For me 1-3 are of equal quality though 1 is something special. Has the best balance of cutscenes I think.
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For me 1-3 are of equal quality though 1 is something special. Has the best balance of cutscenes I think.
Graphics Horse
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Let them retreat to this text based world where we can pretend the word 'five' was never spoken multiple times in every presentation.
If you're missing the last photo, look around in the medical strut corridor.
Yeah seems like it which is crazy IMO since it is Kojima game.
There is high possibility that there is some other sideop in that location that you need to do before you get access to it. Didn't happen to me so not sure though but has happened with other sideops.
You can see the enemy force before you start an attack on a FOB, so you can make a strategy. And the UAV, you can shoot the, 3 to 4 bullets on the camera and they go down
I'm seeing some PC users having problems opening this side ops. Try playing others side ops, maybe that will fix your problem.
So I just finished the game and after quickly looking through this thread, it is, in a nutshell, "I don't like the story of this game so I will make excuses to convince me that it's not canon even though there is literally nothing that suggests this is the case".
Peace Walker isn't numbered either, I guess it's not canon lolololo
Peace Walker isn't numbered either, I guess it's not canon lolololo
Are people saying it's not canon? It most certainly is.
I'm not sure if it's really Metal Geal Solid 5, though.
Death Metalist
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CAAALLLIINGGG TOOO THHEEEEE NNNIIIGHHHTTT
Looks like it lol even though the game ends with two fucking timeline scrolls.
Looks like it lol even though the game ends with two fucking timeline scrolls.
Shanks D Zoro
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2 remains the masterpiece for me. It took everything MGS did and then did it better plus some.
The Silver
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Of course it is, Kojima cam say whatever the hell he wants, as far as #FuckKonami is concerned the game is MGS5.
if the environment was more varied (big shell was crap compared to shadow moses) and the player character was actually snake... and the story wasn't a convoluted mess...then yeah, i think i'd rate MGS2 higher then the first.
Kenzodielocke
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My maaaaan.
ThatArcher
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I've had 3 attempts where I resort to just killing/ tranqing everyone and BB ends up jumping off of a ledge instead of hanging and dying
Like WTF
why did you jump!?
Thanks for the tips guys 
I'll just continue playing the game and try not to explode if the game happens to be bugged.
The nostalgic side in me wants to say MGS, but the logical side says MGS2.
I'll just continue playing the game and try not to explode if the game happens to be bugged.The nostalgic side in me wants to say MGS, but the logical side says MGS2.
MGS1 has always been my favorite. Overall best bosses (in terms of gameplay and characters) and definitely my favorite story of the bunch. 3 is very close though.
Kenzodielocke
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Peace Walker is 5, this is 6.
Shanks D Zoro
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The story is pretty simple if you follow it, but I can understand some people not liking it.
But people should get over playing as Raiden. I hated playing as him my first playthrough but then it all makes sense by the end and the game would just not have worked if you could play as Snake in the Big Shell.
Plus I feel it has three unique locations. Tanker, Big Shell, and Arsenal gear.
I played MGS a few weeks back and still love it to death, but just everything about MGS2 just makes me go wow. Still when I see all those soldiers in the hold, and shooting watermelons it blows me away.
Shanks D Zoro
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yeah, I have no problem thinking like this. Kojima has said PW was 5 for him, but I guess calling a portable game 5 would have been too much.
The Jackdog
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i mean....its the roman numeral for 5....
pretty clear why they used the v after the twists too
eso76
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It's not 5 because it's not about Solid Snake or Big Boss, i assume.
But pretending it's not canon and this never happened is delusional and pointless.
But it is about Big Boss, because Venom is also Big Boss.
UnluckyKate
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I like Portable Ops story and pacing better than 5. if it wasn't for the mission 42 (? I think) and for its frame perfect, borderline emergent and stellar gameplay, I would have taken MGSV for another Platinum game, the kind with perfect gameplay and shit or dull or bland everything else.
It's an amazing game. Just a terrible terrible MGS, and it hurst all of us because this is the last one, the last MGS by Kojima ever and its not good, worst, its pointless and ultimately not memorable for one bit
Man, now I want to play MGS. It's -50% on PS Store! Might be time to dust off the old PS3.
Would you rather feel ashamed of your words and deeds?
Okay so wait...
If you chose a black avatar, does it fuck with the cutscenes? I mean, the doctor shows you the x-rays and has Venom look down at his right hand, then his missing left arm (when he has his panic attack) then later he shows you your avatar's face (mission 46, the truth). Thing is when he looks down at his hand, it's white. Later the doctor pulls up a mirror so you can see your real face. It'd make no sense if your hand, rest of your body is white and your head is black.
Agreed. It was so goddamn stupid.
If you chose a black avatar, does it fuck with the cutscenes? I mean, the doctor shows you the x-rays and has Venom look down at his right hand, then his missing left arm (when he has his panic attack) then later he shows you your avatar's face (mission 46, the truth). Thing is when he looks down at his hand, it's white. Later the doctor pulls up a mirror so you can see your real face. It'd make no sense if your hand, rest of your body is white and your head is black.
Agreed. It was so goddamn stupid.
The Boss worship was always ridiculous. She was a soldier with her mission and nation as her top priority - which is supposed to be the mentality of every soldier. She sacrifices herself to complete her mission - which has been done by thousands of soldiers and every posthumously awarded Medal of Honor recipient.
And so two guys, Big Boss and Zero, decide to fuck the entire world over, waving "her ideals" as their banner? The closest thing we get to her "ideals" is that she states that there is "no true enemy" and an ally could later be an enemy, vice versa.. Nothing she says should be profound to anyone in the military!
How the fuck did Kojima think that could be the basis for MSF, Cipher, The Patriots, or Outer Heaven?
And so two guys, Big Boss and Zero, decide to fuck the entire world over, waving "her ideals" as their banner? The closest thing we get to her "ideals" is that she states that there is "no true enemy" and an ally could later be an enemy, vice versa.. Nothing she says should be profound to anyone in the military!
How the fuck did Kojima think that could be the basis for MSF, Cipher, The Patriots, or Outer Heaven?
Kenzodielocke
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I like MGS4 way more the V.
semiconscious
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agree completely. game would've worked so much better for me had it not had to exist within the mgs universe. & i can't help but think that kojima would've had more fun with it, as well
...The Boss' legacy and the support staff from MGS3 being the Patriots has always seemed pretty silly.
Because it has a better story.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
No. Kojima wanted Snake to convey emotion via facial expressions and such as opposed to exposition and whatnot.
Eh, it's not an uncommon story device in fallen hero stories, that the hero goes villain because of a woman. I can buy it.
Even so it's tough seeing all these scenes play out (the torture especially) and Snake is just stood there. The Skullface speech on the jeep is the worst offender.
I can't say I've actually noticed Snake have much of an expression at all, the camera is hardly ever focused on him anyways - I feel like most of the time people are just talking at him and the camera focuses on the person talking to Snake.
matrix-cat
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Which is why Venom is almost always shot from his eyepatch side and remains stonefaced in pretty much every cutscene
I remember exactly two facial expressions in the whole game: the smirk in the "I am you, you are me (we're a happy family)" scene, and BB's hilarious "Watch out, we've got a badass over here" face when Miller pulls his ridiculous "He's no natural" stunt with the child soldiers you bring back to base.
Which is why Venom is almost always shot from his eyepatch side and remains stonefaced in pretty much every cutscene
I remember exactly two facial expressions in the whole game: the smirk in the "I am you, you are me (we're a happy family)" scene, and BB's hilarious "Watch out, we've got a badass over here" face when Miller pulls his ridiculous "He's no natural" stunt with the child soldiers you bring back to base.
Yeah, it was pretty badly handled. Kojima screwed us over on the story. The whole thing was poorly handled and poorly written. It should've been the story of Big Boss' downfall - his descent into madness which causes him to become the villain we face in MG1 and MG2. That is what was clearly advertised in the trailers. But no, we got to play as some random ass medic so Kojima could say "herp derp you guys helped make big boss who he is! 4th wall broken at the expense of a coherent story!" STOOOOOOPID
I was really hoping MGSV would have an African jungle in addition to the Afghani desert and mountains. Taking the best elements of MGS3 into current gen would have been perfection with this engine's gameplay. But it didn't happen.
How is it that none of the MGS staples made it into MGSV? No capturing and escape. No vehicle chase with shootout. No boss variety, just Quiet, Sahelanthropus twice, and Skulls three times. Using L1 to call in real-time codec conversations during boss battles would be perfect!
How much, exactly, got cut from this game? I doubt it's just Mission 51. Battle Gear, Camp Omega, warring factions, Ocelot involvement, etc?
I can't help but wish the Fox Engine gets used to recreate a larger, seamless MGS3. Even if it's a series of narrow jungle corridors, they could be ten times wider, allowing for a much more varied experience. Groznyj Grad could be the size and complexity of Camp Omega (with more interiors).
I can't help but think that will never happen.
How is it that none of the MGS staples made it into MGSV? No capturing and escape. No vehicle chase with shootout. No boss variety, just Quiet, Sahelanthropus twice, and Skulls three times. Using L1 to call in real-time codec conversations during boss battles would be perfect!
How much, exactly, got cut from this game? I doubt it's just Mission 51. Battle Gear, Camp Omega, warring factions, Ocelot involvement, etc?
I can't help but wish the Fox Engine gets used to recreate a larger, seamless MGS3. Even if it's a series of narrow jungle corridors, they could be ten times wider, allowing for a much more varied experience. Groznyj Grad could be the size and complexity of Camp Omega (with more interiors).
I can't help but think that will never happen.
That's not really what we got, though. I would accept a lover's and father figure's mission of revenge far more easily than two people's mission to spread her ideals - when their interpretation of her ideals is as ass-backwards and off-base as fuck.
A lot of things didn't happen in this game that should have happened. And a lot of things will continue to never happen that should happen. How disappointing.
Kojima said a lot of things. It's just another gimmick, honestly.
Because if Peace Walker was the real MGSV (as Kojima stated originally), why the hell Konami should promote the game as Peace Walker and not MGS5?
A numbered release attract way more people than a "spin-off" (I know it's not the case of PW, but people not into the saga could think about it as a spin-off).
Also releasing MGS5/PW, a major sequel, on a portable device and not a home console....there's no sense on this, really. At least by a financial point of view.
The above message for me it's just another gimmick, Kojima is not so deep as people want to think, honestly. This is Metal Gear Solid 5, the V in the title refers to a number of things, like the roman numeral of 5, since a lot of people like to use that version instead of arabic numeral. Or a reference to 1985 and ingsoc, since there's also a reference in one of the tapes. And as stated in this thread too, V means also Venom.
But the fact Kojima is trying to pass this chapter, Metal Gear Solid 5, as V (like if this is a spin-off), well, it's a gimmick for me. I think Kojima gives too much credit toward what people think about his games. People argued about cutscenes, he stripped them from MGSV.
People cried about mecha fights on PW, no mecha battles in V (well, no boss battles in V except in two istances, lol).
So probably people argued (yeah, people are arguing about MGSV, it's not a thing related to this thread only) about MGSV, and Kojima is trying to pass it as a spin-off.
At least this is what I think.
White hands, yep, lol.
Mix Master
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i wonder why miller joined back up with cipher later. this whole game is "lets destroy cipher Boss mayne"
Wasn't The Boss something of a mother figure to Snake to begin with, though?
He's not a random ass medic anymore, he's Big Boss. The legacy of Big Boss in MG1, MG2, MGS, MGS2, and MGS4 is just as much Venom as the real Big Boss. I'm not saying the twist is good or well written, or even that logical, but the people who think this game is irrelevant because you're not the same Big Boss from Snake Eater are missing the point. Venom is Big Boss too.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Because later they were like "Woops looks like it wasn't Cipher after all, our bad"
What I still don't get is why Skull Face blew up MSF when he was with Cipher... did he do that on his own or was it part of his orders? Because if Cipher ordered it then this makes even less sense
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