Because Kaz takes the bag off her head.
Ocelot questions her while her head is covered.
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Because Kaz takes the bag off her head.
Ocelot questions her while her head is covered.
Ocelot must have been practicing his split personalities early. But jesus yeah, did anyone proof this script
Yeah, I just realized this while rewinding and rewatching that part. Ocelot says "Put it back," asking the guard to restore it so the bugs don't spread. I'll strike out my question in the post so people don't start thinking there's something wrong with the scene. It makes sense now.
Actually, it was a false alarm. I edited my post with the following:
Never mind, I'm a dumbass. What I overlooked is Kaz tries questioning her when the bag is no longer on her head. The bag prevents the parasites from spreading in the event she was to answer the questions. Ocelot specifically says "Put it back" and points to the bag, and Kaz is insisting just asking for a name won't hurt. It makes sense now — false alarm.
Not really. It's loosely on her head and any way to take it off would result in potential parasite spread. It would make more sense to question her in the quarantine platform
The cutscene works. The bag is intended to prevent the parasites from spreading during interrogation. Whether it'd actually work, who knows, but at least I know Ocelot was consistent during the whole scene, and the scene works again.
It comes as a relief, since I really like this scene.
of course not, what a thing to say!
Maybe, maybe not. Ocelot seemed confident she could talk safely through the bag.
Maybe Quiet knew better and that's why she didn't give in.
Gotta nitpick each and every little detail bruh.
The scene between her and Code Talker makes it pretty clear that she's infested with the English strain of the vocal chord parasites. If she answered their questions, the parasites would start reproducing inside her and kill her, and turn her into an infection vector for the rest of Mother Base.
I thought I spotted a gaping plot hole in one of my favorite scenes, but I was just looking too hard. See top post for lulz.
Valkyri von Thanatos
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Navajo. The only reason given for her not to speak was that she apparently wanted to keep the weapon as an option for her "revenge", though I don't understand why she'd ever use it, because she couldn't be sure it wouldn't kill her anyways.
When the strain mutates at the quarantine she's worried hers will as well and she runs off to die I guess, but you knoew, she could also just use Codetalker to tell everyone she wants to cut out her vocal cords to save her life and everyone else's. She'd already sworn silence, what's the problem?
That's that plot hole as far as I'm concerned.
She isn't exactly your normal person, all her insides are burned. Not to mention she heals fast.
And she didn't use the strain at MB because she liked/respected Venom, that much was obvious. She also did help those kids so there's that too.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
Okay. What the fuck at Mission 43.
MGS doesn't shy away from contrivance , but this takes it to a whole new level.
I was just sitting there picturing Medic Boss in a baker's hat with a bowl of (ash) cake batter and Rhianna's Diamonds playing in the background to ease the cringe.
MGS doesn't shy away from contrivance , but this takes it to a whole new level.
I was just sitting there picturing Medic Boss in a baker's hat with a bowl of (ash) cake batter and Rhianna's Diamonds playing in the background to ease the cringe.
Good.
I wonder which poster here would be hateful enough to control Mantis, and what they would do with their newfound power.
/deepthoughts
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Ah, you edited out your joke
Too many candidates, Mantis would probably explode.
That scene was completely ruined for me with the Doritos GIF... And now I imagine the Doritos GIF with the Rihanna song playing in the background.
Yeah, I can't take that scene seriously anymore even if I tried.
Poor guy, he's just a kid. Way too young to explode.
Someone should edit the scene where Ocelot pours the water on Quiet and replace the bottle with Mountain DewThat scene was completely ruined for me with the Doritos GIF... And now I imagine the Doritos GIF with the Rihanna song playing in the background.
Yeah, I can't take that scene seriously anymore even if I tried.
Alex_Mexico
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Literally just finished watching the Mission 51 video and I have to come here and voice my: WHAT. THE. FUCK. KONAMI???
Since I barely finished this game a couple days ago I haven't been too much in touch with things involving this game for fear of spoilers so I'll ask you: have we gotten any official answer as to WHY THIS WASNT INCLUDED IN THE GAME?
This isn't a one of those throwaway main Missions that are only there to make the game longer. This gives closure to one glaringly unresolved plot thread from the main game! Not to mention what would've been an amazing final boss fight!
So KONAMI was fine with Kojima spending $80 million dollars on a 200 hour long game with 50 missions and 150 side ops but it was the Mission #51 of all things where they went "ok no, that one gots to go". I can think of a dozen main Missions that could've been cut and no one would miss. Why the last one being this important?
What's the logic behind this? I would understand if they planned this to be DLC. I'd be ticked off if it was paid DLC but I'd understand it and at least get to play it. Now that they released this weird video with 30% done cutscenes and 90% voice acting done the possibilities of getting this later are slim to none.
What happened here, guys?
Since I barely finished this game a couple days ago I haven't been too much in touch with things involving this game for fear of spoilers so I'll ask you: have we gotten any official answer as to WHY THIS WASNT INCLUDED IN THE GAME?
This isn't a one of those throwaway main Missions that are only there to make the game longer. This gives closure to one glaringly unresolved plot thread from the main game! Not to mention what would've been an amazing final boss fight!
So KONAMI was fine with Kojima spending $80 million dollars on a 200 hour long game with 50 missions and 150 side ops but it was the Mission #51 of all things where they went "ok no, that one gots to go". I can think of a dozen main Missions that could've been cut and no one would miss. Why the last one being this important?
What's the logic behind this? I would understand if they planned this to be DLC. I'd be ticked off if it was paid DLC but I'd understand it and at least get to play it. Now that they released this weird video with 30% done cutscenes and 90% voice acting done the possibilities of getting this later are slim to none.
What happened here, guys?
Kojima horribly mismanaged the project.
That's what it comes down to. He couldn't keep it on track, and so we got a disjointed mess sans an ending.
Alex_Mexico
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So we're pinning this on Kojima alone? I'm sure he mismanaged a lot but he still brought a critically acclaimed game that I'm sure will be immensely profitable for KONAMI, delays and all.
This was obviously an upper management decision of cutting that last one. They could've cut 10 Missions if that's what it took to equal the resources and time that Mission 51 would've taken. Why didn't they do that if time and budget was the reason? You'd still have a gargantuan video game there!
Kojima mismanaged but still delivered and made the company money. KONAMI were the assholes here who clearly didn't care enough about their franchise and their long time fans by cutting this particular mission.
Berserker976
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I think it's safe to say they're both somewhat responsible for fucking this game up.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
Wait a fucking minute ...
We don't get to pilot ANY mecha besides D-Washing machine?
Not even Battle Gear???
We don't get to pilot ANY mecha besides D-Washing machine?
Not even Battle Gear???
Pretty much yeah, people should stop acting like kojima wasn't at fault. And plus kojima was the director of the game so if it wasn't complete, and has already missed deadlines, blame him
WrenchNinja
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If he wants to call himself the director, producer and writer and get all of the accolades then surprise surprise, he gets all of the blame too
It's "A Hideo Kojima Game" afterall
I wonder how many people re-did their avys after this one.
ThatArcher
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But then Kaz and Ocelot would be at risk for infection
I assume they'd wear masks
Red Blaster
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this is a completely ridiculous point-of-view to take when we know for a fact that konami upper management meddled with the game's development through their aggressive company "re-organizing" strategy. for fuck's sake, kojima was reportedly incarcerated in his office for the last 6 months or so of development.
Yeah the team was working under pretty fucked up conditions, and they were still able to pour so much love into the game.
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Before release: "It's Hideo Kojima's game you guys! Hashtag #AHideoKojimaGame!"
After release: "S'all Konami's fault".
Zombegoast
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She could have just talk in Navajo seeing Code Talker was in the room with Quiet.
Alex_Mexico
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Yes but it wasn't his own money that made it nor he owns the actual IP. Kojima made it but Konami still had the absolute last word.
Konami is as much to blame as Kojima in getting M51 cut at the very least, if not more.
Avys? What's that?
Also: this.
WrenchNinja
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Oh cool
What was he doing for the rest of the 5 years where he wasn't allegedly imprisoned? Was he mocapping Stefanie Joostens tits? Maybe he was busy with all those ports for last gen?
No you're absolutely right, the director, producer, writer, designer and head of Kojima productions is not at fault at all
Valkyri von Thanatos
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So with the first part, are you saying that she assumed she'd survive because she had made the connection that no lungs = no self harm with activating the strain? Because that is certainly possible, maybe even likely, but it is also very possible she'd have no idea of the dangers, and her leaving Mother Base is partially based on her own uncertainties of the dangers.
I was somewhat pressed for time when I made the post so this was left unclear, but I know why she didn't use the strain. I was just stating that the game's given reason for her keeping the strain close to her chest (sorry) was because she apparently was uncertain if she wanted to use it for revenge.
My focus in my argument, and my point of confusion, is indeed why she wanted "revenge" at all? It seemed she had become pretty good pals with Venom and at least the kids, so I don't get why Codetalker even speculates that she'd want revenge. She was the aggressor back in the hospital, and Ishmael is the one who cripples her, what gives? Why is this even something she's considering, and I was trying to say earlier, even ignoring her good relationship with everyone, why would she be willing to potentially kill herself for some ill explained "urge for revenge"?
Why would she even be considering the option of revenge with a possible chance of suicide, and then, once she learns it can mutate, if she had even said to Codetalker that she would never speak English again, and her apparent chosen option is exile and likely death, why didn't she instead choose Codetalker's original "cure", cutting out the vocal cords? This is what I meant to convey when I mentioned the "real plot hole". Ignoring that she already shows body language and general ability to communicate through gestures (shower scene, when she interrupts Ocelot), why choose exile and likely death, when she can continue to exist as she had already chosen (the life of a mute, except with Codetalker) by removing her vocal cords and gaining people's trust by doing so. This sacrifice would probably exonerate in the eyes of most of Diamond Dogs, and she could live as she already planned to.
Why didn't she just ask Codetalker to tell everyone that she wanted to prove her loyalty to Diamond Dogs and show she wasn't a threat vector for the parasite by opting for the surgery, and living afterwards as she'd already chosen? It doesn't make much sense in my opinion for her to run off to die when this simple, already proposed solution existed in the narrative. It's drastic, but a ton better that death and exile, and as I keep on mentioning I'm this post, she'd already chosen to be mute.
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As for the game's other problems, (unsatisfying Chapter 1 with minimal story except beginning and end exposition dumps, practically hacked together Chapter 2, a bunch of themes and ideas touched on but hardly explored, lack of interesting boss characters, needlessly droll Ocelot and apparently "angry since birth" Eli with no transition to the state we saw him in MGS1, Psycho plot device, Volgin being wasted, etc. etc.), I'd say Kojima on Konami are on an uncertain shared responsibly of either 40% or 60% to the both of them. Clearly budget issues got in the way of Kojima's ideas, but the amount of time for at least the story content we got is ridiculous.
I can't imagine the game would have been what I wanted (at least) given Kojima's own issues beyond budget though. I remember from a Yongyea retrospective leading to release that Kojima had said they'd wrapped up story cutscene motion capturing (not face) sometime in like April 2013, so I can't imagine the story was going to be massively larger if they had everything recorded back then.
Have you seen MGSV and the huge world they created? Compare that to the other games in the series, their worlds are tiny in comparison.
That is what they were working on, and a brand new engine that would also have been used in Silent Hills.
How could she not think of revenge? She was burned to a crisp inside out. All her insides are still burned. She lives on water and breathes through skin.
Seemed she wanted to stay at DD under normal conditions as long as she could. It was clear that Miller was looking for any reason to kill or dispose of her so she kept her mouth shut. She really had no reason to trust anyone, the only one she respected was Venom (and he too said that he would kill her if she messed up again like with that guard she attacked).
Red Blaster
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gee that's weird, i don't see this statement in my post--could you find it for me
thanks
Berserker976
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Actually, when you think about it, even after she activates it she could still just remove them via removing her larynx since they can't spread anywhere else in her body (no lungs).
I don't understand why Code Talker doesn't say anything after their conversation in Navajo either given she's extremely insistent they find and eradicate the third English strain in cassettes.
WrenchNinja
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oh was he using someone else's money And IP? I had no idea. I guess the producer should have been making sure that the team didn't go overbudget and the director and writer should have made sure a key plot line was actually in the game.
It's really too bad the producer, director and writer couldn't do their jobs.
I guess maybe he was too busy shaming the original Rising team publicly
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