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Sucks for people that dont just exit the hotzone instead
Exactly. Hayter was perfect for a series as goofy as Metal Gear. His voice became iconic for a reason. Outside of Japan, he became the voice of Metal Gear.
LowParry
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Such a lust for reason.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Lol. Didn't think of that. I think I ended up just calling a tank in.
The pacing of the game was certainly pretty damn wonky.
KOMANI
KOMANI
I didn't mind. I was used to that since the European extreme boss fight against Olga. Sure it's frustrating, but like everything else on this world, once you understand something, it becomes easier.
Quiet extreme and Metalic Archaia Extreme are my go to when I want independent soldiers to raise their stats.
greycolumbus
The success of others absolutely infuriates me.
Listen to this shit. Listen to how he says "relics", or any other word that comes at the end of a sentence.
His performance became a bad joke that permeates even when he's doing other characters.
I assume you have to do a lot of upgrading to be able to reach that far.
I found Quiet on extreme to be one of the best battles in the whole series, harder than The End and none of the tedious waiting around from Crying Wolf. One wrong move and you're dead, that's intense. I particularly enjoyed sneaking up and punching her, that seemed to do the most damage actually.
FlashbladeGAF
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Because you can play this game so many ways, once I stopped being a wuss and fought the Skulls up close, I had a much more enjoyable boss fighting experience than I did my first time thru [rocket launcher and a horse].
+10
He seemed quite anxious and desperate haha... i guess he was shocked to see so many negative thumbs on his review.
Because you can play this game so many ways, once I stopped being a wuss and fought the Skulls up close, I had a much more enjoyable boss fighting experience than I did my first time thru [rocket launcher and a horse].
I have to agree... i hated the skulls.. until i leaned you can go CQC in epic moments. Pretty fun fights after that.
Oh yes. He said "relics" alright. What's your point?
FlashbladeGAF
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I called in an Airstrike on Extreme
After a few hours playing a game a certain way, you tend to forget that the game gives you so many ways to tackle a problem if your not afraid to try and get your hands dirty instead of keeping your distance and playing it safe.
But CQCing those guys felt so good. Especially after all the damn trouble they give you throughout the game.
The Skull-Girls can be CQC'd too, but you have to make sure you've taken out the others or they rant in your line of sight to snipe you.
Perhaps you just genuinely can't hear how terrible his performance is.
Death Metalist
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Then you have people that say the game is to fan service-y and was relying on older, better games lol. As for the Hayter and Keifer debate, I'm siding with Hayter because if people listen to interviews with Hayter he said that he was told to use that Old Snake voice. I mean, his Winter Soldier performance sounds like young snake.
Stevey
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He sounds like his throat dries up at the end of every sentence.
It's so dumb.
MGS
W is his worst.Or you cannot hear how amazing his performance is. What exactly is wrong with the way he said "relics"?
Yeah this wasn't very good. I maintain that it was grime the way konami just let him god. I think he'd have been a great asset in writing because he's a shit VA.
Lostconfused
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Nah you just need the Tier 2 upgrade and its very manageable. It's a slightly tedious way to do it because it takes a while to recharge the energy but it isn't that bad as you have to preposition so much anyway.
It should be very easy with the maxed out rocket punch.
Clear
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Actually I'd argue that the very type of criticism I'm arguing against and decrying comes from "fanboyism".
I mean specifically that MGSV is a very different take on the MGS formula and some people seem to be having real issues because its so different.
Taking MGS4 for example, which by being massively narrative-heavy, heavily scripted and set-pieced, and laboriously tying up ever dangling plot-thread (to its own detriment) is pretty much the polar opposite of this game.
If that game left a major sub-plot hanging the way V does, I'd genuinely be in agreement that its an egregious problem.
However, as this game is episodic, free-form, and largely governed by an all-encompassing base building meta-game I dont find the lack of a splashy final act (assuming you conveniently ignore eps 30/31) to be an issue.
More pointedly MGSV is a game which is all about retrying the same scenarios using different tools and techniques, its a very mechanics heavy design. Contrast that with 4 which made replaying sections pretty impractical due to the lengthy reinstalls between chapters.
akidnamededdy
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That's not even what he says...
If Hayter has a marble gargling problem, Sutherland has a mumbling problem.
KOMANI
KOMANI
That's just an example, I could have used the big boss and solid snake confrontation... Which is nice... Isn't?
He doesn't sound like young Snake there. He sounds like young Snake here.
He just makes this terrible choice where he growls the last syllables in every sentence. He didn't do that in MGS1, but it's certainly there in MGS3 and more prevalent as the games went on.
I'm not familiar with the guy outside of that review but at certain places I was questioning if I'd even played the same game as him.
I fucking hate how people are trying to color our disappointment with MGSV being "its just MGS nerds don't like the story" Yes, I found certain aspects of MGS story (mainly the ending) to be rubbish. But that's not the only reason. The empty superfluous open world, the repetitive missions, the waiting times between everything and the unfinished second half are what make it a massive disappointment.
Keep hiding behind that amazing game play though.
i don't think hayter rikes me anymore
david can't handle the bantz
He sounds the same in every line... there is no emotion.. or intention. its just delivering a line with some pauses. How is this good VA? The colonel does great VA.
To me it felt like he just played the game for a few hours and thats it. I had the same impression of the game for most of Chapter 1... where everything is well paced, and you keep running into new things and new challenges. Its very cool. But after a while, and a lot of people have pointed it out, the side ops become redundant... the mission structure doesn't really change and Chapter 2 is just a cluster mess.
I am with you. Love the game for its gameplay... but it has some serious flaws that people should own and point out. Because these flaws.. they run deep.
Like you said... i was disappointed the more i played the game. Not more excited. Which is kinda sad. Considering how much of a fan i am to the series.
We've finally got there guys! We now have Metal Gear fans comparing MGS1 and 2 to Resident Evil 1 to justify Hayter's poor performances.
Yes, Resident Evil 1's voice acting is legendary because it is so awful and corny, however, this is not the same reason why the Metal Gear games are memorable. MGS1 and 2 are essentially serious dramas, and the performances in those games are genuine. Hayter was actually good in MGS1 because he actually gave a strong believable performance.
MGS3 is a play of the 60s spy genre, so it's fair to say that its intentionally corny. Lets not however kid ourselves by pretending the Metal Gear franchise is a huge joke just so that we can give Hayter a free pass on his performance.
Yes, Resident Evil 1's voice acting is legendary because it is so awful and corny, however, this is not the same reason why the Metal Gear games are memorable. MGS1 and 2 are essentially serious dramas, and the performances in those games are genuine. Hayter was actually good in MGS1 because he actually gave a strong believable performance.
MGS3 is a play of the 60s spy genre, so it's fair to say that its intentionally corny. Lets not however kid ourselves by pretending the Metal Gear franchise is a huge joke just so that we can give Hayter a free pass on his performance.
orthodoxy1095
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Yeah, the Skulls blew until I started doing CQC against them. Still not my favorite, but much more digestible once I realized that it was just as viable.
I find the characterization annoying since I'm not an MGS nerd at all
More importantly, it's possible to have generally enjoyed your time with the game and still critique it. That's the mark of being a grown-up: recognizing the flaws in things you like.
It worked for who Solid Snake is. He's a cold, super-tier soldier. Good voice acting doesn't have to be able being enthusiastic, but you should sound genuine. MGS1 sounds genuine, "You tend to twist your elbow to absorb the recoilugh" doesn't.
Death Metalist
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Well people age, you know? My point was that he could reach somewhere near that vicinity with good direction. Of course he isn't going to sound the same as 1998, lmao.
FlashbladeGAF
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It's all on direction.
Hey David, no need to make Snake sound aged or sick or anything. Just talk semi-normal.
And Troy... when doing these tapes, pick a voice...either do a russian or Joel from the Last of Us. I'd prefer in between with a little Ocelot pizzaz
And Robin... Miller's angry and I know its been 9 years, but is he Batman now or can he just be regular Kaz thats just mad. You know what... do Batman then do regular Kaz when he's talking about Hamburgers.
Na... listen to the colonel\. really, its not enthusiastic. but emphasizes certain parts of words to bring emotion. this scene that was linked,works.. because other people have strong deliveries. even if Hayter doesn't. Sorry... but flat VA... doesn't speal cold, super tier soldier.
But when he does the same awful voice and makes the same awful vocal delivery decisions in Dragon Age it's clear that it isn't just the direction; he has a warped idea of what the Snake voice is, and the voice has become a parody of itself over time.
Berserker976
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I'll take "shit tier" Hayter over mumbling, bored as hell Kiefer ten times out of ten.
Kiefer isn't terrible in TPP, he's worse than that, he's bland.
Oh, and about half the time he actually DID have lines, he manage to screw up intonation.
Death Metalist
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But then you got examples in interviews, panels and shit where he sounds much better or in other video games depending on the direction. Who knows maybe Bioware were massive fans of his growling MGS voice lol.
Punished_Snake
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I really liked the fight on extreme. I think MGS 2 and MGS 4 boss fights were not good, but I understand and agree about the personality thing. Maybe a fight against baby Mantis with some fourth wall breaking stuff?
lol! Seems about right.
Yeah, the Skulls blew until I started doing CQC against them. Still not my favorite, but much more digestible once I realized that it was just as viable.
I find the characterization annoying since I'm not an MGS nerd at all
More importantly, it's possible to have generally enjoyed your time with the game and still critique it. That's the mark of being a grown-up: recognizing the flaws in things you like.
It's easier for people who overly praised the game to just pretend there is no grey area than to actually think critically about their views and the game itself.
Plus like you said you can still like/enjoy a thing while tearing aspects of it to shreds of critique it.
In this compilation he does that terrible 'end-of-sentence' growling thing throughout.
I have nothing against Hayter but his Snake voice became a parody of itself.
People may not like Kiefer for his un-enthused performance, I understand that. But I'll take a dull Kiefer delivery over Hayter taking me out of the scene and making me think "no human being sounds like that, not a single one" when he opens his mouth.
This is also a good example. Just feels empty.
Which is weird. Because the rest of the case usually has pretty good VA.
She shurfifed?
I was typing on my phone. My thumb swiped "home" instead of "down."
That line was fantastic. That whole section, including the suggestion to heal wounds in battle, and 'you're looking at yourself'... all great. No other voice actor would have made those lines better. That's all the proof I need to say he was great for the part.
The rest of the game is Kiefer working with the material in front of him, or was simply cut from the game.
talking in a low growl is quality voice acting according to some.
greycolumbus
The success of others absolutely infuriates me.
Don't agree with you completely, but Kiefer's KEPTYAWAIDINGHA always makes me sensibly chuckle.
Yea.. i really like the prologue work. Even in GZ he had some really good lines. Apart from the obvious Ocellit and Shurfife. lol
BUt.. i still think he really pours a lot more emotion and meaning to his lines. Too bad what he had to work with was very little and maybe not even well directed. The pull the trigger cutscene with Quiet was pretty awesome.
I feel i can't take you seriously until you turn super saiyan Chinner.
ShockingAlberto
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I don't know that Hayter's voice acting can really be criticized in a game where Huey just straight up has Otacon's voice and chews the scenery so hard that you can't get the deposit back.
RSB
Banned
Alfonso Valles (he voiced Snake in the spanish version of MGS1) will always be the GOAT Snake voice. Too bad we only got him for one game...
Oh well, at least he got to voice the best game in the franchise from a story perspective, so it's not that bad.
Oh well, at least he got to voice the best game in the franchise from a story perspective, so it's not that bad.
Alfonso Valles did Snake's voice for Spain. Castillian I guess you'd call it? Anyway, he was really good. In fact, MGS1 dubbing is kind of legendary around here.
That is an awful sentence.
Perhaps that's one place where Hayter had it right. Kept you waitin', huuurgh is probably the only way to deliver it.
Hayter started out really strong, but each game was a descent in terms of his performance.
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