They fuelled resolutiongate too. They're an embarrassment.
Phil Spencer Discusses Why FFXIV Isn't on Xbox (Contradictions?)
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They fuelled resolutiongate too. They're an embarrassment.
3rdamention
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Wow, smh! Thats a first. I have never seen anyone go to twitter to link a single post that got under their skin. I mean, I understand linking to a whole thread.
But seriously Statham? This one post, like a 2 sentence post, is everything that is wrong with GAF? You go from saying a bit ago that you hate posting here, then you link to someone on twitter saying they are everything wrong with GAF, end it with "Fuckin GAF"
I thought reading and posting on NeoGAF was optional, no?
Damerman
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The Artisan
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pFWcX5cIK8
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/03/24/amazon-france-lists-bloodborne-for-pc
http://www.ign.com/videos/2015/03/24/bloodborne-pc-edition-dragon-age-new-dlc-ign-daily-fix
fuckin' naomi
and let's not forget they prematurely announced tlg's cancellation. that's one thing i think were actually embarrassed about.
can someone please tell me what this is and what the reference is in respect to the thread?
MoonsaultSlayer
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Bitter, angry and hateful huh? Hmph.
Anyway, I sense a lack passion here.
Anyway, I sense a lack passion here.
The Mad Draklor
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Newtype-001
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Just watch.
10 Second Version. Best impact.
https://youtu.be/OLVcXphOVZo
Full video
https://youtu.be/WcWM_1hBu_c
The Artisan
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lmao!
MoonsaultSlayer
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Now we need to know how this became a thing. Was there a thread?
PR is PR, I can stomach a certain amount of it from all quarters, so if Spencer wants to come up with a line to deflect from the FFXIV issue then that's fine with me. What I find particularly bad about what he said though is trying to insinuate some kind of deal between Sony and SE (and via his language trying to make it sound almost underhanded - oh the irony), when all evidence is to the contrary and the problem is MS's own policies.
If I were an executive at Sony and SE I'd be none to happy about that, particularly SE that has a REAL exclusivity agreement with MS. I'd be calling Spencer asking why he's trying to throw my company under the bus for something that's not even my problem but is his.
If I were an executive at Sony and SE I'd be none to happy about that, particularly SE that has a REAL exclusivity agreement with MS. I'd be calling Spencer asking why he's trying to throw my company under the bus for something that's not even my problem but is his.
Yeah, the behavior in this thread is very civilized, not like other microsoft threads.
GreatestHits
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Hell it coulda became a thing from this thread. It was a thing when it was posted online. Listen to that dude's vocals, look at his confidence, it's gold.
Yeah bravo everyone for keeping the thread mature. Phil doesn't need us to pile it on, he takes care of that himself
Ew. The gaming gods are going to send them to hell for that.
graywolf323
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it'd be amazing if this could be statham's tag for a while
CalamityPixel
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God damn these threads, this one has been pretty mature though. Sure there is something up with what Phil said, but the hate mongering on him as been very disgusting.
In regards to the quote, I think it's either his PR team fudging up, Phil generally being unaware that FF can come to the Xbone, possibly a company policy permitting cross-console play and the most unlikely one, (put conspiracy hats on here) Sony may have a contract permitting it to be on other consoles.
Hopefully what ever happens, the game will come to the Xbone and the NX, I had fun playing it on PS4 and PC.
In regards to the quote, I think it's either his PR team fudging up, Phil generally being unaware that FF can come to the Xbone, possibly a company policy permitting cross-console play and the most unlikely one, (put conspiracy hats on here) Sony may have a contract permitting it to be on other consoles.
Hopefully what ever happens, the game will come to the Xbone and the NX, I had fun playing it on PS4 and PC.
Head.spawn
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Go_Ly_Dow
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They dont. Vanilla last gen FFXIV was also mentioned in dozens of interviews that they wanted the game on 360, but Microsoft's laws prevented so.
On the xbox 360 , Final Fantasy XI received a port because sony wasn't interested in any kind of deal to get it up and running on the PS3(natively anyway, launch units could have played it via backwards compatibility) AND , as I recall that version of the game made it out before the PS3 even launched.
It was like a grey area/loop hole because any cross platform play would have technically been between PS2 and Xbox 360 , the generational gap didn't bother MS because in some cases ps2 owners may well have upgraded to 360 and that meant more sales.
With FF14 though , you've got a game that initially only had a large PC userbase which then got split into a PS3 userbase and eventually a PS4 userbase. Microsoft isn't likely to be winning any PS3 owners over their camp should there be an xbox one edition released so what's in it for them to let square release a product where people can not only play with each other across platforms BUT also see how much better looking the PS4 version of the game is ? There's just not really a positive in that situation.
Now, obviously - what PR person is going to go out and admit any of this ? At best it would lead to a bunch of articles barfed up online about how "MS is too cheap to let Square publish ff14 on xbox one" to at worst "there's so little money in third party gaming on xbox one that square won't publish ff14 there".
Honestly though, at this point , were I in charge of third party licensing, I'd just let square make a port and allow them to let players play their game without XBL gold AND play on the same servers. More software is always good, even if your version might be inferior in a few ways.
It was like a grey area/loop hole because any cross platform play would have technically been between PS2 and Xbox 360 , the generational gap didn't bother MS because in some cases ps2 owners may well have upgraded to 360 and that meant more sales.
With FF14 though , you've got a game that initially only had a large PC userbase which then got split into a PS3 userbase and eventually a PS4 userbase. Microsoft isn't likely to be winning any PS3 owners over their camp should there be an xbox one edition released so what's in it for them to let square release a product where people can not only play with each other across platforms BUT also see how much better looking the PS4 version of the game is ? There's just not really a positive in that situation.
Now, obviously - what PR person is going to go out and admit any of this ? At best it would lead to a bunch of articles barfed up online about how "MS is too cheap to let Square publish ff14 on xbox one" to at worst "there's so little money in third party gaming on xbox one that square won't publish ff14 there".
Honestly though, at this point , were I in charge of third party licensing, I'd just let square make a port and allow them to let players play their game without XBL gold AND play on the same servers. More software is always good, even if your version might be inferior in a few ways.
Makoto Yuki
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Can read my
Can read my
Neogaf can read my PR face
(Spencers got it like nobody)
Can read my
Can read my
Neogaf can read my PR face
(Spencers got it like nobody )
P-P-P-PR Face, P-P-P-PR Face,
(Muh Muh Muh Muh)
P-P-P-PR Face, P-P-P-PR Face,
(Muh Muh Muh Muh)
Regret Upon Approval
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Based off that Bloodstained thing.
They aren't opposed to cross-play, provided they call the shots.
It seems like if they don't get to call said shots then they'll actively be an obstacle to ports of games.
It is a real head scratcher. You aren't the market leader by any stretch or metric so why do you think you can act like it. You are in no position to think making it difficult for developers is going to benefit you.
And the quote itself obfuscates the issue and without the context I wouldn't even know it was about FF and would have thought it was something about Tomb Raider.
I'm very disappointed.
They aren't opposed to cross-play, provided they call the shots.
It seems like if they don't get to call said shots then they'll actively be an obstacle to ports of games.
It is a real head scratcher. You aren't the market leader by any stretch or metric so why do you think you can act like it. You are in no position to think making it difficult for developers is going to benefit you.
And the quote itself obfuscates the issue and without the context I wouldn't even know it was about FF and would have thought it was something about Tomb Raider.
I'm very disappointed.
What are the costs involved in playing this game on the respective platforms? Just a subscription fee regardless of platform, or does it require PS+ on PS4? Are there any in game purchases/paid expansions, and if so are purchases shared across PC/Playstation? Does one subscription work across PC/Playstation?
That's nice. He should probably spend more time on his job though, apparently. He doesn't even know what's going on with games trying to get on their platform and is misinformed about it.
statham
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In his spare time he volunteers and cooks pancakes for thehomelessinterns.
Nice pancakes.
RedAssedApe
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In his spare time he volunteers and cooks pancakes for thehomelessinterns.
Lol Xbox themed pancakes
The Mad Draklor
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Pretty meh, but it's not the worst post I've read today.
Primethius
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I think this is my biggest problem with this PR.
Like I know PR is supposed to spin things, but still, not a good look.
Edit: Lmao @ the Statham tweet.
Thebeardofknowledge
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Man this thread had everything
Nope
Audioboxer
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NeoGAF goes whatever way the wind blows. You'd know that if you've been around for a few years.
Shitty policies get ranted on whoever they are from.
MS could sort out FF14 on the One very easily if they wanted to.
Is there any concrete evidence that MS would allow/support Xbox - PC cross platform multiplayer where the PC version existed outside of the Xbox Live ecosystem? I know they'll allow it for games sold through the Windows 10 App store, and supported it in the past via GFWL, but I don't think a situation like SF5 (where PSN interfaces with Steamworks) would be possible for Xbox.
PS+ is not required.
There's no cross buy for the base game, you must purchase each version separately. Same applies to expansions, if you own the game on multiple platforms you have to purchase the expansion on each platform to continue playing your characters on everything.
One sub covers your account so if you own the game on multiple platforms you can hop back and forth without worrying about any extra sub fees. Subs cannot be purchased on PSN; you can purchase it directly from Square on their account site using a credit card, PayPal, steam wallet if you own the Steam version or you can buy a prepaid game time card and redeem it at squares site. Any purchases made from the cash shop (cosmetic gear mostly) are account bound and once again these purchases cannot be done on PSN and must be done on Squares site (steam wallet is available though if you own the Steam version).
That's one extremely pessimistic way of looking at public relations.
...Scatter...
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In his spare time he volunteers and cooks pancakes for thehomelessinterns.
Yooooo. I want some Xbox pancakes!
Just so you know (if it hasn't been answered yet), the PC/PS4/PS3 versions of FFXIV ARR are all the same across the board, expect for graphical differences. They share the same servers and all support cross play. Not only that, but you are tied to one account for the game, so you can play it on PS4, and also play it on PC with the same account and characters if you want.
FFXIV ARR also doesn't require Playstation Plus.
EDIT: Dah, beaten by Killthee.
Seems like an extremely accurate way of looking at it in this industry.
You actually need two purchases of the game if you want to play on both PC and PS4. Same with expansion.
Primethius
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I didn't mean in relation to every bit of PR, but moreso in situations like this where you're trying to look good in the face of the decision that's been made.
So maybe its just the way Live was built that doesnt allow for it, or that they dont want to possibly compromise the security of Live? That could be the case, i suppose. Not saying there's direct corrolation, but i remember PSN went down the day after Portal 2 launched with Steamworks integration on PS3 lol
LiquidSolid
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No, in fact Yoshida pointed this out in a quote that was posted earlier in the thread.
IGN should have also asked anybody but EA, why people hate EA.
To expect IGN to have a spine or something equivalent is amusing.
After the XBOX One launch debacle, it's pretty safe to assume that a fair number of gamers have lost their faith in Microsoft. It's a bad emotional experience that may have repercussions lasting for years. You cannot really blame the gamers though; people hurt most when they get betrayed by their loved ones, and back in the 360 era Microsoft poured tons of PR resources to create a fanboy-centered enthusiastic culture.
Phil... generally speaking is a good guy, and he is indeed trying to fix the XBOX division (whether he succeeds or not remains debatable). However when you work for a big profit-driven, KPI-focused company, you have to deal with the necessary evil. After all those messes about XBOX One's unfair indie developer policy, I really don't think that Phil is going to admit that there is another institutional flaw inside Microsoft. It sounds bad, but totally understandable.
Phil... generally speaking is a good guy, and he is indeed trying to fix the XBOX division (whether he succeeds or not remains debatable). However when you work for a big profit-driven, KPI-focused company, you have to deal with the necessary evil. After all those messes about XBOX One's unfair indie developer policy, I really don't think that Phil is going to admit that there is another institutional flaw inside Microsoft. It sounds bad, but totally understandable.
...Scatter...
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Imperfected
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It's an MMO. The game communicates with dedicated servers maintained by and for the company that operates the MMO, using their own encryption to prevent things like denial of service attacks to disrupt service and players cheating to damage the in-game economy (which is often a real-money economy for all intents and purposes in modern games), as well as, in this case, ensure only paying customers are able to play.
The game does not need or use Live's servers or architecture. The only reason you have ever had to pay Live fees to use an MMO on an X-Box console is because Microsoft realized they were able to get away with charging you for it.
Do you require more detecting, or can I go back to this murder investigation? This honestly seemed like a job for Self-Evident GAF.