Well the Raikov mask didn't work with one eye, and its lips didn't move.
The Metal Gear continuity is nonsense built atop shit.
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Well the Raikov mask didn't work with one eye, and its lips didn't move.
The Metal Gear continuity is nonsense built atop shit.
I think conceptually the idea was that Big Boss woke up before the medic, but stuck around waiting for him to wake up to execute his brilliant switch-a-roo plan. It's a pretty fucking dumb plan though. Didn't know Big Boss was such a wuss in reality.
Wouldn't the plan have been fine if the medic just died with everyone thinking he was Big Boss? Would have got the world off his back all the same. Unless they do a DNA test on his remains or something.
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Xpike
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I think conceptually the idea was that Big Boss woke up before the medic, but stuck around waiting for him to wake up to execute his brilliant switch-a-roo plan. It's a pretty fucking dumb plan though. Didn't know Big Boss was such a wuss in reality.
well the dude did send 2 of his best and most loyal soldiers to die in his own fortress so that he could keep up the charade of being FOXHOUND leader.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
As good as the soundtrack can be at times, they then choose to not use it at all. Like the trailers feel like the real form of those cutscenes. Is the track from the Launch Trailer thats used when Sahelanthropus is stomping and "ULTIMATE STORY" flashes up on the OST or anywhere? Thats like the games main chord theme, but can't seem to find it at its most intense.
Yeah but tanks with perfect sniping ability still took the piss on the occasion.
Huey was just as shit. Salanth couldn't stand on its own without psychic powers behind it. Which funnily enough ties into Portable Ops...
With the... creepy for their age, dom and sub relationship Eli and Psycho Mantis have, its hilarious to think about Mantis going off and doing stupid shit in later life until he accidentally imprints a psycho killer onto himself and that he also loses the majority of his reality bending powers. "Oh hey Liquid, yeah, I can't do any of that anymore oh you're real angry huh eek".
Yeah but tanks with perfect sniping ability still took the piss on the occasion.
The funniest thing about Eli as a kid getting away with the most advanced Metal Gear in the entire series, is that we really have to wonder now why the fuck he would just settle for Rex in MGS. Otacon is a shit engineer! Lol.
Huey was just as shit. Salanth couldn't stand on its own without psychic powers behind it. Which funnily enough ties into Portable Ops...
With the... creepy for their age, dom and sub relationship Eli and Psycho Mantis have, its hilarious to think about Mantis going off and doing stupid shit in later life until he accidentally imprints a psycho killer onto himself and that he also loses the majority of his reality bending powers. "Oh hey Liquid, yeah, I can't do any of that anymore oh you're real angry huh eek".
Real proof that BB is a demon
lol, now this makes sense.
"Good luck with my life, dickhead"
Yeah, but it came back to him when Ocelot gave him his new passport and it said "Asshole" as his new name.
Zomba13
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For variety, I wish more missions had On Site Procurement versions. It makes you (me) approach a completely different way without my tranq sniper and pistol and rocket arm.
I could always just go into missions naked but then that is just replaying and forcing a handicap on me rather than the game saying "here is a challenge" and I'm not a fan of making things harder for myself without an actual reward or reason.
I could always just go into missions naked but then that is just replaying and forcing a handicap on me rather than the game saying "here is a challenge" and I'm not a fan of making things harder for myself without an actual reward or reason.
ThatArcher
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In one of the tapes BB says that he is the best of the soldiers they had so his skills are his own but his experiences made him Snake like. Of course he wasn't as good as BB which I guess is how he gets killed by SS
Yeah I don't think it would work if he actually died. The point of the "plan" was that he is a guy who looks like Big Boss and thinks he is Big Boss and doing stuff that Big Boss would do, big and loud, like building up Diamond Dogs. So the real Big Boss can work in "secret" to build the "real" Outer Heaven, while everyone is distracted.
It's a pretty dumb plan because in reality, Big Boss could have just done both himself - a cover operation PMC run by Miller to distract people, while building the real Outer Heaven somewhere else. It's also a dumb story point because in the end it really isn't satisfying. At the end of Peace Walker there was a real sense of accomplishment in feeling that MSF would eventually lead into the real Outer Heaven. With Diamond Dogs, you're basically told at the end that you were the decoy and that nothing you did in the game has any real impact. That's probably the most disappointing thematic element in the game.
But the real BB gets killed by SS in MG2 too. So I guess both Big Boss and Venom Snake just aren't that good in their old age!
wait you can't turn your PS4 off and turn it on again?
fkn Kojima!!!!!!!!!!!111111111
Love Deterrence
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Ok, guys. I'm walking around Mother Base right now, and I hear a soldier say "Boss, no matter who you are, you're still my CO." So... I guess everyone and their momma knows??????? Uh...
The plan wasn't that. The plan was for Big Boss' reputation to grow despite the real one sipping Piña Coladas on easy street.
I still don't get what "Vic" Boss means.
"Victoria". Victory Boss. An alias that was given to him by the Costa Rican revolutionaries.
And the weird thing is, I think it was meant to be some fourth-wall-breaking thing where you were actually supposed to feel accomplished because Big Boss was, like, congratulating you the player for doing all that cool shit yourself. But it kind of failed in execution. and instead feels like you did nothing noteworthy.
ThatArcher
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Yeah I don't think it would work if he actually died. The point of the "plan" was that he is a guy who looks like Big Boss and thinks he is Big Boss and doing stuff that Big Boss would do, big and loud, like building up Diamond Dogs. So the real Big Boss can work in "secret" to build the "real" Outer Heaven, while everyone is distracted.
It's a pretty dumb plan because in reality, Big Boss could have just done both himself - a cover operation PMC run by Miller to distract people, while building the real Outer Heaven somewhere else. It's also a dumb story point because in the end it really isn't satisfying. At the end of Peace Walker there was a real sense of accomplishment in feeling that MSF would eventually lead into the real Outer Heaven. With Diamond Dogs, you're basically told at the end that you were the decoy and that nothing you did in the game has any real impact. That's probably the most disappointing thematic element in the game.
But the real BB gets killed by SS in MG2 too. So I guess both Big Boss and Venom Snake just aren't that good in their old age!
That's different, his arthritis was kicking in in MGS 2
Portable Ops had really, really cool cutscenes. I really liked the way the story played out, especially towards the end. Too bad the gameplay was turd-tier, or people would remember it more fondly.
Maybe... it's the opposite. Over the years as he grew up, Eli lost his edge and mellowed, so without a strong rage driving his lust for revenge, Psycho Mantis had nothing to draw upon!
ShockingAlberto
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I am shocked how little Liquid knew in MGS1 about the Patriots and Outer Heaven. He did like no research on any of this stuff from the ages of 12 to 25.
Of course the actual answer is none of this stuff existed until Kojima made it up later, but still.
Of course the actual answer is none of this stuff existed until Kojima made it up later, but still.
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He's the fifth Snake, assuming they started this insane plan after Solidus was born sometime between 1972 and 1976. Also it gives Konami a good marketing slogan.
You're arguing senantics, that's the same thing.
NinjamicWZ
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I can see where you're coming from, then. It's mostly infiltration, get in and get out... no blowing cigarette smoke at lasers. The closest thing to something like equipping Sniper Wolf's handkerchief to keep the wolves docile, is the tapes you can play for various effects. There in spirit, but not quite as tangible.
Maybe there's more that the "little gameplay details" thread will reveal over time.
This is why, as much as the open infilitration gameplay is like a dream come true for people who like to linger in an area and troll guards in other MGS games, but the game could have definitely used some more directed sequences ala Mission 1 and Mission 43 that could get more creative with the obstacles it puts in front of you.
Zomba13
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I really hate when games try to get meta in that way, by saying "it's not the named character that did all this stuff! It's yooooooooou!". Like, that works in things like Mass Effect or Dragon Age or Elder Scrolls or an MMO because you create the character from scratch, have very little back story and decide the direction you want to go.
It doesn't work when they pull the switcheroo here because even though the acts in this game are "all us" because of our create a face Big Boss, the memories and skills and all that were just put into him from BB anyway and it's only after the events of the game, in 1995 that he finds out he wasn't BB. So it isn't like a no name guy taking the title and adding to the legend, it's a guy who is Big Boss doing what Big Boss would do with the skills and people Big Boss would do it with.
The end card on the unfinished episode 51 stuff suggests that right after everyone thinks he got napalmed, he and Mantis fly to America. If that's the case, I think it makes perfect sense. Eli is probably just another victim of the American education system.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Its funny actually the progression and stakes that are lacking from aspects of MGSV's gameplay are the frustrations the early soldier kidnap systems used to involve. You want that S rank soldier at the end of the base? Drag him all the fucking way back to that van, you asshole. ALL THE WAY. YOU MUST REALLY WANT HIM HUH.
Then by MGSV you just fulton vans up into wormholes.
On the other side, deploying troops in Peace Walker was so much better compared to in MGSV. You got little cutscenes showing the icons shooting at each other and how the battles played out in PW. In MGSV its just "yeah, some people died but look, plants n shit!"
Liquid was still repeating the same lines decades later. He was an 2edgy5me asshole all the way through. No chill pill there.
ThatArcher
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What!!!??? Okay I'm confused now
ShockingAlberto
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I think the ideal post-credits scene isn't Miller and Ocelot crystal-balling about the future, it should have been Miller coming home to his Alaska cabin, then Cam Clarke saying "It's been a long time." Then the two talk for a minute until Liquid kills him.
I think the game heavily implies that it was Ocelot who killed him.
Zomba13
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The end card on the unfinished episode 51 stuff suggests that right after everyone thinks he got napalmed, he and Mantis fly to America. If that's the case, I think it makes perfect sense. Eli is probably just another victim of the American education system.
"Eli, what is the capitol of France?"
"Mah name is White Mamba!"
"Now Eli, what have I told you about using that nom de guerre?"
"This isn't over yet!" *Runs at teacher with a plastic chair*
ShockingAlberto
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Does it? That's actually kind of disappointing, if only because it is different from what I had always thought.
That would imply that Miller and Eli had any kind of relationship in MGSV. I'm surprised Liquid remembers Miller, and even more surprised he can even impersonate his accent; I don't think the two had one conversation.
It's not 100% confirmed, though. But the ending to MGSV has Ocelot and Miller debating over who will take which position, and Ocelot says that "one day, one will have to kill the other", at which Miller responds "Fine by me".
And a bitchin' soundtrack to boot. Showtime, Hot War and Calling to the Night are among my favorite videogame tracks.
Marty-esque
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Did they both wake up at the same time from their comas? I forget where it explains this.
They had long conversations. Off screen of course and referenced through radio calls and cassette tapes.
ThatArcher
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Miller interrogated Eli heavily just before and during when the Children escaped OH. Ocelot even argued over many tapes that Miller was going soft on Eli because he grew too close to him and the other children
MarcoZombieCannon
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With how much Miller talks, it wouldn't surprise me if everyone on Mother Base could impersonate him.
That's really disappointing to hear. I'm really early in the game but I've spoiled a bit for myself because all I want to know is if Snake turns into a villain. That's the idea that got me interested in the game without playing any of the others. The song is awesome, so it really doesn't match up with Snake's character in the game?
ShockingAlberto
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Miller really liked Eli, but it's only talked about for some reason.
Every tape that mentions Eli is up to something, Ocelot scolds Miller for taking it too easy on him because he's "always had a soft spot for Eli."
Why? Who knows! That part is never on tape. Maybe he sees himself in a blonde kid who is an outsider in a post-war society. Maybe they both like hamburgers.
Messypandas
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*start tape recording "This guy is one of the best soldiers I have.... Also fuck me, dude sounds EXACTLY like me. Hope he has no family or relatives, or likes his face, got a cool contingency plan. Snake out."
Pie and Beans
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Showtime (thats the one from the original MGSPO trailer yeh?) is like the defacto MGS theme to me.
Instrumental of Calling as MGO music was spine tingling.
BB wakes up first. In one of the 'truth' tapes.
NinjamicWZ
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The retcon disconnect though is that Venom Snake did things here and went through hell that Solid Snake couldn't even come close to until he rapidly aged, crawled through a microwave corridor and stared down the future of Metal Gear proliferation on the battlefield. Ain't no way some wet behind the ears, product of special forces fast track nepotism is going to take this guy out.
Unless he's all "I don't want to live anymore. This is pointless. I miss Quiet." and goes suicide-by-Snake by taking a convincing dive.
In one of the tapes Miller talks about being abandoned and shit on by adults when he was a kid, and how he wanted to grow up and show them all/prove everyone wrong by becoming a great soldier and what he feels is a good man. Just a fatherhood feeling of giving the kids opportunities he never had.
I find the idea of grandpa Ocelot going into Miller's cabin to kill a blind old man missing an arm and a leg really hilarious for some reason. Too bad Kojima Productions is gone, because this sounds like it would make a great Secret Theater clip in some future re-release.
Snake's basically a teddy bear in this game.
That's the problem with this game's presentation. All the cool stuff happens off screen and we only learn bits and pieces of it after the fact through cassette tapes that we'll probably listen to while we're actually playing a mission and only half pay attention to.
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