but what do you think about this other events also involving the fraud task force?
http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/bl...icle-1.1494855
http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/ba...icle-1.1493101
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/13/justice/hbo-star-lawsuit/
http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/bl...icle-1.1494855
http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/ba...icle-1.1493101
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/13/justice/hbo-star-lawsuit/
Byakuya769
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I agree on the aggregate that there's a problem, but boil it down to any individual instance where action could be taken? Nah, I'm going to need a cross burning or something.
Anyone say the "n word"?
Anyone say the "n word"?
Angelus Errare
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Well I mean, did the police call him a "nigger" at any point? If not can you really argue it was racism? Even if they did say "nigger" they just wanted to say the most upsetting thing they could say in the heat of the moment, that doesn't prove racism, just that they're human and make mistakes.
How about we stop this war on the police and focus on the bigger issues like the black on black violence.
Saint Gregory
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And this folks is what you call a self-fulfilling prophecy. You predominantly stop minorities randomly to search for contraband, the vast majority of which are innocent, and justify it because you arrest more minorities... because you stop more minorities.
America.
Thank god he shaved his had, he might have caught 54 to the chest with these
But it is a class and economic issue /s
It absolutely is, even if not purely so. Being rich as an individual doesn't really matter as the perception is skewed as your skin color is still associated with being poor and as such worthless in a capitalist society. If you think that people are born racist, i don't know what to say to you. Is it absolutely a matter of class associated to skin color, not the other way around. Racism is associated to people who are considered "less" because they come from worse places, not because they're differently skinned, or eastern europeans wouldn't be one of the most discriminated group in europe for example.
Gotdatmoney
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I don't like to write people off but a discussion woth someone who can't connect dots A and B about racism with the fucking NYPD is a waste of time to talk about issues of race with. If you can't figure out why race plays a role in this you are a lost cause on this issue. This isn't about innocent and guilty, no one is fucking going to trial. This is about probable cause given decades of testimony, statistics and accounts of racism and you wanna wave it away because no concrete proof of racism exists. What you are arguing is not intelligent, it's beyond naive.
JustAnotherMike
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Yea, we all wish we lived in a Law & Order universe. There are no quips to be had in reality.
Gordon Shumway
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Nagger? Seen people banned for nagger. Also seen folks get away with it..
odd thing to say, but yeah. Shit happens..
andthebeatgoeson
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What has to be addressed are these guys sources. Too many shady crack heads get pushed to the head of the team and start to push these cases in different directions. Under scrutiny, the crack head would get laughed out of town.
I can't tell which is worse, a made up source to cover their ass or a real crack head?
I can't tell which is worse, a made up source to cover their ass or a real crack head?
MHWilliams
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Actually, in those individual case, racism could also not be proven. It's not until you step out in the larger picture that it becomes apparent. Now, in this case, could the cops have been acting completely above board? Sure. Sadly, the data points allow us to lean on the side of law enforcement officer using excessive force because the suspect was black. As in, the chances are markedly high that that's the case. This is a situation and bias created by law enforcement against itself. I'd certainly rather minorities not be stopped disproportionately by law enforcement than to be able to say "this was probably race related" on a forum. Trust me.
You can talk about innocent until proven guilty, but that's a necessary construct of our court system and has little to do with interpersonal discussions, like this forum topic. If you don't believe that it had anything to do with race, by all means, you can go with that. You opinion on the topic is as valid as the rest. It also has as little to do with the outcome of the case as the rest of us.
I would also point out that you use "innocent until proven guilty" when the law enforcement officers in this case were as far from that idea as possible. Excessive force is use because you fear a threat, meaning you fear the person in question is already guilty. Mere suspicion would mean questioning.
Angelus Errare
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