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[PedroPanache]

You have an amazing voice actor that is Troy Baker and this is the best you get out of him...smfh

Chief villain here is the writing. The iconic character we came to know from previous games is gone and replaced with a guy whose sole job is to relay exposition to Venom Snake. If you strip a role of all it's character, expect a flat performance from your VA. I imagine Troy Baker would have been pretty excited to play such an iconic character, but was taken aback by the script and zero character arc.

I get the impression that in pursuing the VS/BB twist, much was sacrificed in terms of forwarding the character arcs of major players such as Ocelot, and, of course, Big Boss. The last time we saw them they were enemies in MGS3. I, at least, wanted to see how their friendship developed. Still, we got the piece of shit that was Huey, who was entertaining and seemingly whose sole purpose is to make us all feel better about Otacon banging his stepmom multiple times.

The game reminds me a little of Chrono Cross, in that it's essentially a side story covering a minor plot point (in the case MGSV, it's how BB survived Operation Intrude) from the series canon.

I am though. I was just following the conversation and want to see it resolved. I'm not trolling or whatever. I follow that Jack, David and solidus all look alike according to the lore and in game conversations. I've always just been curious as to why, when big boss appears at the end of mgs4, he looks and sounds nothing like David or 'George' I actually thought his voice actor in 4 was terrible too, although many people seemed to love Doyle and want him to return. I'm not suggesting I'm some all knowing metal gear source or something.

It's Metal Gear, so take any explanation you want. Maybe he was being given elocution lessons hypnotically in his coma. Or it was nanomachines. I did really like Doyle, he did a fantastic job elevating the ridiculous dialogue he was given and gave it plenty of gravitas.

 

[Moon_frogger]

Old Solid looks nothing like Big Boss in MGS4 because of his accelerated aging, right?

this make no sense either, because big boss was built from parts of solidus and liquid snake, who were both prone to accelerated aging. either way, big boss looks just as old or older than old snake....only the 2 still look almost nothing alike.

 

[Edzi]

Man, I need to vent. I'm getting so frustrated at the way discussions about this game are playing out. So many people in the Super Bunnyhop review thread are jumping at the defense of the game in the most dismissive way possible. I cannot stand people throwing around the "lol, vocal minority, 2 time GOTY winner" responses. Gah.

 

[GodzillaDB]

Wait, when did Ocelot take it off? After his fight with Solid at the end?

He had Liquid's limb removed following the events of MGS2: Sons of Liberty. A cybernetic prosthetic was swapped in its place prior to MGS4: Guns of the Patriots. It was initially acknowledged/theorized that Ocelot was able to channel Liquid's persona based on his heritage to his father, The Sorrow, as a spiritual medium. However, Solid Snake's presence caused an sudden, uncontrollable takeover and Ocelot completely removed the arm to negate the effect. All of this material was later retconned by stating the resurrection of Liquid's personality was all an act of self hypnosis to deceive The Patriots. Cam Clarke's voice in MGS2 was simply shrugged off as a literary device to let the audience know when "Liquid" was in possession.

I want to fucking cry, man. I'm only on mission 15 and while looking up something unrelated (or so I thought) on the MGS Wiki I had the big twist spoiled for me. For those curious, I looked up the Boss AI page on the wiki that did it.

I hate my life...

How fucked am I? I assume that is the biggest fucking twist of all twists and there probably isn't much else to the story to surprise me eh?

Make it about the journey, not the final destination.

 

[ZeroMaverick]

He had Liquid's limb removed following the events of MGS2: Sons of Liberty. A cybernetic prosthetic was swapped in its place prior to MGS4: Guns of the Patriots. It was initially acknowledged/theorized that Ocelot was able to channel Liquid's persona based on his heritage to his father, The Sorrow, as a spiritual medium. However, Solid Snake's presence caused an sudden, uncontrollable takeover and Ocelot completely removed the arm to negate the effect. All of this material was later retconned by stating the resurrection of Liquid's personality was all an act of self hypnosis to deceive The Patriots. Cam Clarke's voice in MGS2 was simply shrugged off as a literary device to let the audience know when "Liquid" was in possession.

Glad I recently picked up the Legacy Collection because I actually forgot all of this.

Now I have to find time to play it :/

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Man, you're really cherry picking those images. For instance, the MGS4 Big Boss you posted is actually Solidus grafted on to Big Boss. If it wasn't though, he'd still probably look the same, because again, and I don't know how this hasn't gotten through yet, unlike Liquid and Solid, Solidus is a 100% identical genetic clone of Big Boss, this makes Big Boss and Solidus more similar than monozygotic twins.

The young Solid Snake face you posted is face camo, and the Solidus picture is Shinkawa artwork, which can make the characters look completely different than how they're portrayed in game. Maybe you should switch that out for Solidus' MGS2 model. Or wait, don't, because that would really hurt your case.

yep, it makes the argument so disingenuous. These things shouldn't even be a point of contention.

 

[Gunslinger]

I heard the game gives you a detailed timeline at the end. I just beat mission 46 and i only get half the timeline. It ends with quiet at going under the parasite treatment. what gives? I beat quite's mission too(mission 45).

 

[786110]

Liquid jeers Solid Snake for looking older at the start of Metal Gear Solid 2 all the while grafted to an old man.

 

[Ishida]

Lol. So dumb How does Kojima get away with this?

Because the games, their gameplay are plots are some of the most amazing in the industry despite the silliness. It is what gives them charm, what separates the Metal Gear games from the rest.

 

[Prototype]

I think it's just that he's the least explored of the 3 clones, there is still a lot of mystery about Solidus that isn't really explained, people just want to know more about him like the dude was the president of the United States for christ sake, that's pretty interesting to me.

I feel like they were just like oh ya there's *another* clone brother! Also he's the president of the United States.

Something about it all just came off as dumb to me. And Solidus is getting played harder than anyone. He's getting duped by the Patriots and by Ocelot.
If fact, it's really because Ocelot is such a total badass in MG2, and the ending especially, he stole the show, which only made Solidus seem even more lame.

The sword fight was pretty fun though.

 

[Reebot]

Man, I need to vent. I'm getting so frustrated at the way discussions about this game are playing out. So many people in the Super Bunnyhop review thread are jumping at the defense of the game in the most dismissive way possible. I cannot stand people throwing around the "lol, vocal minority, 2 time GOTY winner" responses. Gah.

You have a bunch of people who are just happy to play with their new toy and are now confronted with a lot of angry folk.

And if you can't argue for something, best to imply - or even state - that detractors are best ignored.

 

[ZeroMaverick]

WHOA WHOA WHO


WHAT IF ELISA AND URSULA WERE CHILDREN 1 AND 2?!

 

[KyleCross]

Make it about the journey, not the final destination.

Man, I wish I could... but that really isn't how it works with me. My motivation to actually continue playing the game has now shat itself.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

WHOA WHOA WHO


WHAT IF ELISA AND URSULA WERE CHILDREN 1 AND 2?!

Non-canon now. Which is fine with me because Gray Fox already being a supersoldier pre-MGS1 is really stupid. I always liked the idea he was just a more experienced, slightly better Solid Snake, the perfect big brother character, like Zero from Mega Man X. You but better. Making him into a pseudo-ninja pre cyborg ninja was really forced writing.

Plus he looked really cool in MG2 and didn't wear any of the dumb ninja garb he did in PO.

 

[Romars202129]

The thing I keep thinking about, days after finishing, is what the hell was the damn 'taboo' kojima so worried about? Biggest taboo in here is quiet's design, the rest of it's by the numbers action game stuff.
I keep thinking there must have been a cut third act, where big boss went to go fight liquid and had to kill children to bring him down or something... that the level where you have to kill your own men was actually the precurser to big boss's trip down 'doing whatever it takes' lane, instead of the climax.
That maybe, this game had 30% more content initially, and it had to be stretched in the end to fill the gaps. But even I realize that's giving kojima way too much credit.

Still, how the fuck do they just end it with Liquid still running around in a walking nuclear bomb rampaging the countryside, I can't imagine.

 

[Tain]

Finished mission 45 tonight after finishing mission 46 over the weekend.

Man, that was a much better ending, even if it was nothing great. If only I got that one first.

 

[ZeroMaverick]

Non-canon now. Which is fine with me because Gray Fox already being a supersoldier pre-MGS1 is really stupid. I always liked the idea he was just a more experienced, slightly better Solid Snake, the perfect big brother character, like Zero from Mega Man X. You but better. Making him into a pseudo-ninja pre cyborg ninja was really forced writing.

Plus he looked really cool in MG2 and didn't wear any of the dumb ninja garb he did in PO.

Well, fuck cannon. It's cannon to me now.
:3

 

[Sub_Level]

Non-canon now. Which is fine with me because Gray Fox already being a supersoldier pre-MGS1 is really stupid. I always liked the idea he was just a more experienced, slightly better Solid Snake, the perfect big brother character, like Zero from Mega Man X. You but better. Making him into a pseudo-ninja pre cyborg ninja was really forced writing.

Plus he looked really cool in MG2 and didn't wear any of the dumb ninja garb he did in PO.

I wouldn't say non-canon. Kojima simply said that the details are up in the air and that he thinks of canon primarily as games he directed.

If anything Portable Ops has been supported as loosely canon in every subsequent MGS game.

MGS4 continued its plot of Major Zero, Ocelot, and BB as Patriots. That in itself is huge.

Peace Walker acknowledged that it happened but obviously ignored it otherwise.

MGSV illustrates that Ocelot gets the Legacy and forms the Patriots by 1970 in the timeline. Calling to the Night is in the official MGSV Soundtrack.

 

[The Silver]

Well, fuck cannon. It's cannon to me now.
:3

it's fine, Kojima feels the same way about canon.

 

[Ishida]

Non-canon now. Which is fine with me because Gray Fox already being a supersoldier pre-MGS1 is really stupid. I always liked the idea he was just a more experienced, slightly better Solid Snake, the perfect big brother character, like Zero from Mega Man X. You but better. Making him into a pseudo-ninja pre cyborg ninja was really forced writing.

Plus he looked really cool in MG2 and didn't wear any of the dumb ninja garb he did in PO.

We have no idea which details from Portable Ops are canon and which are not. Remember, the overall plot is 100% canon according to Kojima himself.

And Elisa and Ursula being the "first two children" is my headcanon too.

 

[Reebot]

WHOA WHOA WHO


WHAT IF ELISA AND URSULA WERE CHILDREN 1 AND 2?!

No dude thats Alice Hazel

 

[ZeroMaverick]

it's fine, Kojima feels the same way about canon.

lol


PO is actually one of my favorite MGS's in terms of story. Underrated. Better than
Peace Walker in a good amount of ways

 

[Sub_Level]

100 years from now people will still be discussing the canonical validity of Portable Ops.

"So I'm rediscovering these ancient primitive physicals and came across this vintage 'MGS' series but there's this one I'm not sure I should play. What do you guys think?"

 

[ZeroMaverick]

No dude thats Alice Hazel

Definitely not canon lol

 

[SolVanderlyn]

I really wish they'd come out and say which parts are canon and which aren't. Despite the complaining I did above Null/Fox was really the only glaring problem with that game's story. The first two children is a nice idea. Also young Campbell was a boss character, he always described himself as a womanizer in his youth, which was hard to believe, and Snake said Meryl looked like him in the briefing for MGS and I thought he was on drugs. Then PO came out and it all made sense.

 

[ezekial45]

I had no idea there was a cutscene with Eli fighting Ocelot. This was great. It's highly missable, though. Happens around the mid-twenties while visiting Mother Base. Shortly before the outbreak reaches fever pitch.

http://youtu.be/z1HIuJy-Rug

 

[Sub_Level]

So every MGS saga is called "The X Incident" but what will the events of MGSV be known as?

The Lust Incident?

 

[Ishida]

So every MGS saga is called "The X Incident" but what will the events of MGSV be known as?

The Lust Incident?

The Wolbachia incident.

I really wish they'd come out and say which parts are canon and which aren't. Despite the complaining I did above Null/Fox was really the only glaring problem with that game's story. The first two children is a nice idea. Also young Campbell was a boss character, he always described himself as a womanizer in his youth, which was hard to believe, and Snake said Meryl looked like him in the briefing for MGS and I thought he was on drugs. Then PO came out and it all made sense.

Young Campbell alone makes Portable Ops canon in my eyes.

 

[MMarston]

So every MGS saga is called "The X Incident" but what will the events of MGSV be known as?

The Lust Incident?

The Quiet Incident




...because nobody fucking talks about it from here on out

 

[Gorillaz]

Either called the walocbich incident(w/e its called) or the phantom incident. Probably the former in Kojima mind.

I had no idea there was a cutscene with Eli fighting Ocelot. This was great. It's highly missable, though. Happens around the mid-twenties while visiting Mother Base. Shortly before the outbreak reaches fever pitch.

http://youtu.be/z1HIuJy-Rug

Eli kinda deserves the metal gear at the end for all of the ass whooping he got in this


Like...do you have any idea how many times he got fucked up by my stun shotgun? The amount of L's this one kid has taken would drive anyone crazy

 

[The Dear Leader]

So every MGS saga is called "The X Incident" but what will the events of MGSV be known as?

The Lust Incident?

The Phantom Incident?

 

[ZeroMaverick]

Okay. So I've officially come to terms with the fact that Metal Gear Solid has the Star Wars Prequel Syndrome:

Naomi Hunter had a fling with Richard Ames who was married to Natasha Romanenko while also having a love affair with Vamp who murders Emma Emmerich who is Hal Emmerich's stepsister who also has a love affair with Naomi Hunter.


Was it really necessary to tie all of these characters together like this?

 

[SnakeLinkSonic]

So every MGS saga is called "The X Incident" but what will the events of MGSV be known as?

The Lust Incident?

The Kojima Incident.

 

[Reebot]

Okay. So I've officially come to terms with the fact that Metal Gear Solid has the Star Wars Prequel Syndrome:

Naomi Hunter had a fling with Richard Ames who was married to Natasha Romanenko while also having a love affair with Vamp who murders Emma Emmerich who is Hal Emmerich's stepsister who also has a love affair with Naomi Hunter.


Was it really necessary to tie all of these characters together like this?

Its like poetry it rhymes.

 

[The Lone Courier]

The hamburger incident.

 

[brianmcdoogle]

Its like poetry it rhymes.

Venom Snake is the key to all of this.

 

[ZeroMaverick]

I need to go to sleep

 

[Henkka]

Venom Snake is the key to all of this.

He's a better twist than we've ever had.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Okay. So I've officially come to terms with the fact that Metal Gear Solid has the Star Wars Prequel Syndrome:

Naomi Hunter had a fling with Richard Ames who was married to Natasha Romanenko while also having a love affair with Vamp who murders Emma Emmerich who is Hal Emmerich's stepsister who also has a love affair with Naomi Hunter.


Was it really necessary to tie all of these characters together like this?

This was a thing that happened?

 

[StopMakingSense]

As clumsily as it was told, it is kind of funny how Kojima shoehorned in another Snake in all of this.

 

[ZeroMaverick]

This was a thing that happened?

According to Wiki's, yes.

 

[brianmcdoogle]

He's a better twist than we've ever had.

Every Codec is so dense.

 

[WrenchNinja]

According to Wiki's, yes.

whyyyyyyyyyyy

 

[Unknown One]

MGS2 intro is itself a better story than anything MGSV. It still gives me goosebumps to this day.

 

[Detective]

There are some new missions in chapter 2, but the story is pretty much over.

I just cant understand how this game got 10/10.

It's so fucking repetitive. Open world my ass. Wish they stuck to MGS4 or 3 formula instead of this repetitive missions.

Story and the twist is great.

 

[Tabris]

This game needs DLC desperately

1) Mission 51 / Proper ending
2) Get Quiet Back / Cure her Parasites Mission(s)
3) More weapons to develop
4) More extreme / total stealth versions

 

[BjornTheBear]

Hello.

I just did the mission "Truth Escape from the Hospital" (or something like that), and the mission to save Quiet, where she leaves.

Did I finish the game? Is there more main story?
If there is, please dont spoil it =P

thanks

 

[MMarston]

Hello.

I just did the mission "Truth Escape from the Hospital" (or something like that), and the mission to save Quiet, where she leaves.

Did I finish the game? Is there more main story?
If there is, please dont spoil it =P

thanks

See OP for Mission 51


Apart from that, yup, it's Game Over

 

[54-46!]

This game needs DLC desperately

1) Mission 51 / Proper ending
2) Get Quiet Back / Cure her Parasites Mission(s)
3) More weapons to develop
4) More extreme / total stealth versions

3) What? I don't even use 10% of the ones already in there.

 

[BjornTheBear]

See OP for Mission 51


Apart from that, yup, it's Game Over

Thank you.