So like how does Pro Wrestling work?

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What is the audience chanting?

"What."

It's a chant that Austin started that is probably now widely agreed to be one of the most annoying chants ever. Usually done by the crowd in an attempt to disrupt a wrestler while they're talking and making annoying pauses

in

between

words

or

sentences.
 

VoxPop

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Lmao
 

Seraphis Cain

bad gameplay lol
At least it was at the bottom of a page so most people won't see it now. :lol

Maybe I'm being a little facetious and actually want to see reactions. Maybe.

EDIT: Never mind. :lol
 
"What."

It's a chant that Austin started that is probably now widely agreed to be one of the most annoying chants ever. Usually done by the crowd in an attempt to disrupt a wrestler while they're talking and making annoying pauses

in

between

words

or

sentences.

Someone link him the time the undertaker screwed over the crowd's what chant

can't do it myself at the moment
 

Pavaloo

Member
"What."

It's a chant that Austin started that is probably now widely agreed to be one of the most annoying chants ever. Usually done by the crowd in an attempt to disrupt a wrestler while they're talking and making annoying pauses

in

between

words

or

sentences.
The what chant is the perfect litmus test for who can promo worth a damn. It's easy to diffuse and the crowd wants to be involved. Even Stewart figured it out the second he was opening Summerslam.

I think I'm the only duder who likes the what chant lol
 

industrian

will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
I have to think with Pro Wrestling, that this sort of thing was a staple across continents and cultures for a long time. I'm just of the opinion that the WWE has been leaning on it way too much lately to get the crowd pumped.

From my understanding, pro wrestling and MMA are two sides of the same coin. 100 years ago when pro wrestling emerged it was "real", but then some promoters realised that it'd be easier just to put on a show than to have guys really trying to hurt each other (easier as in there's fewer regulations and guys can fight more often). Most of the fake fighting took place in carnivals and shit, which is why you still have "carny slang" within the wrestling community (mark, buy, sell, etc).
 

ArtHands

Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Yah, that taker-mankind match is certainly one of the craziest match ever. Couldnt believe that mankind was thrown off the top of the cell like that

Another crazy match is the TLC match between the Dudleys/Hardy/E&C.

Lots of crazy actions and dangerous moves
 

Krejlooc

Banned
"Like most professional wrestling matches, the match was the result of a scripted feud with predetermined results but was nonetheless an amazing athletic display of courage by two professionals willing to put their bodies on the line to entertain their fans worldwide."

NPOV? What NPOV? :lol

lol
 
And, of course, if you want real brutality, just google CZW, IWA-MS or FMW.

Don't google those, for the sake of your own sanity.
 

Krejlooc

Banned
From my understanding, pro wrestling and MMA are two sides of the same coin. 100 years ago when pro wrestling emerged it was "real", but then some promoters realised that it'd be easier just to put on a show than to have guys really trying to hurt each other (easier as in there's fewer regulations and guys can fight more often). Most of the fake fighting took place in carnivals and shit, which is why you still have "carny slang" within the wrestling community (mark, buy, sell, etc).

what do these terms mean?

Oh, also that hulk hogan quote that has gone around a lot. "Sometimes a mark shoots a mark and a shoot" or whatever. Someone parse that for me so it makes sense.
 
I don't wanna sound like a shill, but if you DID want to learn more about wrestling history and the how's and why's, there are programs on the WWE Network that go into this stuff. Austin's interviews with Vince McMahon and Triple H, "Legends Roundtable" with various older wrestlers where they discuss a topic at length, "Table for 3" which is a newer show that has a group reflect on their own experiences, etc. Those are done "out of character" and you normally won't hear them talking as if they're getting ready for another match. Think of them like actors being interviewed.

This is all available on the aforementioned WWE Network, which is available for a monthly fee of:

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I just wanted an excuse to post the gif :x
 

DKehoe

Member
From my understanding, pro wrestling and MMA are two sides of the same coin. 100 years ago when pro wrestling emerged it was "real", but then some promoters realised that it'd be easier just to put on a show than to have guys really trying to hurt each other (easier as in there's fewer regulations and guys can fight more often). Most of the fake fighting took place in carnivals and shit, which is why you still have "carny slang" within the wrestling community (mark, buy, sell, etc).

Yeh, promoters realised that matches which were scripted to be exciting (and have things like a good guy/bad guy dynamic) were much more appealing to the audience than the legitimate matches which could go for hours with nothing really happening. Things escalated from there really.
 

VoxPop

Member
I don't wanna sound like a shill, but if you DID want to learn more about wrestling history and the how's and why's, there are programs on the WWE Network that go into this stuff. Austin's interviews with Vince McMahon and Triple H, "Legends Roundtable" with various older wrestlers where they discuss a topic at length, "Table for 3" which is a newer show that has a group reflect on their own experiences, etc. Those are done "out of character" and you normally won't hear them talking as if they're getting ready for another match. Think of them like actors being interviewed.

This is all available on the aforementioned WWE Network, which is available for a monthly fee of:

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I just wanted an excuse to post the gif :x

I honestly dont think those are stuff he should be watching yet. If anything he should just watch the Monday Night Wars series.
 
jesus christ.

Care to take a stab at hogan's quote?

I don't even think Hogan knows what it meant when he tweeted it.

Basically the "work yourself into a shoot" part means you're taking something fake and building it into something real. Like if I said that something was dumb in jest, and someone took it seriously and got all mad over it.

...I think.
 
Yah, that taker-mankind match is certainly one of the craziest match ever. Couldnt believe that mankind was thrown off the top of the cell like that

Another crazy match is the TLC match between the Dudleys/Hardy/E&C.

Lots of crazy actions and dangerous moves
Can't beat the ladder spear
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Krejlooc

Banned
Burial/bury

The worked lowering (relegation) of a popular wrestler's status in the eyes of the fans. It is the act of a promoter or booker causing a wrestler to lose popularity by forcing them to lose in squash matches, continuously, or participate in unentertaining or degrading storylines. It can be a form of punishment for real-life backstage disagreements or feuds between the wrestler and the booker, the wrestler falling out of favor with the company, or the wrestler receiving an unpopular gimmick that causes him to lose credibility regardless of win-loss record.

LOL there is a futurama episode about this.
 
jesus christ.

Care to take a stab at hogan's quote?

"Goodnight HULKAMANIACS and jabronie marks without a life that don't know it a work when you work a work and work yourself into a shoot,marks"

Translation:

"Goodnight to my fans and the dumbasses without a life that don't know when something's just part of the storyline and end up fooling themselves into thinking it's real, idiots."
 

Krejlooc

Banned
"Goodnight HULKAMANIACS and jabronie marks without a life that don't know it a work when you work a work and work yourself into a shoot,marks"

Translation:

"Goodnight to my fans and the dumbasses without a life that don't know when something's just part of the storyline and end up fooling themselves into thinking it's real, idiots."

uh, but didn't this come out during that whole racism shit? Was he trying to imply that it was all part of an elaborate act? lol
 
Basically, I'm morbidly curious about how the entire thing came to be. Someone drop some interesting wrestling history knowledge on me.

Pro wrestling was originally legit wrestling, with legit competitors (called "shooters" or "hookers") who would compete to pin or submit opponents. Sometimes the competitions were two professionals going after it, and sometimes the competitions were challenges where local folk would take on a traveling professional, usually for a cash prize, if the local challenger could best the pro.

Sometimes the matches occurred in theaters and sports venues, or matches were part of a traveling carnival.

As the sport evolved and became more professional, and the pros became more evenly-matched, often the matches would become very technical, and last hours at a time.

Promoters noticed that the sport was kind of boring when matches would last hours, and they certainly wouldn't make as much money putting on one long show, when they could have shorter matches, and have multiple shows a day. So they started putting on "worked" matches, where the outcome was predetermined. These matches were often much more exciting, and the promoters made lots of money, so more and more the "worked" matches became the norm.

Still, even in the modern era -- even as late as the late-70s, many pro wrestling companies kept at least a few legitimate tough guy "shooters" on the payroll, used as enforcers to take care of business in case a pro wrestler who was supposed to lose tried to go against the scripted outcome.

Pro wrestling in Japan as we know it started during the post-war occupation of Japan by US businessmen, originally to entertain the troops. In 1950, a Korean-Japanese sumo named Rikidozan retired from sumo and entered pro wrestling in 1951. He became a superstar and national hero in matches where he defended Japan's honor vs. villainous US wrestlers. Pro wrestling became a huge and profitable form of entertainment in Japan.

Also in the post-war era, a group of promoters for various touring companies in North America (and eventually Japan) got together and formed the National Wrestling Alliance, to form regional borders of influence, called "territories" and to establish national and world champions that would tour around to all the various association's members' companies as a special attraction headline act to increase business.

As the business moved out of the carnivals and old theaters and into this new territorial area of established arenas and venues, the advent of television in the 1950s pushed Pro Wrestling to greater heights of popularity and theatricality. In the US, the regional touring companies that were already established became very centralized around local television stations, leading to the development of even stronger regional "territories" -- regional areas centered around one or more television stations in a touring area, usually controlled by one company. This "territorial system" in the United states would reach its height in the early 1970s, when independent UHF stations materialized, leading to a competitive market for wresting programming.

When cable television came on the scene though, the territorial system collapsed, as now wrestling programming could be nationally broadcast easily. This led to the rise of the WWF (now WWE) becoming the main company in North America. In Japan, wresting continued to flourish under many more promotional banners for a while longer, eventually contracting significantly after the boom and bust period of Japanese MMA.

...

The best way to think of what pro wrestling is, is it is a performance art. It's part scripted theater, part improvised. Basically, "physical jazz."

In matches, the outcome is known, the finish of the match, and usually a few "highspots" -- usually particularly spectacular moves in a match. A whole lot of the rest of the match is improvised. The wrestlers in the ring secretly talk to each other during the match, telling each other the next moves, and listen to the crowd to gauge their reactions. They then try to form a match to manipulate the emotions of the audience the way they want the to, to achieve the aims of the storyline of the match. The referee is a third player in the drama, contributing to the tension (usually by missing the villain's cheating) and also communicating the timing of the match and easing the communication between the two wrestlers when they aren't in earshot of each other.

So like jazz music, the "players" know the general outline of the "song," but are very much improvising and relying on their expertise to "fill in the blanks" of the structure of the "song."

When done right, pro wrestlers can tell remarkable stories in the ring, just with their physicality. So it's kind of like dance too. When done right, its a universal language. For example, I can and have easily enjoyed a great Japanese match, or series of matches, or even a whole feud storyline between wrestlers, or even an entire wrestler's decades-long career, without speaking Japanese.
 

DKehoe

Member
jesus christ.

Care to take a stab at hogan's quote?

A mark basically means a member of the audience, or perhaps more specifically a gullible member of the audience who believes it that the fake stuff is real.

A work is when something is staged. So a pro wrestling match is a work between two guys.

A shoot is the opposite of a work, it means it's legitimate. If a guy "shoots" on someone during a match it means he is legitimately trying to hurt them. If someone "shoots" on someone during an interview it means they aren't going from a script and are saying what they, not the character, think. This can get confusing because sometimes wrestling storylines involve "worked shoots" which are things designed to make the audience believe what they have seen isn't scripted when in fact it is. Wrestling has a weird relationship with the 4th wall.

So:

"Goodnight HULKAMANIACS and jabronie marks without a life that don't know it a work when you work a work and work yourself into a shoot,marks"

Basically means he's talking about people he considers idiots who don't realise something is staged and get genuinely annoyed about it.
 

Krejlooc

Banned
Pro wrestling was originally legit wrestling, with legit competitors (called "shooters" or "hookers") who would compete to pin or submit opponents. Sometimes the competitions were two professionals going after it, and sometimes the competitions were challenges where local folk would take on a traveling professional, usually for a cash prize, if the local challenger could best the pro.

Sometimes the matches occurred in theaters and sports venues, or matches were part of a traveling carnival.

As the sport evolved and became more professional, and the pros became more evenly-matched, often the matches would become very technical, and last hours at a time.

Promoters noticed that the sport was kind of boring when matches would last hours, and they certainly wouldn't make as much money putting on one long show, when they could have shorter matches, and have multiple shows a day. So they started putting on "worked" matches, where the outcome was predetermined. These matches were often much more exciting, and the promoters made lots of money, so more and more the "worked" matches became the norm.

Still, even in the modern era -- even as late as the late-70s, many pro wrestling companies kept at least a few legitimate tough guy "shooters" on the payroll, used as enforcers to take care of business in case a pro wrestler who was supposed to lose tried to go against the scripted outcome.

Pro wrestling in Japan as we know it started during the post-war occupation of Japan by US businessmen, originally to entertain the troops. In 1950, a Korean-Japanese sumo named Rikidozan retired from sumo and entered pro wrestling in 1951. He became a superstar and national hero in matches where he defended Japan's honor vs. villainous US wrestlers. Pro wrestling became a huge and profitable form of entertainment in Japan.

Also in the post-war era, a group of promoters for various touring companies in North America (and eventually Japan) got together and formed the National Wrestling Alliance, to form regional borders of influence, called "territories" and to establish national and world champions that would tour around to all the various association's members' companies as a special attraction headline act to increase business.

As the business moved out of the carnivals and old theaters and into this new territorial area of established arenas and venues, the advent of television in the 1950s pushed Pro Wrestling to greater heights of popularity and theatricality. In the US, the regional touring companies that were already established became very centralized around local television stations, leading to the development of even stronger regional "territories" -- regional areas centered around one or more television stations in a touring area, usually controlled by one company. This "territorial system" in the United states would reach its height in the early 1970s, when independent UHF stations materialized, leading to a competitive market for wresting programming.

When cable television came on the scene though, the territorial system collapsed, as now wrestling programming could be nationally broadcast easily. This led to the rise of the WWF (now WWE) becoming the main company in North America. In Japan, wresting continued to flourish under many more promotional banners for a while longer, eventually contracting significantly after the boom and bust period of Japanese MMA.

...

The best way to think of what pro wrestling is, is it is a performance art. It's part scripted theater, part improvised. Basically, "physical jazz."

In matches, the outcome is known, the finish of the match, and usually a few "highspots" -- usually particularly spectacular moves in a match. A whole lot of the rest of the match is improvised. The wrestlers in the ring secretly talk to each other during the match, telling each other the next moves, and listen to the crowd to gauge their reactions. They then try to form a match to manipulate the emotions of the audience the way they want the to, to achieve the aims of the storyline of the match. The referee is a third player in the drama, contributing to the tension (usually by missing the villain's cheating) and also communicating the timing of the match and easing the communication between the two wrestlers when they aren't in earshot of each other.

So like jazz music, the "players" know the general outline of the "song," but are very much improvising and relying on their expertise to "fill in the blanks" of the structure of the "song."

When done right, pro wrestlers can tell remarkable stories in the ring, just with their physicality. So it's kind of like dance too. When done right, its a universal language. For example, I can and have easily enjoyed a great Japanese match, or series of matches, or even a whole feud storyline between wrestlers, or even an entire wrestler's decades-long career, without speaking Japanese.

wow, what an awesome post

alright, I stayed up way longer than I expected, I'm going to bed. Thanks for all the responses, this was a pretty interesting topic.
 

GavinGT

Banned
Pro wrestling was originally legit wrestling, with legit competitors (called "shooters" or "hookers") who would compete to pin or submit opponents. Sometimes the competitions were two professionals going after it, and sometimes the competitions were challenges where local folk would take on a traveling professional, usually for a cash prize, if the local challenger could best the pro.

Sometimes the matches occurred in theaters and sports venues, or matches were part of a traveling carnival.

As the sport evolved and became more professional, and the pros became more evenly-matched, often the matches would become very technical, and last hours at a time.

Promoters noticed that the sport was kind of boring when matches would last hours, and they certainly wouldn't make as much money putting on one long show, when they could have shorter matches, and have multiple shows a day. So they started putting on "worked" matches, where the outcome was predetermined. These matches were often much more exciting, and the promoters made lots of money, so more and more the "worked" matches became the norm.

Still, even in the modern era -- even as late as the late-70s, many pro wrestling companies kept at least a few legitimate tough guy "shooters" on the payroll, used as enforcers to take care of business in case a pro wrestler who was supposed to lose tried to go against the scripted outcome.

Pro wrestling in Japan as we know it started during the post-war occupation of Japan by US businessmen, originally to entertain the troops. In 1950, a Korean-Japanese sumo named Rikidozan retired from sumo and entered pro wrestling in 1951. He became a superstar and national hero in matches where he defended Japan's honor vs. villainous US wrestlers. Pro wrestling became a huge and profitable form of entertainment in Japan.

Also in the post-war era, a group of promoters for various touring companies in North America (and eventually Japan) got together and formed the National Wrestling Alliance, to form regional borders of influence, called "territories" and to establish national and world champions that would tour around to all the various association's members' companies as a special attraction headline act to increase business.

As the business moved out of the carnivals and old theaters and into this new territorial area of established arenas and venues, the advent of television in the 1950s pushed Pro Wrestling to greater heights of popularity and theatricality. In the US, the regional touring companies that were already established became very centralized around local television stations, leading to the development of even stronger regional "territories" -- regional areas centered around one or more television stations in a touring area, usually controlled by one company. This "territorial system" in the United states would reach its height in the early 1970s, when independent UHF stations materialized, leading to a competitive market for wresting programming.

When cable television came on the scene though, the territorial system collapsed, as now wrestling programming could be nationally broadcast easily. This led to the rise of the WWF (now WWE) becoming the main company in North America. In Japan, wresting continued to flourish under many more promotional banners for a while longer, eventually contracting significantly after the boom and bust period of Japanese MMA.

This reminds me of the story of boxing's humble beginnings:

As conceived in 1632 by Portuguese printing press operator Andre Felipe, boxing was a gentleman's game, in which two men would square off and regale each other with stories monotonous for days on end, until one of them fell to the ground from boredom or exhaustion. Over the next few years the new sport developed a respectable following of a few hundred local socialites.

Ironically, it was Felipe's son, Andre Felipe Felipe, who developed what he called the “Punching” strategy, in 1637, after seeing a schoolboy strike another in anger, causing him to fall down. When Andre Felipe Felipe challenged the then-champion, British expatriate “Sleepless” Bill Bishop, to a match, Bishop was the odds-on favorite. You can imagine his surprise when, while he was describing what he had had for breakfast that morning, Andre walked up and thumped him in the neck, sending him down “for the count,” in the parlance of our time.

While it was universally agreed that the boy had violated the spirit of the game, officials were unable to find any actual rule that “Punching” violated, and were forced to let the victory stand. This upset caused an uproar in the boxing community large enough to spill over into local newspapers, which drew the interest of many outsiders to come see what all the fuss was about. The newcomers were enthralled to engage in these borderline-barbaric displays of human strength and skill, and the rest is history -- after a few spoilsport schoolmarms single-minded about safety added the padded gloves, of course.

Today's boxing enthusiasts fantasize about a newcomer that would rock the ring the way Felipe did. Calcification of the modern rule set has essentially locked the “Punching” strategy into place, but it's easy to get caught up in the fantasy. Young scholars with big dreams often enter the ring with their crazy new trick, usually a variant of hypnosis, and though they've achieved the occasional victory, none of the gimmicks have been robust enough to make it to the big time.

The real wonder, though, is that Andre Felipe's original vision of boxing is still around! Gentleman's Boxing clubs can be found in cities all over the world. You can visit one most any day of the week and see two erudite gentlemen exchanging pleasantries in the ring. Most people only come to watch a few hours of a match and then leave, but every once in a while you'll find amongst your elders a stout fellow, a die-hard fan, who perhaps witnessed that historic battle between Felipe and Bishop, who for love of the sport must stay to witness the last glorious seconds of wakefulness slip away... only to return to fight again another day.
 

DKehoe

Member
wow, what an awesome post

alright, I stayed up way longer than I expected, I'm going to bed. Thanks for all the responses, this was a pretty interesting topic.

Yeh, I was just gonna say that was a great post that manages to sum up a lot in quite a short space.
 
wow, what an awesome post

alright, I stayed up way longer than I expected, I'm going to bed. Thanks for all the responses, this was a pretty interesting topic.

Well, it would have been even more awesome if I had time to get around to Lucha Libre (Mexican Wrestling) and stuff like World of Sport in the UK, but I didn't have time.

The themes around Lucha Libre are really fascinating. Some going back to ancient, pre-Columbian cultural touchstones.

Glad you enjoyed what I did manage to squeeze in though. Thanks.

This reminds me of the story of boxing's humble beginnings:

LOL. The history of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and MMA in brazil is pretty amazing, for real as well. Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer posted a very comprehensive history of it once -- many pages in a .pdf -- and it was riveting stuff.
 
Professional wrestling is made up of prearranged matches, since the outcomes are decided before a match even happens by the writers probably most of the time.

I also think of the performers as basically stuntmen that know how take a fall like Rick Flair for instance,
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The Spoonyone often goes into great detail talking about the innerworkings of the WWE in his videos as well.
 

Corpsepyre

Banned
It's booked entertainment, basically. The outcomes, maneuvers, spots and more are pre-planned. The booker normally handles all that, but the wrestlers themselves, especially in the independent feds, work it out among themselves too. The booker is responsible for the outcomes, storylines and the more important bits though.

Think of it as a movie. The injuries are all mostly real though. Don't get that wrong. They do take punishment.
 
It's booked entertainment, basically. The outcomes, maneuvers, spots and more are pre-planned. The booker normally handles all that, but the wrestlers themselves, especially in the independent feds, work it out among themselves too. The booker is responsible for the outcomes, storylines and the more important bits though.

Think of it as a movie.

You'd actually be surprised how little of it is pre-planned. Usually, the more experienced the wrestlers, the less they work out before a match.

Even in the larger companies, there is usually very little on the script in terms of in-ring events. At the larger shows, the wrestlers then get with someone from the office, usually a veteran wrestler or retired wrestler called an "agent" who may flesh out a few of the big spots, and the finishing sequence. Wrestlers then may go in the ring before the audience is allowed in the venue and briefly work out a few of the trickier sequences, but this must be done quickly, because there may also be audition matches for new talent scheduled, and other wrestlers need to get in there to work out their stuff as well.
 

Krejlooc

Banned
Well, it would have been even more awesome if I had time to get around to Lucha Libre (Mexican Wrestling) and stuff like World of Sport in the UK, but I didn't have time.

The themes around Lucha Libre are really fascinating. Some going back to ancient, pre-Columbian cultural touchstones.

Glad you enjoyed what I did manage to squeeze in though. Thanks.



The history of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and MMA in brazil is pretty amazing too. Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer posted a very comprehensive history of it once -- many pages in a .pdf -- and it was riveting stuff.

please feel free to write more, I'll read it tomorrow if you do.
 

DKehoe

Member
You'd actually be surprised how little of it is pre-planned. Usually, the more experienced the wrestlers, the less they work out before a match.

Guys from the 70s and 80s pride themselves on the fact that a lot of the time they would call the whole thing entirely in the ring and had no plan going in at all. Often this was by necessity because the babyfaces (good guys) and heels (bad guys) would be in separate locker rooms and wouldn't even have the chance to interact until they were in the ring together.
 
Yeah.

Different audiences want different things, so wrestlers also don't want to lock themselves into something. If a crowd react badly to brawling, they may try chain, if they react badly to that, they may try high-flying.

Assuming both wrestlers are capable of course. There have been plenty of wrestlers limited in what they can do, even to this day, but still hired because they were good on the mic or have a certain look that the promoter think will resonate with the fans.
 
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