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[Sn4ke_911]

People have already changed those scenes.

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/29...p4?versionId=9ELZYX0WnkrAl5lGE3dIzWw.AKLSztAP

 

[boinx]

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/29...p4?versionId=9ELZYX0WnkrAl5lGE3dIzWw.AKLSztAP

dank af tbh

 

[Alienous]

Because Konami doesn't want to make video games anymore, PERIOD. It's not just Metal Gear or Castlevania or Silent Hill. They want to be out of that business REAL bad. I don't blame them, their creators are gone, their business practices are dodgy, they don't have anyone with creative vision to take over those franchises and building a new franchise is super risky and uber costly. They want out.

And if they cease Pro Evo development I would buy it. But Pro Evo and Metal Gear Solid are profitable, and they have the infrastructure to make games. Not utilizing it and closing it all down would be more of a cost.

So I don't see them taking the hard exit and cutting their losses. They'll have at least 1 cynical attempt at making a console Metal Gear Solid game. They'll hire and keep the people who can get it done, they'll develop it on a truncated development timeline, then they'll use its failure (or the failure of its sequels) to excuse abandoning it. Just like Pro Evo has a steady consistent following, Konami will have to destroy Metal Gear Solid as it exists currently before they are able to leave it behind and make Pachinko games of it.

 

[Tomeru]

Dear god are you reaching.

First of all and for the millionth time, sexiness is not even the biggest problem of Quiet. It can be used as an example of A problem of having everyone in fiction (especially women) be sexy super models and a symptom of the common objectification of women in our societies, but the bigger problem is how she acts like a porn star in some porn shoot and how the camera angles are meant to take advantage of that. If someone had a painting where Quiet was in the kind of porn-shoot poses she is in the game, I doubt anyone would regard it as some kind of high art that is above criticism. Nude women are great. Art with nude women can be great. But there has to be some kind of logic to it all. If someone depicted World War II in some piece of art and just threw some random nude women there who were in poses Jenna Jameson would be proud with with no rhyme or reason, it would be criticized as well.

And there's nothing brilliant about Quiet. She's a text-book example of the objectification of women in our entertainment. There's no meta-commentary where Kojima is actually REALLY just criticizing the prevelance of such a phenomenon in the world. She's just a horribly designed sex object, in her default outfit.

Also, you CAN dress her up in proper military gear and she is automatically a much more believable character, thus making for a not-as-jarring experience, thus making it a better game. So yes, just dressing her up would make for a better game. Though her suggestive poses & camera angles focusing on her assets would still remain, so all of it wouldn't be fixed.

If you are closing your point with clothing, how am I reaching? Kojima did wellin pointing out how you see lightly clad women in gaming. In my opinion, which you are free to disagree with, Kojima nailed it - intentionally or not. Its not if Quiet is an interesting character. Its if she makes you see women as nothing but meat. Well congrats. I'll keep on reaching. Atleast I won't be playing the same tune as many of you keep playing because reasons. No perspective to be found here besides the norm.

 

[Mesoian]

And if they cease Pro Evo development I would buy it. But Pro Evo and Metal Gear Solid are profitable, and they have the infrastructure to make games. Not utilizing it and closing it all down would be more of a cost.

So I don't see them taking the hard exit and cutting their losses. They'll have at least 1 cynical attempt at making a console Metal Gear Solid game. They'll hire and keep the people who can get it done, they'll develop it on a truncated development timeline, then they'll use its failure (or the failure of its sequels) to excuse abandoning it. Just like Pro Evo has a steady consistent following, Konami will have to destroy Metal Gear Solid as it exists currently before they are able to leave it behind and make Pachinko games of it.

Hey man, look at PT. That thing took the world by storm. Whatever game came from that was going to be a massive seller.

They still shot it in the face.

It's not that what they have isn't profitable. It's that what they have is profitable and risky and the other half of what they have, Pachislot, health care facilities, Vegas contracts, is just as, if not, MORE profitable than games with 0 risk. They don't need this video game life anymore, and they certainly don't sound like they want it. It's like Sony. Sure, the Playstation brand is thriving and doing well, profitable year after year, but their Television division is still in the red year over year to the point where they discuss killing the division on an annual basis.

 

[Armaros]

Hey man, look at PT. That thing took the world by storm. Whatever game came from that was going to be a massive seller.

They still shot it in the face.

It's not that what they have isn't profitable. It's that what they have is profitable and risky and the other half of what they have, Pachislot, health care facilities, Vegas contracts, is just as, if not, MORE profitable than games with 0 risk. They don't need this video game life anymore, and they certainly don't sound like they want it.

The key point is always about profit margins.

How much will they make with how much they invest.

Video games have notoriously horrible margins.

 

[Mesoian]

The key point is always about profit margins.

How will they make with how much they invest.

Video games have notoriously horrible margins.

Totes. And their only going to get worse. We're on the dawn of VR where development will likely be the most expensive that it's ever been in the history of video games.

Konami ain't about that life.

No perspective to be found here besides the norm.

I'm just saying that arguments championing Quiet and her apparel are going to have to be pretty persuasive to convince the norm that there's more merit to her other than simple eye candy. Something more salient than, "you shouldn't care man, women are more than what they wear," which seems to be the frontrunning argument put forth.

 

[meltingparappa]

I've have watched Joosten do lets plays of the game with her friend

And Joosten was telling her how common this stuff is in MGS series but her friend kept telling her how demeaning it is yada yada yada... Joosten sat there looking gloomy trying to get her friend to enjoy the game. It was kinda sad.

Joosten embraces the fan art (even posts them on her twitter), she thinks the character is really cool, and she seems genuinely happy about her inclusion in the game while others are telling her how she should feel embarrassed or have more respect or whatever

Well that is certainly one of the more heartbreaking things I've read this week.

 

[Doctor Ironic]

That wasn't the point of what I was saying. Feel free to criticize Quiet's portrayal. Freedom of speech is very important for everyone. I said that because it seems that you don't want dissident voices added to the conversation, as evidenced by your statement of "If you don't want to add your voice, then you shouldn't post".

What the fuck else am I supposed to say to a post that says "hey I don't have anything to say but wanted to butt in on this anyways."

If you have nothing to say on the matter, okay cool. Don't say anything on the matter. Don't waste our time, especially when the argument is already muddled by people trying to view the issue "apolitically," and accusing her critics of being "offended by sexuality."

Well that is certainly one of the more heartbreaking things I've read this week.

Yeah, seriously. Does anyone have a link to that?

 

[The Technomancer]

Well that is certainly one of the more heartbreaking things I've read this week.

I mean yes, but if her friend is uncomfortable she's uncomfortable

 

[Bumhead]

Konami ain't about that life.

But they still are.

Not in a particularly major way, I'll give you that. But PES is still a thing (which like I say, not only has no end in sight, but is funded and supported enough to keep improving year after year), and nobody has said Metal Gear Solid is dead.

Yes they're heavily invested in Pachinko, which yes makes them a lot of cash. But a lot of this hubris about Konami being out of videogames doesn't hold much weight to me. It's something that isn't even backed up factually. Konami is still releasing good ones. The two they've released in the last month have reviewed excellently.

Kojima has come out of this all really well, and until it's proven otherwise I'm starting to think there was more to this than just "OH MY GOD #FucKonami!!!!". Elements of MGSV are absolutely fucking terrible. Narratively it's a joke. Stuff like the Quiet character being discussed in this thread is embarrassing. Kojima has been given a Carte Blanche free pass, and now the dust has settled on MGSV I'm starting to see through it a little, personally. I can absolutely believe that Konami's decision to bin off Kojima wasn't just about them being a shitty company.

 

[Mesoian]

But they still are.

Not in a particularly major way, I'll give you that. But PES is still a thing (which like I say, not only has no end in sight, but is funded and supported enough to keep improving year after year), and nobody has said Metal Gear Solid is dead.

Yes they're heavily invested in Pachinko, which yes makes them a lot of cash. But a lot of this hubris about Konami being out of videogames doesn't hold much weight to me. It's something that isn't even backed up factually. Konami is still releasing good ones. The two they've released in the last month have reviewed excellently.

Kojima has come out of this all really well, and until it's proven otherwise I'm starting to think there was more to this than just "OH MY GOD #FucKonami!!!!". Elements of MGSV are absolutely fucking terrible. Narratively it's a joke. Stuff like the Quiet character being discussed in this thread is embarrassing. Kojima has been given a Carte Blanche free pass, and now the dust has settled on MGSV I'm starting to see through it a little, personally. I can absolutely believe that Konami's decision to bin off Kojima wasn't just about them being a shitty company.

Time will tell.

But there's no reason to be optimistic about anything going on at Konami right now.

 

[Tomeru]

I'm just saying that arguments championing Quiet and her apparel are going to have to be pretty persuasive to convince the norm that there's more merit to her other than simple eye candy. Something more salient than, "you shouldn't care man, women are more than what they wear," which seems to be the frontrunning argument put forth.

Its not about Quiet. Its about how women in gaming are concieved by us. Convincing someone in a case like this is as hard as convincing a religious man that he is wrong. Besides, what is the alternative?

 

[Htown]

I'm sure shit sucks for Ahmed Best, too. That doesn't have shit to do with whether or not Jar Jar Binks was a garbage character.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

But they still are.

Not in a particularly major way, I'll give you that. But PES is still a thing (which like I say, not only has no end in sight, but is funded and supported enough to keep improving year after year), and nobody has said Metal Gear Solid is dead.

Yes they're heavily invested in Pachinko, which yes makes them a lot of cash. But a lot of this hubris about Konami being out of videogames doesn't hold much weight to me. It's something that isn't even backed up factually. Konami is still releasing good ones. The two they've released in the last month have reviewed excellently.

Kojima has come out of this all really well, and until it's proven otherwise I'm starting to think there was more to this than just "OH MY GOD #FucKonami!!!!". Elements of MGSV are absolutely fucking terrible. Narratively it's a joke. Stuff like the Quiet character being discussed in this thread is embarrassing. Kojima has been given a Carte Blanche free pass, and now the dust has settled on MGSV I'm starting to see through it a little, personally. I can absolutely believe that Konami's decision to bin off Kojima wasn't just about them being a shitty company.

So how do you explain what happened to Igarashi? They got rid of all their major creators.

 

[Seven4sses]

I prefer Sniper Wolf over Quiet, but then again, nothing beats The End.

 

[Spaghetti]

I can absolutely believe that Konami's decision to bin off Kojima wasn't just about them being a shitty company.

i wouldn't call making him agree to a.) cutting off the start of the game to sell separately for a premium and b.) including microtransactions that affect the single player experience carte blanche

nor do i think konami cares about the story of metal gear in any way at all

or that the people who brought us 'EROTIC VIOLENCE' gives any kind of a flying fuck about how blatant the sexualisation of quiet is

let's be real here, regardless of any opinions on kojima, konami are doing the same shit they did with silent hill (as mentioned in one of jim's previous videos) where they think any old game dev can make a sequel to the same quality without the creative people who made the original games a success.

 

[Garlador]

I'm sure shit sucks for Ahmed Best, too. That doesn't have shit to do with whether or not Jar Jar Binks was a garbage character.

That's the case for anyone who's likeness and talent is put in the hands of a director, trusting that they'll do good with it.

Sometimes, they do. And sometimes, that trust is misused, talent wasted, or beauty and sexuality exploited.

Hideo Kojima screwed up with Quiet, plain and simple. If he had a deeper meaner for her, it was buried under the pandering.

 

[Doctor Ironic]

What was the budget for MGSV again? $80 million? That pales in comparison to GTAV and RDR, but but certainly makes it the most expensive Metal Gear game yet. I wouldn't be surprised if Konami was freaking out due to lack of experience with projects that big, booted Kojima, and told who was left to fget it playable and ship it.

 

[Famassu]

If you are closing your point with clothing, how am I reaching? Kojima did wellin pointing out how you see lightly clad women in gaming. In my opinion, which you are free to disagree with, Kojima nailed it - intentionally or not. Its not if Quiet is an interesting character. Its if she makes you see women as nothing but meat. Well congrats. I'll keep on reaching. Atleast I won't be playing the same tune as many of you keep playing because reasons. No perspective to be found here besides the norm.

Learn to fucking read. My biggest qualm is not with her (lack of) clothing (though her design is pretty horribly objectifying as well), but with how she is portrayed as a sexy-pose sex object whose tits & ass are shoved in front of the camera constantly. And yes, in a game of war, when someone dresses & acts more like a porn star, that DOES make it a slightly lesser game. It's not believable in any way, not even within the framework of the pseudo-science/fantasy of Metal Gear Solid. It's doubly frustrating because Kojima HAS done somewhat sexy female characters far better than Quiet. Quiet is just a shitty character all-around (except gameplay-wise). That has got nothing to do with me being against sexy or sexuality in games.

And you're reaching with your "if you think she's just a sex object for titillation, then that's just Kojima successfully pointing out that you are just a perv yourself for judging her that way" KOJIMA TWIST theory. There's NOTHING supporting that kind of theory about Quiet. She's an objectified sex object. It's not some clever way of Kojima pointing out the hypocricy of people criticizing her kind of characters. It's not even a sensuel, sexual character done well. I'm not against well developed, sexual & sexy female characters. Quiet just isn't one.

 

[Mesoian]

Its not about Quiet. Its about how women in gaming are concieved by us. Convincing someone in a case like this is as hard as convincing a religious man that he is wrong. Besides, what is the alternative?

The alternative is creating a well thought out character who embraces their sexuality as part of their being, someone like Eva. Or Meryl. Or Wolf. Or hell, even Rose. Better characters in games with better stories.

 

[NullPointer]

Hideo Kojima screwed up with Quiet, plain and simple.

Havent the MGS games always had these cringey aspects? I remember plenty of that stuff in MGS 4. Dropping a pen to look up a skirt - Photomode stuff with boss ladies in skintight bodysuits, etc. Hell, if you want to talk about ass, I saw more than enough of snake's ass in MGS 4 too.

Figured it just comes with the Kojima territory. Is Quiet really a different matter? Or did people just expect him to tame that stuff down these days?

 

[Majukun]

i don't usually care about stuff like this,mostly because the internet likes to overreact to anything lately,especially regarding women and videogames..but this is indefendible..but also totally expected after mgs4 and the whole "boss in skin tight suits that try to hug you and do strange moans" thing

 

[Mesoian]

Havent the MGS games always had these cringey aspects? I remember plenty of that stuff in MGS 4. Dropping a pen to look up a skirt - Photomode stuff with boss ladies in skintight bodysuits, etc. Hell, if you want to talk about ass, I saw more than enough of snake's ass in MGS 4 too.

Figured it just comes with the Kojima territory. Is Quiet really a different matter? Or did people just expect him to tame that stuff down these days?

Those things are usually optional or played for jokes.

It is neither in the case of MGS5. You MUST look at it.

 

[BigDes]

Havent the MGS games always had these cringey aspects? I remember plenty of that stuff in MGS 4. Dropping a pen to look up a skirt - Photomode stuff with boss ladies in skintight bodysuits, etc. Hell, if you want to talk about ass, I saw more than enough of snake's ass in MGS 4 too.

Figured it just comes with the Kojima territory. Is Quiet really a different matter? Or did people just expect him to tame that stuff down these days?

I think it is specifically because Kojima told us that there would be a really good reason for Quiet's design and then it turned out the reason was pretty bullshit.

 

[NullPointer]

Those things are usually optional or played for jokes.

It is neither in the case of MGS5. You MUST look at it.

I think it is specifically because Kojima told us that there would be a really good reason for Quiet's design and then it turned out the reason was pretty bullshit.

Fair points - both of these. Though I'm not sure I'd say that seeing so much of Snake's ass in MGS 4 was optional ;p

 

[Village]

Those things are usually optional or played for jokes.

It is neither in the case of MGS5. You MUST look at it.

I don't think thats an excuse in some cases, some of that shit in mgs4 optional or not... was weird.

 

[Garlador]

I don't think thats an excuse in some cases, some of that shit in mgs4 optional or not... was weird.

I think it was a problem in MGS4 too. It really was.

But that game also came out SEVEN years ago (holy cow), and, well, times have change. A lot of change has happened in the past seven years, especially in terms of women as players and women in video games.

It's like Adam Sandler movies... we're growing up, but he hasn't. In this case, though, I think Hideo Kojima just actively got worse in how he handles Quiet's sex appeal. It was bad in MGS4, it's worse in MGS5, and many of us have simply had enough. Straw that broke the camel's back and all that.

 

[tuxfool]

I've have watched Joosten do lets plays of the game with her friend

And Joosten was telling her how common this stuff is in MGS series but her friend kept telling her how demeaning it is yada yada yada... Joosten sat there looking gloomy trying to get her friend to enjoy the game. It was kinda sad.

Joosten embraces the fan art (even posts them on her twitter), she thinks the character is really cool, and she seems genuinely happy about her inclusion in the game while others are telling her how she should feel embarrassed or have more respect or whatever

It isn't really surprising. Her job description is literally to be an object. If she didn't enjoy or at least tolerate these sorts of things she wouldn't be a model.

 

[Famassu]

Havent the MGS games always had these cringey aspects? I remember plenty of that stuff in MGS 4. Dropping a pen to look up a skirt - Photomode stuff with boss ladies in skintight bodysuits, etc. Hell, if you want to talk about ass, I saw more than enough of snake's ass in MGS 4 too.

Figured it just comes with the Kojima territory. Is Quiet really a different matter? Or did people just expect him to tame that stuff down these days?

Those are more like easter eggs & optional, and even then most of the stuff isn't quite as in your face as Quiet's pornographic poses & dances. It did get worse in MGS4 but MGS5 is even worse. If you keep Quiet with you, they constantly shove her ass & tits in front of the camera in poses that are more befit of porn movies where the next step would be Big Boss whipping out his cock and starting to fuck her, not a scene where two military-trained bad-asses are going in on a mission.

Its not about Quiet. Its about how women in gaming are concieved by us. Convincing someone in a case like this is as hard as convincing a religious man that he is wrong. Besides, what is the alternative?

It IS about Quiet and how she is yet another female character in entertainment who is there for nothing else but eye candy. There is that kind of meta context to this issue, but it's a worthwhile meta context about the treatment of women and how they are far too often there for just the eye candy and it in no way diminishes the criticism against Quiet being a horrible character. And again, it's not just Teh Sexy that is the problem, it's mostly how that sexy is handled.

The alternative is to not create stupid reasons to justify half-naked women who pose in sexy poses in an environment where they don't fit and then use camera angles that pretty much force you to oggle at their breasts & asses every chance there is. A military environment like MGSs is not one where a character like Quiet fits, even with all the cray cray that happens in these games.

 

[Woo-Fu]

I prefer Sniper Wolf over Quiet, but then again, nothing beats The End.

Spoiler

You can unlock a Sniper Wolf outfit, including blonde hair for Quiet.

The stretching in the helicopter was a bit over the top, then again maybe she's just trying to catch Snake's eye?

I'd still rate her character over everybody else in the game outside of d-dog.

 

[Doctor Ironic]

It isn't really surprising. Her job description is literally to be an object. If she didn't enjoy or at least tolerate these sorts of things she wouldn't be a model.

That is seriously not how modeling works.

 

[Bumhead]

Time will tell.

But there's no reason to be optimistic about anything going on at Konami right now.

Don't get me wrong. I agree with you, generally.

The fact that PES has been described as the best football game ever made by more than one review today gives some optimism. But I understand sports games aren't what gets a lot of people excited, and that is the one franchise you can say that about from them right now. I'm not pretending Konami are suddenly coming back to gaming in a big way just because PES is good again.

i wouldn't call making him agree to a.) cutting off the start of the game to sell separately for a premium and b.) including microtransactions that affect the single player experience carte blanche

nor do i think konami cares about the story of metal gear in any way at all

or that the people who brought us 'EROTIC VIOLENCE' gives any kind of a flying fuck about how blatant the sexualisation of quiet is

let's be real here, regardless of any opinions on kojima, konami are doing the same shit they did with silent hill (as mentioned in one of jim's previous videos) where they think any old game dev can make a sequel to the same quality without the creative people who made the original games a success.

Agree with most of this as well. Konami aren't deserving of anyone's sympathy or really their support, at this point. They're a shit company and Jim's videos on the subject have been as entertaining as they have been (unfortunately) enlightening.

I just don't think Kojima is beyond reproach either, that's all. And it wouldn't surprise me (note, I don't know for certain either way as much as anyone else does) if the fallout and its knock on effects to projects like MGSV and Silent Hills wasn't ALL down to Konami. There is some real, REAL bullshit in MGSV. Some stuff that Kojima has to take responsibility for. And I'm not talking about unfinished elements here, or stuff that's potentially been left on the table while Konami lost patience. I'm talking about stuff that Kojima was directly responsible for, was able to finish and has even personally defended under criticism.

 

[Reishiki]

It is neither in the case of MGS5. You MUST look at it.

As mentioned above, must you? As I am lead to understand, Quiet can be 'skipped' (in a way).

 

[tuxfool]

That is seriously not how modeling works.

It is right there in the name.

 

[NullPointer]

A military environment like MGSs is not one where a character like Quiet fits, even with all the cray cray that happens in these games.

I think its hilarious that you can even try to draw these lines.

Once you have aerial whales made of fire devouring helicopters all bets are off.

I am glad we got as much of the full Kojima as possible with this game (though I guess some stuff as cut? I've stayed away from details for spoiler reasons), even if it comes with some true wince material. End of an era and all.

 

[Tomeru]

The alternative is creating a well thought out character who embraces their sexuality as part of their being, someone like Eva. Or Meryl. Or Wolf. Or hell, even Rose. Better characters in games with better stories.

Its like Quiet desn't shoot her sniper rifle when you tell her to, and instead poses for the camera from a mountain top. Cherry picking at its finest.

 

[Lime]

Figured it just comes with the Kojima territory. Is Quiet really a different matter? Or did people just expect him to tame that stuff down these days?

Spoiler

Sexualized torture and attempted rape

of the one and only female character in the game who apparently is a mute stripper sniper is just too much for me:

***SPOILERS***

Spoiler

And then the usual obvious dumb wank:

Spoiler

Example 1
Example 2

I know the PTSD strippers and the easter-egg sexism were problematic in the previous series, but this just takes it to another level.

 

[tuxfool]

I know the PTSD strippers and the easter-egg sexism were problematic in the previous series, but this just takes it to another level.

Quite. In this aspect the series ultimately is regressive as time goes by. What used to be hidden easter eggs, become more overt.

 

[JDSN]

Surprised no one has tried to make a point that the model is okay with it so we all should, its my favorite tone deaf argument of them all.

 

[meltingparappa]

If you keep Quiet with you, they constantly shove her ass & tits in front of the camera in poses that are more befit of porn movies where the next step would be Big Boss whipping out his cock and starting to fuck her, not a scene where two military-trained bad-asses are going in on a mission.

I think this is maybe a little more than a single step beyond a fully grown woman in a swimsuit playing in the rain.

 

[Brashnir]

If George Lucas wants him to be stupid then yes, he has to be stupid.

Why is Jar Jar not allowed to be stupid is the most important question here.

I love this post so much I want to watch it rolling around in the rain shoving its vowels in front of the camera.

 

[d9b]

Those are more like easter eggs & optional, and even then most of the stuff isn't quite as in your face as Quiet's pornographic poses & dances. It did get worse in MGS4 but MGS5 is even worse. If you keep Quiet with you, they constantly shove her ass & tits in front of the camera in poses that are more befit of porn movies where the next step would be Big Boss whipping out his cock and starting to fuck her, not a scene where two military-trained bad-asses are going in on a mission.


It IS about Quiet and how she is yet another female character in entertainment who is there for nothing else but eye candy. There is that kind of meta context to this issue, but it's a worthwhile meta context about the treatment of women and how they are far too often there for just the eye candy and it in no way diminishes the criticism against Quiet being a horrible character. And again, it's not just Teh Sexy that is the problem, it's mostly how that sexy is handled.

The alternative is to not create stupid reasons to justify half-naked women who pose in sexy poses in an environment where they don't fit and then use camera angles that pretty much force you to oggle at their breasts & asses every chance there is. A military environment like MGSs is not one where a character like Quiet fits, even with all the cray cray that happens in these games.

Whoa! Aaaaaand I'm out of this thread.

 

[Condemned]

Only "gamers" get offended by this. Im sorry but theres nothing wrong with the character.

 

[Dice//]

Surprised no one has tried to make a point that the model is okay with it so we all should, its my favorite tone deaf argument of them all.

They did, you must have just missed it

Only "gamers" get offended by this. Im sorry but theres nothing wrong with the character.

Opinions, amirite

 

[Platy]

Surprised no one has tried to make a point that the model is okay with it so we all should, its my favorite tone deaf argument of them all.

They had

If Quiets real life model came out and said she thought it was disgraceful and shes being objectified, id be like "fair enough, Kojima has gone too far". But instead shes posting on twitter about how she wishes she wasnt at work (on a modelling shoot) so she could be home playing MGSV. So really i dont have a problem with this.
Quiet looks hot and kicks ass, like about 10,000 other videogame women. Nothing new. Maybe Kojimas reasoning behind it was retarded (and it was), but yeah, if Stefanie Joosten isnt crying inter her cornflakes over Quiet doing some sexy poses, i think ill hold back my righteous indignation for now.

also

Only "gamers" get offended by this. Im sorry but theres nothing wrong with the character.

Yes, because we are the only one that could take up this bullshit.
I mean, you people, I am not giving this game 1 cent =P

The rest just looks at it and laugh like "lol they expect us to see this shit ?" exactly like we see a transformers movie

 

[EdibleExplosives]

I feel the same as Jim, I'd probably be fine with it if Kojima was just up front about it.
MGS games in general are pretty pervy. Embrace it, don't try to pretend it's more meaningful than just wanting to see a pair of tits bounce.

What you trying to say about Stefanie Joosten?

Spoiler

I feel ashamed of my words and deeds.

Hey, the actress actually has an ass. I think Kojima spent too much time working on boob physics, and didn't have any time left to enhance the most important part.

 

[DrArchon]

Only "gamers" get offended by this. Im sorry but theres nothing wrong with the character.

Care to explain why you find nothing wrong? Or are you just gonna lump every critic together into one big pile and then leave?

 

[Lime]

Whoa! Aaaaaand I'm out of this thread.

I mean, why not just be honest about it? The entire purpose of that character is to make heterosexual dicks hard and tittilate. Why not just throw up some porn or something instead of this whole "porn-but-not-porn" excuse?

The design and camera work is bordering on soft-core porn.

 

[erawsd]

Surprised no one has tried to make a point that the model is okay with it so we all should, its my favorite tone deaf argument of them all.

Be surprised no more...

If Quiets real life model came out and said she thought it was disgraceful and shes being objectified, id be like "fair enough, Kojima has gone too far". But instead shes posting on twitter about how she wishes she wasnt at work (on a modelling shoot) so she could be home playing MGSV. So really i dont have a problem with this.
Quiet looks hot and kicks ass, like about 10,000 other videogame women. Nothing new. Maybe Kojimas reasoning behind it was retarded (and it was), but yeah, if Stefanie Joosten isnt crying inter her cornflakes over Quiet doing some sexy poses, i think ill hold back my righteous indignation for now.