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Metal Gear Solid V: Dissociative Disorder (Super Bunnyhop review and analysis)
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Scientist Supreme!
Banned
I have more interesting things to do. Also there is no such thing as a "honeymoon period" or hidden agenda for why people like this game.
Readed a post and it sounds exactly like that. I just want to know.
NoctisVsStar
Member
Watch the vid?
Don't have time to read the other posts?
Jim Sterling's review spent quite a bit of time talking about the flawed story, but he believed the gameplay was good enough that he would recommend the game despite its problems. He gave the game a 9.
I definitely think the thing to focus on here is not the review scores, but the reviews themselves and whether the reviewers played the games under the right conditions. The Gamespot review for example used a still from a scene that wasn't even in the actual game.
He does analyze the flaws in the game well. I agree with everything he said. He does throw in a line here and there showcasing his exasperation at the perfect scores this game has got from the reviewers but the rest of the video is decent.
Excellent video though. Pretty much encapsulates a lot of my issues with the game. I think his point about reviews is a legitimate one and not just him shitting on others for the sake of it. The environment a lot of reviewers were placed in seemed to shield them from later game flaws. And even if they weren't at the boot camp to choose to not point out flaws and legit criticisms of the game (ones that are fundamentally obvious) just blows my mind.
B-b-b-but the gameplay means the story doesn't need to be good! Cool, but the admittedly excellent gameplay being built on a foundation of some of the blandest mission structure known to man is certainly something that should be taken into consideration.
B-b-b-but the gameplay means the story doesn't need to be good! Cool, but the admittedly excellent gameplay being built on a foundation of some of the blandest mission structure known to man is certainly something that should be taken into consideration.
Corpsepyre
Banned
I love the game. The story and gameplay both. I would have loved if Konami didn't act like a dick and actually let Kojima finish the damn thing, but what we got was downright brilliant. Not the best MSG storytelling, but I was enthralled everytime a cutscene/tape would pop up.
Also, Mission 43....
Also, Mission 43....
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Finally!
Thank you, but I have no interest in that.
Man, this and the Angry Joe review perfectly showcase the two sides of MGSV. Angry Joe criticized the story but declared "gameplay is king" and gave it a strong 9/10 which would've been a 10 if it weren't for the cut content.
Bunnyhop on the other hand is way more negative and spent more time on the story.
Bunnyhop on the other hand is way more negative and spent more time on the story.
I think most people would recommend the game. I certainly would; its a fun toy. At the same time, it's riddled with shortcomings. Giving it top or flawless marks seems pretty silly, unless one really believes video games are just electronic toys.
Serpens007
Member
Just because he adds comedic relief to a review, doesn't mean his reviews are of a less quality than the rest. You like it, or don't like it, that's fine, but they are mostly accurate, with obviousl a room for debate, which is good.
SBH reviews are also good, he had other threads like when he said that this years E3 was the worst of all time. Which at the same time, makes me feel more critic of his work.
The thing is, SBH are OK, but other youtubers should have their threads be OK too.
Will watch when I finish the game.
Excellent video. George is in a class of his own in terms of youtubers and game critics. He really seems to approach things from a more academic standpoint. He deserves a lot more notoriety. I'd love to hear him guest on an episode of the Giant Beastcast because I feel like he and Austin Walker would make for good conversation.
The video really sums up all my problems with MGSV. Fun moment to moment stealth doesn't inherently excuse the multitude of significant ways in which the game fails.
The video really sums up all my problems with MGSV. Fun moment to moment stealth doesn't inherently excuse the multitude of significant ways in which the game fails.
lemon__fresh
Member
Really enjoyable critique, and I'm totally fine with him drawing attention to the number of 10's this game received.
Yea that's what I was wondering. I'm not really interested in watching a 30 minute review of the game but generally the whole backlash against the game getting high scores is silly when the number itself is so devoid of any real critical value.
And about the Gamespot screenshot thing, that's probably just how the review was posted. I'm pretty sure reviews often get peppered with screenshots and formatted from people who didn't actually write the review. IIRC, Griffin McElroy's review of a Pokemon game had a mislabelled screenshot of a Pokemon and it turned it was because whoever actually posted the review on the site had no idea about Pokemon and just grabbed random screenshots.
Normally I love Joe's reviews as well, but I had a hard time with him speaking about specific facts. For example; he was speaking about how this title closes the loop on the series. No it doesn't, like at all. Then he was speaking about MG1 and talking about how Big Boss sent Solid Snake to purposely kill Venom Snake while completely disregarding the end scene in MGSV with the tape. He did research, but clearly his knowledge is very low on the series, which I believe led him to appreciate the gameplay much more than the story. Had he actually been invested, I guarantee you that review score wouldn't have been a 9. I've been watching Joe far to long to know that.
ComputerBlue
Member
We can also look at that from the perspective that Bunnyhop is clearly a long time fan. Where as GZ was Joes first and only metal gear prior to TPP.
Angry Joe has absolutely no attachment to the characters, story, lore etc. He hasn't experienced any other gameplay styles other than this one. The twists, the turns, the craziness and everything else the series has thrown our way over the past games simply don't apply to AJ's review.
This is a great game, it really is, it's just a mediocre metal gear.
Gameplay isn't that good either.. mechanics are, which is different.
Anyway we need more people like him to talk with honesty to a wide audience about things the actual critics, how funny, will not because they're too hyped as everyone else. Another proof of how immature our critic is, as it wasn't clear already. I myself have so many things to say.. I share a lot of his sentiment towards the game and reviewers, glad someone pops up to address these problems.
Anyway we need more people like him to talk with honesty to a wide audience about things the actual critics, how funny, will not because they're too hyped as everyone else. Another proof of how immature our critic is, as it wasn't clear already. I myself have so many things to say.. I share a lot of his sentiment towards the game and reviewers, glad someone pops up to address these problems.
Crossing Eden
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Thanks for informing us that you have no intention of viewing the content in the OP. Amazing contribution.
Press weren't allowed to post new screenshots iirc.
I agree.
Are you talking about his criticism of reviewer events? Those things are shady as fuck and I wouldnt trust someone's review if they participated in one.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Like the choice of screenshot (that most likely was done by someone on the web design/layout team, and not the reviewer) somehow invalidates the opinions expressed in the review!
Don't you think that's a really petty thing to nitpick over?
Its emblematic to me of how specious, pedantic, and petty so much of the criticism is -particularly from fans.
DJSharpeCheddar
Banned
Every word of this is dead on.
Thank God some people are thinking critically about this game.
Thank God some people are thinking critically about this game.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Uh, yes. Yes there is. It's not about an agenda. I don't think anyone was "bought off" or was trying to deliberately mislead us. It's about the psychological tendencies regarding new things that we like. The "honeymoon period" is the time in a relationship (whether with an object or person) when you're freshly in love and everything is still fireworks, sparks, newness and you're crazy about each other (or the object). It happens at the beginning of a relationship when you're still getting to know someone/thing. You see this with young couples who just start dating or per the phrase, right after getting married. They only see the positives and will spout off all the things they love about their new partner. It's that stage of euphoric infatuation, where everything seems perfect and you think about them/it all day, and all you want to do is spend more time with them. But after that period, you begin to realize their flaws...
And in the case of MGSV, I wonder if the reviewers had time to really exit that honeymoon period. Especially the reviewers who went to the review event. I say this based on my own experience with the game, where in the early going, I was in love. I was babbling about that love to every gamer friend who would listen to me. Hell, I even babbled about it to my parents. But the more time I spent with it, the more critical I got, and the less I liked it. And in that respect, I stand by my comment.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
I don't disagree with a lot of his assessment of the game. But I'm not shaking my fist at the reviewers who gave the game a 10. MGSV has some pretty deep flaws but what it achieves in spite of those are pretty amazing. If you break away from "a perfect score = a perfect game" mentality, and treat it as a recommendation that "everyone should see what this game has to offer" it sits well enough with me.
bananafactory
Banned
Same. The fact the game is a 9 or 10 for me despite these flaws just speaks to how good it is.
The video and analysis was a great listen though
Tinfoilhatsron
Banned
Did you even watch it? The problem is that the "Reviews" don't mention all the flaws. +/- 5%
fallingdove
Member
Solid review.
The only thing I don't like about this game is the voice acting. Miller, Snake, and Ocelot sound too similar.
The only thing I don't like about this game is the voice acting. Miller, Snake, and Ocelot sound too similar.
Serpens007
Member
No, it isn't a mediocre metal gear. Unlike some other franchise, Metal Gear has always evolved through time. Even if some things repeat through the series, they are always different. There isn't a definition of "what a metal gear game is", and that is what makes it unique as a series.
That said, this is a game that understands the unique ability of this media to make you part of the world that it is presented, and Metal Gear already did it in terms of story with MGS2. And that was ultra critized. Now was the time of gameplay and the best emergent gameplay moments you can create to make the Big Boss legend alive.
That is one thing that definitely stood out to me even as someone who isn't overly familiar with MGS's story. It doesn't explain how Ocelot is an enemy in MGS3 but in MGS5 he and Boss seem like best buds. I never felt any tension or rough history between the two of them.
To be fair, in MGS3 Ocelot was seriously crushing on Snake, even to the point that Volgin calls him out on it.
He is a bland human encyclopedia in this game though.
Aren't you doing the same about a tiny section of a 30 minute video?
He has no personality in V, he's a completely different character in this one. It's funny because the games that take place after and before it is how he usually acts. For some reason he's a herbalist in MGSV and also a goat expert.
DJSharpeCheddar
Banned
Sorry for expecting a higher degree of critical thought about this game from the public at large. I guess I shouldn't from someone with a Raiden avatar who can't even entertain the idea that this doesn't deserve a 10.
You admitted earlier you have no interest in watching this video. What are you still doing in this thread?
Yeah that part wasn't too big of an issue. Ocelot was already made out to be a Big Boss fanboy. He just doesn't have much of an eccentric personality in MGSV though. I think part of it is the VO by Troy Baker. It was a bad casting decision IMO. He's too prevalent in other games and his voice doesn't suit the character. The bland writing doesn't help either.
ebullientprism
Member
I have only watched a part of the video but already this is already much, MUCH better than Joe's reviews.
Quality of content should dictate who gets individual threads. Joe has no quality only a shtick or a routine with nothing interesting to say.
Dat Gamespot quote.
I've come to the realization that most game reviewers lack the mental capacity to appropriately gauge the quality of stories in games. Either that or they're all tasteless as fuck.
The critical reception this game and its console predecessor got is just too much. At least MGSV plays excellently and the garbage plot is really its only major downfall.
I've come to the realization that most game reviewers lack the mental capacity to appropriately gauge the quality of stories in games. Either that or they're all tasteless as fuck.
The critical reception this game and its console predecessor got is just too much. At least MGSV plays excellently and the garbage plot is really its only major downfall.
See my edit, I was speaking more to how there isn't really a disconnect between supposed arch nemesis in MGS3 to loyal fanboy in MGSV. Ocelot was always wanted that BBC.
For real. When your job is to critically evaluate a thing then do it. Don't gloss over obvious flaws. Or at least state it in your review. "Hey this game has some issues but the gameplay helped me ignore that" don't just refuse to mention them outright.
ComputerBlue
Member
Fine, let me rephrase that. In my opinion it's a great game, but doesn't live up to my personal standards of the franchise.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
The stuff about Konami's forty hour boot camps is the puzzling part to me. Why the fuck are people not making a big deal about that?
That should be on the cover of this game.
Gentleman Jack
Member
That was a much better analysis than I was expecting from a youtube reviewer. He spent less time griping about the 10/10s that I feared and thoughtfully provides the links between each game in the series that might be easy to miss for a casual observer of the series without the same level of investment, and at least he goes into the superlative-laden prose written by selected reviews rather than harp on review scores, which helps buoy his argument above the typical 'durr perfect scores durr' whinging about numeric reviews.