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[Zombie James]

THERE BE SPOILERS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO4Tusk_V2k

Just posted. Goes into the vastly different opinions between reviewers and gamers, so it's off to a good start.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

Coolio. I'll watch it when I get back. I've been enjoying the critiques on thisg ame.

 

[muzzymate]

Haven't finished this game yet but I love George's opinions. Does he telegraph story spoilers ahead of time?

 

[Storm Raider]

You should have out spoilers in the title so we can discuss his points without hiding in spoiler tags

 

[convo]

Haven't finished this game yet but I love George's opinions. Does he telegraph story spoilers ahead of time?

SPOILERS right now.

 

[Fury451]

Just a few minutes in, but I completely agree with his critique of how this game has been reviewed. Calling something a perfect masterpiece but without qualifying it enough is incredibly disingenuous. But that may be because I too share his view of a complicated relationship with this game.

 

[maltrain]

So... some youtubers have threads for every review they made and others don't?

Because every time someone posted an Angry Joe review, a lot of haters made their dirty work until some mod closed their threads...

 

[Woffls]

Excellent. Will watch this a few times. Dude does great content.

 

[BPoole]

I'm listening to it now. He raises a lot of solid points. It seems like the less you know about the MGS story arc, the more you'll enjoy this. I never played MGS 1-3, and right now MGS5 would land in my Top 10 of all time.

 

[deletethis123]

So... some youtubers have threads for every review they made and others don't?

Because every time someone posted an Angry Joe review, a lot of haters made their dirty work until some mod closed their threads...

Well to be fair, superbunnyhop is a much more serious reviewer than Angry Joe is. Not saying that it's okay, but that's probably one of the reasons for this.

Even though I spoiled myself on the story, I'd rather wait until I finish the game. Will bookmark this video.

 

[DJSharpeCheddar]

Thank God he's immediately addressing the gross review situation surrounding this game.

More needs to be made of this blatantly, nakedly corrupt practice.

 

[ezekial45]

Thank God he's immediately addressing the gross review situation surrounding this game.

More needs to be made of this blatantly, nakedly corrupt practice.

He's unfortunately lumping up a lot of reviews that didn't participate in the review event.

 

[Griss]

Look forward to watching this during lunch.

 

[ComputerBlue]

20 minutes into the video and I agree with absolutely everything and just had to pause to say I'm glad he even mentioned the score. I've seen a lot of people say the music was great in V, and it is. But all along it's felt like I was the only one who said it really lacked HGW's charm. The music was good, for a game, not MGS. Just like the game as whole is good, but quite mediocre for a MGS game.

 

[sappyday]

Great video. I love MGS but MGSV and to an extent Kojima needs to be criticized. This game is the definition of love/hate.

 

[Wagram]

This dude deserves 10 million subs. Hey, mainstream media who frequent GAF. This is how you review a god damn game.

 

[SJRB]

PERFECT review. Just, perfect.



I also chuckled at the

Spoiler

WHOOOOOOO

.

 

[maltrain]

Well to be fair, superbunnyhop is a much more serious reviewer than Angry Joe is. Not saying that it's okay, but that's probably one of the reasons for this.

Even though I spoiled myself on the story, I'd rather wait until I finish the game. Will bookmark this video.

I like superbunnyhop reviews... but Angry Joe makes a very serious review, with a lot of work involved and with millions of followers.

I used to know from Gaf every time he made a review... now, I must search on his channel from time to time.

By the way, rules are rules. You can't say yes to some people and not to others just because you like someone more...

 

[Aequitas]

Great video as usual.
Does George have an account here on Gaf?

 

[Glass]

Thank fuck for this video. Glad someone's actually discussing this

 

[MvmntInGrn]

Will avoid til I actually finish (getting close) but...

I'm listening to it now. He raises a lot of solid points. It seems like the less you know about the MGS story arc, the more you'll enjoy this. I never played MGS 1-3, and right now MGS5 would land in my Top 10 of all time.

... this at least is not true for me. I've played MGS 1-4 and V is still my favorite. It has some interesting themes like the previous games did but the character interaction is weaker. The gameplay is an all time favorite of mine though already.

I've didn't really play through the games til MGS4 was announced and coming though. I guess longer fans may see it differently. In a world where the focus on story has become annoying and gameplay systems in AAA games feel stale, MGSV has been a beacon of gaming goodness for me.

 

[pizzacat]

So... some youtubers have threads for every review they made and others don't?

Because every time someone posted an Angry Joe review, a lot of haters made their dirty work until some mod closed their threads...

This guy should totally have a bunny army

 

[Doctor Ironic]

I like superbunnyhop reviews... but Angry Joe makes a very serious review,

No he doesn't. I think even Joe himself would admit that to you.

When the majority of reviews you make start with some comedy sketch about the game, I don't think you can call them serious.

I used to know from Gaf every time he made a review... now, I must search on his channel from time to time.

THE HORROR

the horror...

By the way, rules are rules. You can't say yes to some people and not to others just because you like someone more...

Please link to a SBH thread before this one and after his Konami investigation got pulled by Konami, or your claim doesn't hold water. Your "SBH favoritism!" argument is pretty ironic given your clear favoritism towards Joe.

 

[ezekial45]

Oh God, now we're reviewing the reviewers.

Yeesh.

 

[Auctopus]

I used to like this guys critique but after the Konami stuff, I think he found he got more attention the more mundane and critical he became.

I like superbunnyhop reviews... but Angry Joe makes a very serious review.

Lol

 

[fritzo]

Just finished the vid. Great review! He doesn't bash the game too much, but points out a bunch of critical flaws that I and most others noticed. Which aren't even in the other "perfect" reviews. I love the game. But after playing it, I have to wonder where those "perfect" scores came from as well. Was it the bootcamp? Was it the fact that it is MGS and that means a lot clicks for their sites? Was it competition for said "clicks"? The best reviews in my opinion are from peeps who played the entire game with no deadlines are anything.

another vid I'd recommend is Gametrailers' spoilercast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ3SvBgS9vc

 

[LewieP]

Great video, nails a lot of my thoughts on the game. I was shocked by the universal overwhelming critical acclaim. I love the game but it has glaring flaws.

 

[Dynasty8]

I normally agree with most review sites, but MGSV felt very incomplete.

This whole "bootcamp" review event hyped fans/reviewers up to show them a good time. I really don't see this game as a 10. I enjoyed Witcher 3 way more and I'm a much bigger MGS fan than a Witcher fan.

 

[Magic Mushroom]

I've didn't really play through the games til MGS4 was announced and coming though. I guess longer fans may see it differently. In a world where the focus on story has become annoying and gameplay systems in AAA games feel stale, MGSV has been a beacon of gaming goodness for me.

Totally agree. I get that people care about the story in MGS, but I don't. I do care about mechanics and player agency though and feel the gameplay of TPP is leagues ahead of almost anything out there.

 

[jwhit28]

I was with him until he started suggesting that the Phantom Pain the story left hardcore fans with was intentional. Even in MGS2 you still end the game as a badass with a sword that kills a whole bunch of Metal Gears. This game doesn't have anywhere near the same sort of payoff and it's to easy to mark that as intentional.

 

[Game4life]

God it is so tiring to see this guy complain about how others do not share his opinion. For some people the core gameplay seems to be supremly satisfying enough that the other flaws dont bring the score down. How hard is it to grasp. This game is not a 10/10 for me but I understand why it can be for some. Ascribing motives, and suggesting that the Konami review event indicates some kind of pay off is petty when there were plenty of reviewers who did not attend that event who gave equally high scores, One should not be so upset that his/her opinion does not align with the mainstream. Having said that I think he is spot on about the flaws.

 

[npa189]

I agree with 100% of what he says surrounding this game. Thinking back on it, its crazy how many 10/10s this game got. The core gameplay is wonderful, but everything around it just kinda sucks. It really hurts to say that as a Metal Gear aficionado, but this was the weakest story Kojima has ever delivered. I haven't even finished the main plot missions because they are locked behind so much filler, and I've moved on. Maybe I should start MGS2 finally..

 

[Doctor Ironic]

God it is so tiring to see this guy complain about how others do not share his opinion. For some people the core gameplay seems to be supremly satisfying enough that the other flaws dont bring the score down. How hard is it to grasp. This game is not a 10/10 for me but I understand why it can be for some. Ascribing motives, and suggesting that the Konami review event indicates some kind of pay off is petty when there were plenty of reviewers who did not attend that event who gave equally high scores, One should not be so upset that his/her opinion does not align with the mainstream. Having said that I think he is spot on about the flaws.

I don't see what's so wrong about criticizing other reviews for posting cutscenes that aren't in the game while praising the story.

 

[fritzo]

God it is so tiring to see this guy complain about how others do not share his opinion. For some people the core gameplay seems to be supremly satisfying enough that the other flaws dont bring the score down. How hard is it to grasp. This game is not a 10/10 for me but I understand why it can be for some. Ascribing motives, and suggesting that the Konami review event indicates some kind of pay off is petty when there were plenty of reviewers who did not attend that event who gave equally high scores, One should not be so upset that his/her opinion does not align with the mainstream. Having said that I think he is spot on about the flaws.

I get what you're saying. Makes sense. I'd love to see a vid, or hear a podcast with him and other reviewers as they discuss their reviews. This game will be debated on for a long time it seems.

 

[Primethius]

I'm listening to it now. He raises a lot of solid points. It seems like the less you know about the MGS story arc, the more you'll enjoy this. I never played MGS 1-3, and right now MGS5 would land in my Top 10 of all time.

This is not true. You can know the MGS story and simply not care about it. Which, while it may not seem like it given GAF right now, is probably quite a few people too.

I'm in that boat. MGS story is trash. V was a better game for not indulging whatever the hell happened with something like 5. The weakest parts of the game were the cutscene heavy ones, such as the opening.

God it is so tiring to see this guy complain about how others do not share his opinion. For some people the core gameplay seems to be supremly satisfying enough that the other flaws dont bring the score down. How hard is it to grasp. This game is not a 10/10 for me but I understand why it can be for some. Ascribing motives, and suggesting that the Konami review event indicates some kind of pay off is petty when there were plenty of reviewers who did not attend that event who gave equally high scores, One should not be so upset that his/her opinion does not align with the mainstream. Having said that I think he is spot on about the flaws.

^ This too. Gameplay is king for me. MGSV is a 10/10 in that regard.

 

[PAULINK]

I guess i'll have to watch all of mgs 5's cutscenes before diving into this.

 

[StarVigil]

Bravo. What a wonderful video. Exactly how I feel.

 

[Glass]

God it is so tiring to see this guy complain about how others do not share his opinion. For some people the core gameplay seems to be supremly satisfying enough that the other flaws dont bring the score down. How hard is it to grasp. This game is not a 10/10 for me but I understand why it can be for some. Ascribing motives, and suggesting that the Konami review event indicates some kind of pay off is petty when there were plenty of reviewers who did not attend that event who gave equally high scores, One should not be so upset that his/her opinion does not align with the mainstream. Having said that I think he is spot on about the flaws.

I took it less that he's complaining over their differing opinions, and more about the shady nature of the boot camps. He calls out the fact that they only had some 40 hours to play the game for review, when I'm pretty sure most people spent way longer then that completing the game. It just seems like a very artificial way of reviewing and experiencing something, and all the perfect scores in turn seem rather artificial after the games many problems.

 

[Game4life]

I don't see what's so wrong about criticizing other reviews for posting cutscenes that aren't in the game while praising the story.

Nothing wrong although I would argue most outlets seem to cover the lackluster story aspects including those who gave a 10 like IGN. My problem however is ascribing some hidden motive behind those 10's. I dont like his implied suggestions of pay off's. It comes across as a ' Stop liking what I dont like' attitude.

^ This too. Gameplay is king for me. MGSV is a 10/10 in that regard.

Best fking stealth game ever made. Raises the bar and will be the benchmark other games are judged by. However even if you did not like the story of the previous games ( I loved them as they were always unpredictable ) it is hard to argue how terrible the boss fights were compared to the previous mainline iterations.

I took it less that he's complaining over their differing opinions, and more about the shady nature of the boot camps. He calls out the fact that they only had some 40 hours to play the game for review, when I'm pretty sure most people spent way longer then that completing the game. It just seems like a very artificial way of reviewing and experiencing something, and all the perfect scores in turn seem rather artificial after the games many problems.

For some those 40 hours were enough to judge the quality of the game maybe? I mean see this IGN review

"The only real exception to this is the sniper Quiet, whose warm, childlike sincerity and battlefield ferocity cause her to steal every scene she’s in. Her preposterous lack of clothing undercuts those qualities a fair bit though: one particular moment later in the game comes off a bit creepy instead of endearing solely because of her outfit. You seriously could have put her in generic army fatigues and she would still have been the most interesting character here - the fact that she’s also required to be a lust-object is disappointing."

or

"However, where Phantom Pain’s gameplay systems are far richer and meatier than any the series has ever seen, its story feels insubstantial and underdeveloped by comparison.This is doubly disappointing in a series known for (sometimes clumsily and exhaustively) exploring its subject matter. The opposite is true here though. The Phantom Pain brings up topics like the personal cost of revenge, child soldiers, and torture to name a few, but it has positively nothing to say about any of them other than that they exist. Thankfully though, it never wasted my time pretending to say more, as cut scenes were sparse and brief, so as to let me get back to playing. As nice as that might be though, I’d rather have the “problem” that Guns of the Patriots had, where there were “too many” awesome moments and plot twists.

"For their part, Phantom Pain’s story elements are at least well produced, with beautiful cinematography, and workmanlike performances from everyone, including Keifer Sutherland, who sadly has practically nothing to do as Big Boss. His inexplicable silence through even the most crucial story beats towards the end go beyond mere stoicism, and were positively jarring. Almost gone are the off-topic codec convos, climactic boss battles, and memorable character moments of Metal Gears past. Everyone seems to exist solely to walk on screen, deliver information, and then stand there dramatically."

Clearly acknowledges the problems most commonly brought up. These problems however were just not enough to bring down the score from a 10 for that reviewer. Maybe this is the case for others.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

So what is this video? Is it just talking how this game got 10s and person doesn't agree with that and is now trying rationalize how people have different opinions?

 

[orthodoxy1095]

God it is so tiring to see this guy complain about how others do not share his opinion. For some people the core gameplay seems to be supremly satisfying enough that the other flaws dont bring the score down. How hard is it to grasp. This game is not a 10/10 for me but I understand why it can be for some. Ascribing motives, and suggesting that the Konami review event indicates some kind of pay off is petty when there were plenty of reviewers who did not attend that event who gave equally high scores, One should not be so upset that his/her opinion does not align with the mainstream. Having said that I think he is spot on about the flaws.

I disagree. I can't help but agree with his critique. When I was like 10-15 hours in, I was pretty much in love with the game. I was hyping it up to every friend who would listen to me. I was ready to stick it right up at the top of my GOTY list.

But now that the honeymoon is over, I find myself reevaluating and becoming more critical of the game. And I can't help but wonder if the reviewers didn't get a proper chance to exit the honeymoon-hypetrain phase.

So what is this video? Is it just talking how this game got 10s and person doesn't agree with that and is now trying rationalize how people have different opinions?

Why not try watching the video? It's an excellent critique of every aspect from the game design to the story itself.

 

[SJRB]

So what is this video? Is it just talking how this game got 10s and person doesn't agree with that and is now trying rationalize how people have different opinions?

Eh... try and watch the video instead of jumping to conclusions?

 

[KarmaCow]

I didn't read any of the reviews of the game (because why would I when I already had the game) but did reviews actually not mention the rougher aspects of the game, even if they gave the game a "perfect" score? I remember Gamespot getting a lot of shit for saying FOBs were for microtransactions prior to release.

 

[Dahbomb]

Guy went from not liking MGS4 to appreciating MGS4 after what was presented in MGSV.

Maybe if Konami makes MGS6 then people will appreciate MGSV as well!

 

[Primethius]

Best fking stealth game ever made. Raises the bar and will be the benchmark other games are judged by. However even if you did not like the story of the previous games ( I loved them as they were always unpredictable ) it is hard to argue how terrible the boss fights were compared to the previous mainline iterations.

For sure. That's my single biggest complaint about MGSV. The utter lack of boss fights. I loved the Cobra unit in MGS3.

 

[Regulus Tera]

Reminder that this is by the guy who did the Metal Gear Solid 3 forty minute review that was popular like two years ago. Excited to watch.

 

[Formless]

I couldn't stop playing the game until mid-Chapter 2. The repetitiveness really burned me out, though I guess some of it is my fault for not exploring all the weapons/buddies.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

He's correct about so many things.

 

[bryanee]

Excellent review. I really enjoyed watching that.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Entertaining video for sure. But I still gladly admit that I loved V and it's still really high up there for me. Especially in terms of gameplay, where I personally think V shines the most. I understand a lot of points he's making in the video, and I understand a lot of things that he's talked about in regards to V's story or content that's just not there. Completing the game just made me sad considering a number of cassettes felt like they should've been cinematics, and might have been at one point. Especially the final key ones you unlock. It makes me wonder what the game could've been if Kojima wasn't restricted by Konami, if this whole Konami fiasco was never an issue to begin with. Opinions are incredible, and I always find them so fascinating, especially when they're revolving around topics that some people could be completely devoted to, and others that couldn't care less. But I will say that V is a game that has been stuck on my brain for a variety of reasons, and I can't shake it off. The last game that did this to me was Red Dead Redemption, so it makes it really hard to not include it in that special list of games that I cherish so much.