icecold1983
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isnt the official line from the developers that its a from the ground up pc title later ported to consoles? not that i believe that personally, but if thats how they want to present it.
How big is the difference in visuals/performance between PC and PS4/Xbox really?
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isnt the official line from the developers that its a from the ground up pc title later ported to consoles? not that i believe that personally, but if thats how they want to present it.
You haven't yet? I'll say go for them, they're pretty good games(and Metro 2033 is one of the best 5 bucks I spent in gaming).
HF2014
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Console are the best bang for the buck. I litteraly spend fortunes in the past to get games with no jaggies, better fps, having the ability to play with mouse keyboard which i tough it was an advantage, and you know what, i wont go into that boat again ever. YES, you can constantly upgrade, but can you make console games not watchable or playable compare to pc? Nope. I even think that console are now closer to high end pc, compare to what ps3 and xbox360 were looking. PS4 for 400$ is amazing. I just cant see any pc games that look better than Driveclub or The Order. Pc fan will defend higher resolution at higher framerate, console fan will defend simplicity of plug and play and couch gaming.
But if you got money you think is right to spend some ridiculous amount to build yourself a bomb, why not. Youll see yourself at the end if it was worth it. I did it in the past, didnt regret it, but today, i dont think its worth it, maybe because there is really no exclusive games that require you to get a pc... well Xcom 2 is coming, but thats it... And im pretty sure a console version will be release.
But if you got money you think is right to spend some ridiculous amount to build yourself a bomb, why not. Youll see yourself at the end if it was worth it. I did it in the past, didnt regret it, but today, i dont think its worth it, maybe because there is really no exclusive games that require you to get a pc... well Xcom 2 is coming, but thats it... And im pretty sure a console version will be release.
Kssio_Aug
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If you're talking about a high-end PC, the difference may be pretty brutal. They're most certainly able to play PS4/XB1 games in a much higher resolution, with AA, and at locked 60fps if the game is well optimized.
But to be honest, that's pure spectulation (based on what I see and read) cause I don't understand much about PC. And also, it's always in theory, cause some games are really bad optimzed what may be a mess no matter your machine power.
But to be honest, that's pure spectulation (based on what I see and read) cause I don't understand much about PC. And also, it's always in theory, cause some games are really bad optimzed what may be a mess no matter your machine power.
A huge component worth pointing out is games price.
I got Arkham Knight for $14 a week after release.
I got Phantom pain a week before release for $30.
I got GTAV ~$35 a week before launch.
I got Watchdogs + Season pass for $8.
Games prices can get crazy cheap on PC.
Mad Max was available for $25 before release.
Consoles are not close to high end PC.
I don't get this. I could connect my PC to the TV if I wanted to, and play on my couch. How is that a console exclusivity?
Regarding "plug and play", it's true that you have to build it yourself if you buy the separate components, but you can go for a pre-built PC instead. And installing Windows is as simple as booting with a DVD/USB drive inserted and clicking "Next" on every screen; on my new PC I didn't even have to change the boot order in the BIOS, as it recognized the USB drive automatically. 10 minutes later I was already looking at the desktop, ready to download Steam and transfer the games from my old computer.
Dictator93
Member
I have never read any of their devs saying that. All their DF interviews stress the multiplatform nature of their engine. Heck, they made it run on PS3 before it even had a PC game or an xb360 game out.
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
But you gotta remember that was basically what a yr or 2 after console launch...
Poimandres
Member
True, but that didn't stop the PS4/XB1 versions from launching at a high price!
These topics are always the same. It's hard to deny that the price of entry on console is much lower than PC, but it's also pointless to try and downlplay some of the advantages of the PC platform like cheaper games and mods.
Right now, I have a 3 year old PC that runs some games better than my PS4 (Evil Within, Witcher 3) but it's showing its age with other games. Sometimes PC's get the half assed ports, other times console performance leaves a lot to be desired. PC's excel in certain genre's, and consoles get tasty exclusives. That's the way things are!
Personally, I would try and hold off for a while before purchasing a new PC. If you purchase a moderately powerful computer a year from now you can be pretty damn sure it's going to show serious improvements over console games for the rest of the generation. That's where I'll be. I'm happy upgrading every 4 years or so. When buying a PC, it's ALWAYS a good idea to wait as long as possible!
alexandros
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Literally every single argument in this post is wrong.
I think the hardware gap is probably farther than its ever been, but since there are far fewer games actually taking full advantage of PC hardware the gap feels much smaller than it did last gen.
in other news.
I stopped playing PC gaming entirely because it was too much of a hassle dicking around with software updates, hardware updates, graphics settings, computer maintenance, and googling errors. I just want to sit down play a game, and everything just works, and if it doesnt everyone is having the exact same problem and it will actually get fixed unlike the millions of little bugs that can crop up from different hardware configurations.
in other news.
I stopped playing PC gaming entirely because it was too much of a hassle dicking around with software updates, hardware updates, graphics settings, computer maintenance, and googling errors. I just want to sit down play a game, and everything just works, and if it doesnt everyone is having the exact same problem and it will actually get fixed unlike the millions of little bugs that can crop up from different hardware configurations.
icecold1983
Member
pretty much this
Why do I always feel like I'm back in 1999 when I read about constant hardware and software hassles? I mean it's no more difficult than the constant firmware and software patches that are happening on console, along with numerous broken games that durante can't patch or workaround because of the nature of a closed platform.
alexandros
Banned
No, that's not true either. People have a very distorted view of the past for some reason. From the start of this generation developers have benn consistently providing extra graphical features that result in the PC version looking and running much better than the console one 95% of the time. This is a far cry from the barebones ports or the terrible ps2 ports of the start of the previous generation.
Yeah, but he got a superior version at half the price. I loved GTA5 but the low framerate and whatnot on the PS4, especially when driving, was incredibly distracting. As someone that is more accustom to >60fps, it was almost gamebreaking.
The difference between a good PC and a console is staggering. I don't know why anyone would downplay it. Don't want to pay for the difference? Perfectly fine. But it's there, it's obvious, and that's not going to change anytime soon. I also don't know why people are acting like the PS4 never has errors, resets, updates, or issues of that nature. PC gaming has improved tremendously (games aside) while console games are often released buggy as shit. They've regressed.
Poimandres
Member
I don't think it's a huge deal, but you can still run into headaches gaming on PC from time to time.
For example, for no reason I can deduce Ori just won't run on my girlfriends new laptop. I spent a few hous messing around and it seemed like a legacy issue from Windows 8 (we upgraded to Win 10) and... that's about as far as I got. I tried a few fixes, but they didn't work so I just said "stuff it" and told her to play on the desktop.
Mind you, this is the only issue I've run into for a couple of years so like I said no big deal!
GAF, I've been reading posts like this for years and it makes less sense every time I see it. Am I just the luckiest person on earth? New games Just Work 95% of the time.
Computer maintenance, software/hardware updates, what? Shit's automated these days.
I'd give you the point about graphics settings if Nvidia didn't already provide a feature that automatically sets graphics settings based on your hardware. Not sure why anyone wouldn't want the option to tweak graphics performance, though.
It's true that you can run into really weird problems with PC games. It's an unfortunate side effect of such an open platform. I've been playing PC games for decades, though, and things have never been simpler than they are now.
And if you do run into one of those things you just can't fix, there are always refunds.
This was true 10 years ago, but these days, there's just as much fiddling that goes into playing on a console as on a PC. I gave up on consoles (except Wii U) for this very reason. The payoff for fiddling with console settings isn't nearly as great as is the payoff for fiddling on PC.
On most games, there are large differences available to you on that rather large gulf of hardware between the 2. Never mind the fact that a vastly improved framerate is a pretty huge deal in itself.
i am yet to jump on next gen bandwagon but i think its a matter of dimishing returns. top end pc that costs like $1000-1500 will not offer iq that is 2 times or 3 times better.
just a little bit better. i personally have no problem with frame rates. i find console 30 fps even fluctuating ones quiet smooth.
just a little bit better. i personally have no problem with frame rates. i find console 30 fps even fluctuating ones quiet smooth.
alexandros
Banned
But it will. It absolutely will in the overwhelming majority of games out there. The combination of resolution, framerate and ultra settings can provide image quality that is 2 times or three times better than the console version in every measurable sense of the word.
There are some really good looking games on PS4.
My wife is playing MGS5: The Phantom Pain on PS4, and I'm playing on PC. It looks REALLY good on PS4.
That being said, it looks even better on my PC (max settings across the board, DSR x3 my native resolution, and 60FPS locked). But to be honest, Metal Gear looks good enough on PS4 that I wouldn't mind if I was on PS4 over PC.
Most multiplat games are night and day difference when side by side. I generally rule in favor of PC.
My wife is playing MGS5: The Phantom Pain on PS4, and I'm playing on PC. It looks REALLY good on PS4.
That being said, it looks even better on my PC (max settings across the board, DSR x3 my native resolution, and 60FPS locked). But to be honest, Metal Gear looks good enough on PS4 that I wouldn't mind if I was on PS4 over PC.
Most multiplat games are night and day difference when side by side. I generally rule in favor of PC.
Depends on the games, lately visually not that much . Huge deal at least for me is framerate as 30fps is painful to watch after couple minutes on my eyes (which makes playing kinda tiring).
But the importance of framerate depends heavily on the player and sensitivity of his/hers eyes
But the importance of framerate depends heavily on the player and sensitivity of his/hers eyes
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Really? I have a 970m and with that alone I'm getting higher settings than PS4 all around and better framerate. A GTX970 has to do more than "just framerate"
I cant see better looking game than Total War Rome 2 and Arma 3 on consoles.
You see what i did here?
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Resolution, AA, LoD, anizo, particles, post-processing, physics.
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Technologically Crysis 2 is superior to TLOU, its not even debatable.
Krappadizzle
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alexandros
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In my opinion the main problem is that some people consistently try to downplay the differences in support of their favorite platform, however large they may be. It was happening all the time during the last generation and it will keep happening as long as people place brand loyalty above common sense.
On paper the difference is huge. But on screen? You are just fooled by marketing, that's it.
On a big TV without the eyes glued to it, you'll just see minor differences. On a monitor? Okay, that's where PC really shines.
Then, you have to consider than the amount of polish in PS4 exclusives is unprecedented. Nothing on PC comes close to that amount of polish, that mix of visual hacks and art.
And no, you don't really have "common sense" with you.
Sanctuary
Member
There is a reason many are excited for the upcoming PC release of Dragon's Dogma. Even if it was also being rereleased on the current gen consoles, it still wouldn't perform nearly as (expected) well. It's not all about visuals alone, because I agree that with many games, the disparity isn't really significant enough that you would really miss what you can't see (extra draw distance or characters/objects) without seeing screenshots depending on the game, but anymore it's a performance issue. The current gen consoles are nowhere near a "high end PC" in that department. They aren't even close to a mid-range PC either. A PC for slightly more than double the cost of a current gen system will offer more than double the performance, including better visuals.
So no, the consoles aren't the most bang for the buck. They are simply the most fire and forget.
Also, the couch excuse is so 2008. Why do people insist on using it as some kind of relevent issue when it's not? My relatively compact gaming PC is right next to my TV and I also use a controller for most non FPS/TPS multiplat games.
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Add to that the ability to declare in general what is perceiveable and what is not, for everyone.
"Oh you have a tv? I also have a tv, so I can say with 100% certainty what you can see on it and what you can't"
Actually, it is a rock solid 30FPS with only minor dips and not all levels are tiny tunnels. Regardless, I still consider it a technical marvel based on other areas. I don't get why some people have to bring this up whenever someone thinks it's the best looking game on any platform. It's just an opinion and it is very subjective. As long as it's not a game running on last gen consoles, I don't find it outrageous to have such an opinion.
It's not a technical marvel. But visually nothing on PC comes close despite having usually as a whole four or six times the power.
That's a shame. All your power goes in extra settings and fps advantages not in games made for that kind of power advantage.
Now you have two version of a game, one that cost 60$ and is 30fps with normal textures, and another one that cost 90$ and have some full HD textures, better shadows and is 60fps. Now you will say to me you'll pay for the most expansive version because for you that visual upgrade for 30$ is great... But now think about it a little, what you are paying for.
Because "best looking game" is often bought up - like in this thread - to give an example of what the PS4 and good devs are capable of, willfully ignoring all the sacrifices that have been made to make the game look the way it does.
€: Like that prime example above me.
If all you care about regarding PC is running AAA console games then what you wan't isn't really PC gaming, but rather console gaming without the restrictions of actual consoles. That's fine I guess, but you're missing out on a lot else that's out there.
And I'll add that what some people are saying in this thread indicates that a lot of recent console games don't "just work." People buy console games for stability, but some high-profile releases recently have lacked that stability, which diminishes some of the difference between PC and console. People have had to go PC just to get Unity or Witcher 3 at any stable framerate at all. Consoles are losing the accessibility that set them apart from PC.
And I'll add that what some people are saying in this thread indicates that a lot of recent console games don't "just work." People buy console games for stability, but some high-profile releases recently have lacked that stability, which diminishes some of the difference between PC and console. People have had to go PC just to get Unity or Witcher 3 at any stable framerate at all. Consoles are losing the accessibility that set them apart from PC.
Okay great. Now I'm in, you convinced me. So, how my favorite game right now (PES2016) runs on it? Very well? 120fps and 4K and all the shit?
Ok, the post above yours is definitely hyperbolic, but I don't see the problem if some people think The Order looks better than anything on PC. Like I said, it's just an opinion.
alexandros
Banned
So your argument is basically this:
No. My argument is basically the same one claiming that differences between X1 and PS4 are minor in front of the big screen. It's true, it is minor. So, you won't be reading me saying X1 owners have been robbed or something because their games are not as shiny as PS4 ones. Because that argument is really dumb and deeply rooted in fanboyland territory.
There is indeed a difference like I said, but I consider it minor and won't pay for something that only expands on those minor differences.
BIG FUCKING EDIT: But if you say to me I should buy a new PC to play some new Civilization games, I'm fucking in. My laptop is dying I'm sad.
Dreams-Visions
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Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Even on a mid range build 1440p make enough of a difference to me as of late, and I agree that it is not as big of 60fps compared to 30 of course, but I still rather do 30 at 1440p than go bellow native res. The great thing a bout PC gaming is that any given day that I feel different about it I can switch around in a few seconds.
alexandros
Banned
That's fine, but you must acknowledge that your own personal views on the matter are not in any way indicative of the actual situation.
We are all adding our personal views on the subject, are you not Mr. Superior Being?
What are you doing to that poor 970? I mean a 750 TI can pretty much match the PS4, try capping the Witcher 3 at 30 fps - put everything on Ultra and then compare it to the PS4 version.
A whole new world awaits.
copelandmaster
Member
Monitor resolutions up to 5120 x 2880 (Dell UP2715K)
16xAF for practically no performance hit
Higher draw distance
Monitor refresh rates up to 165hz (Asus PG279Q)
PC exclusive NVIDIA & AMD Hardware exclusive graphics settings
Access to High/Ultra versions of graphics presets not available in the console releases for performance reasons
Multi-monitor configurations
Experimental driver modification AND official post/pre-release VR support in non VR games (Alien Isolation is "technically official", Ethan Carter UE4 is coming in the future. GTA V and Dolphin are popular driver level mods.)
Driver level graphics options including down sampling and post-processing and AA injection
PC Monitor exclusive technologies like Lightboost, G-Sync & Freesync
"Minor"
16xAF for practically no performance hit
Higher draw distance
Monitor refresh rates up to 165hz (Asus PG279Q)
PC exclusive NVIDIA & AMD Hardware exclusive graphics settings
Access to High/Ultra versions of graphics presets not available in the console releases for performance reasons
Multi-monitor configurations
Experimental driver modification AND official post/pre-release VR support in non VR games (Alien Isolation is "technically official", Ethan Carter UE4 is coming in the future. GTA V and Dolphin are popular driver level mods.)
Driver level graphics options including down sampling and post-processing and AA injection
PC Monitor exclusive technologies like Lightboost, G-Sync & Freesync
"Minor"