Multiple fatalities reported at Umpqua Community College shooting in Oregon

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Man, Obama was PISSED! I'm glad that he's stopped pussyfooting around the real problem and has gone all out in placing the blame solely where it belongs. I didn't get to hear it all though, it got cut off (I don't remember if it was NPR or the BBC that I was listening to, but whichever it was cut it off early).
 
Just below that is a chart that makes me feel like I'm back in the Planned Parenthood nonsense y-axis thread.



More people die from an unpreventable fatal disease so I guess politically speaking there's no point to gun control I guess?

"When cancer is illegal, only criminals get chemo".
 
Just below that is a chart that makes me feel like I'm back in the Planned Parenthood nonsense y-axis thread.



More people die from an unpreventable fatal disease so I guess politically speaking there's no point to gun control I guess?

Yeah, i personally hate those stupid arguments. X amount of people die in car crashes. Y amount of people die from cancer. Yeah, thats right. Thats why we fucking try and invest in ways to prevent those deaths: drug therapy, seatbelt, safety standards, nutrition research, self-driving cars. Why shouldn't we do that for guns too???
 
Just below that is a chart that makes me feel like I'm back in the Planned Parenthood nonsense y-axis thread.



More people die from an unpreventable fatal disease so I guess politically speaking there's no point to gun control I guess?

No, it means the US should ban cancer first and only then look at guns.
 
Just below that is a chart that makes me feel like I'm back in the Planned Parenthood nonsense y-axis thread.



More people die from an unpreventable fatal disease so I guess politically speaking there's no point to gun control I guess?

If all of those cancer patients had been armed. I'm sure all of the paranoid, problem-perpetuating guns nuts are out buying ammo in bulk right now.
 
If he really is from 4chan, I'd say it's virtually guaranteed he lived with his parents. That may answer the question.

That's such a load of nonsense. It could easily just be someone who saw others do the same (since it has happened before) and he wanted to have that same infamy. It's not hard to follow the tropes of 4chan via other sites like reddit and imgur, and as shown time and again 4chan ends up with all kinds of people on their whether truthful or trolling
 
My thoughts go out to the families of all involved. RIP.

I have no idea what the solution is but there needs to be a better support system for people with mental illnesses in the USA.

Then again, no amount of care and precaution will stop some fucked up people. Tragic.

If you make the primary tools they use to carry out those fucked up acts of violence much harder to access and obtain, you can go a long way to stopping lots of these tragedies.
 
Just below that is a chart that makes me feel like I'm back in the Planned Parenthood nonsense y-axis thread.



More people die from an unpreventable fatal disease so I guess politically speaking there's no point to gun control I guess?

That headline...wtf. Someone wrote that and thought it was intelligent and thought provoking. What is happening?
 
The problem is the people who quote Benjamin Franklin thinking they're being patriotic by parroting some centuries old sentiment and applying it to a completely different situation today. This isn't a bumper sticker issue.

"We are collectively responsible for this"... The President is right. We are collectively responsible for our inaction, but the out of control gun violence is a direct consequence of America's Republican problem. Mental illness is actually the root cause, but not specific to the murderers. It's voters who are filling Congress with people who do not know right from wrong and who do not work in the best interests of the people.
 

Gun control after Sandy Hook lost in the Senate something like 57-43.

Yes.

It lost with a majority. Because it wasn't enough to get past a filibuster by Republicans to stop it.

He did after Sandy Hook. This country prefers little kids being killed in mass to enacting gun control.
Yeah, you guys are right. I guess I'm just pissed off that he can't get anything passed because of filibusters and the like. I don't even follow politics anymore because it's too frustrating.
 
I think you may be one of these people actually. You're scrambling to buy more guns because others might as well. Sounds a bit panicked too.

Nah, I just don't want to spend more money and was planning on buying this or next week. Now if people are like, "Obama is gonna take our guns! Arm up!!!" prices sky rocket and my normal purchase becomes a more expensive transaction. Not not gonna spend an extra few bucks when I don't have to right now.
 
Damn that Obama speech. He was like a dad giving his kid a lecture.

I really thought near the start he was going to say "And I am sick of it!"

And that ending. Again, like a disappointed parent speaking to his kids.
 
Nah, I just don't want to spend more money and was planning on buying this or next week. Now if people are like, "Obama is gonna take our guns! Arm up!!!" prices sky rocket and my normal purchase becomes a more expensive transaction. Not not gonna spend an extra few bucks when I don't have to right now.

If it was an already planned purchase that does change things somewhat.
 
I'm not American so I probably shouldn't be commenting about US politics

Gotta say thought: I think guns as power balance between government and people is such a fucking dumb premise, seems like a law conceived in medieval times, a great recipe for disaster.

Everyone in the World knows it's a dumb premise. Hundreds of millions of people who live in Europe and Canada and Australia etc... know it's dumb and watch in horror as these mass shootings keep occuring month after month while the majority of the american population goes into crazy mode " Don't take my guns !! ... Over my dead body!! "

That shit is legit horrifying. It's the dumbest case of american exceptionalism. They somehow know better than everybody in the western world. " Banning guns won't save lives " they say ... There's no data backing this claim but they don't care about that do they ?

Every. Country. In. The. World. that banned guns saw a steep decline of deaths caused by guns. It's so maddening that people refuse that and will be prompt to tell you how " criminals will always find a way to buy guns ". Yes yes yes, it's true. It's already the case in Europe. Gangs always find a way to buy guns but it's SUPER hard for them to do so and they tend to only kill each others. It's really really rare to hear about murders committed by criminals on innocent civilians who had 0 ties to drug cartels. The only deaths caused by deaths are in the hands of fathers who kill their wife/kids then kill themselves because yes guns aren't completely banned in most european countries. You can still get one. It's just really hard. So most who want to shoot themselves use hunting rifles. And a lot of shopkeepers still own guns for protection. Again just look at the data from France, Germany, UK, Australia etc...

At the end I think that people just want to keep their toys. There's nothing more to it than that. Shooting guns is fun. I get it. But no one wants to get rid of their hobby. They can do it the swiss way : you have to keep your guns in a special safe (at the police station for example) and when you want to go hunt or shoot for fun you have to go there and sign a form then take it back when you're done. But I guess it's too much hassle and you can't fulfill those fantasies ... They want to keep their fantasies where they witness a shooting and come a blasing like fucking Rambo, shooting the bad guys and saving the damsel in distress. That fucking hero complex that is and will always remain a stupid fantasy. But they have to be ready because you never know uuuuuuuuuhhhhhhh Tomorrow might be their day !!

RIP to all victims. We weep for you America. Good luck to all trying to change those laws for the better. You have a long road ahead of you. I hope one day you can win this battle. I don't have much hope but you should never give up.
 
Great "I told you so" speech Obama. Good job on making it about guns and not the actual victims or families.

If it weren't for the guns these families would not be grieving tonight. If you want to stop this happening on a weekly basis you need to look seriously at gun control.
 
Everyone in the World knows it's a dumb premise. Hundreds of millions of people who live in Europe and Canada and Australia etc... know it's dumb and watch in horror as these mass shootings keep occuring month after month while the majority of the american population goes into crazy mode " Don't take my guns !! ... Over my dead body!! "

Of course it is. So what if you have a handgun or even an AR-15 or other assault rifle, it's the government, if it wanted to squash the population, the population and it's guns aren't going to stop it. They have tanks, and drones, and fighter jets and any number of other things normal people don't have access to. Let alone the fact that the US government wouldn't do that. The americans that hold on to the second amendment like a security blanket are insane. They have some hero fantasy that they want to stop the big bad government from taking over as if they could ever stand a chance. It is by far the stupidest amendment you have and it's the one that has causes the most deaths among americans.
 
Wow, really? I legitimately did not know this.

Yeah, it happened several times. I remember one time it was a kid from central europe posting a thread to his specific school, it was immediately reported and the kid was arrested the morning after and the school closed just in case.
 
I have been hearing these numbers regularly on NPR every time these incidents capture the mainstream media. It doesnt seem to resonate enough to motivate normal people to change their views.

Sadly you're right. My Facebook feed is already filling up with bullshit from my right wing (soon to be ex) friends.
 
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