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[Infinite Stars]

Just voted on Campus, that was a fun first time. I got bounced around 6 different places due to bad filing on part of stuff and I ended up voting for my home and not my school riding. Due to that, I went NDP as my home riding is NDP. Still want Trudea as Premier though.

 

[Simon Belmont]

Sure there has been. The NDP (3rd place) helped the LPC (2nd place) take power in Ontario in the 80s. The LPC (3rd place) helped the NDP (1st place) keep power in Saskatchewan in the early 2000s. The NDP (3rd place) helped the LPC (1st place) govern in the 60s and 70s federally. Only one of those was an official coalition (Saskatchewan), but accords are very common in our history.

So what you are saying is that there is no precedent for coalitions at the federal level?

 

[Firestorm]

Pretty sure if you asked the country if they would prefer a Liberal-NDP coalition or a Conservative goverment, most would take the former.

 

[Simon Belmont]

Pretty sure if you asked the country if they would prefer a Liberal-NDP coalition or a Conservative goverment, most would take the former.

The country would say a lot of things that the political class wouldn't really get behind.

 

[Annubis]

I just don't think there would be a coalition because of the money game behind politics.

 

[Simon Belmont]

I think you might see coalitions if there were a legit second right of centre party, but I still think we'd be like early Roman emperors and never use the actual word.

 

[firehawk12]

They better. They were the ones who said they were open to a coalition. They have more to gain by supporting a Liberal government than not. If they just stand there and let Harper take the throne while the Liberals say they are open to a coalition, they can burn in hell. I'll never vote for them again.

What if the Liberals don't offer anything to the NDP though? Then again, we already know that because of how screwed up everything is, a party with a minority can govern as if it had a majority anyway.

 

[Simon Belmont]

What if the Liberals don't offer anything to the NDP though? Then again, we already know that because of how screwed up everything is, a party with a minority can govern as if it had a majority anyway.

The Libs had some pretty spineless leadership, too. They let the Conservatives bully them over the price of an election.

Is don't know that the post sponsorship dynamic is the correct reference for minority governments.

 

[mo60]

actually no, I was open to strategic voting to block the Bloc

Jack palyed nice, I let him barrow my vote twice


1 less seat for the NDP gives a chance for the Liberals to have more seats than the NDP. Kick the NDP down to 3rd place

It's not like the Liberals need that seat anyway. You are just wanting the bloc to ruin the chances of a NDP/Liberal agreement to support each other after the election.I also don't trudeau will care if the NDP supports some declaration and 50%+1 once they decide to work together to form government with a non-coalition since those things won't be the deciding factor.

 

[IISANDERII]

strategicvoting.ca

It helps, but it's always good to do a bit more research for your riding.
Just to make double sure.

My riding, I'm voting Liberal as they have the better chance of winning.

Awesome website, heard about it but had no idea it was so well put together

 

[jstripes]

Good Lord, the melodrama in here. What the hell is 'voting responsibly'?

Don't drink and vote?

 

[Walpurgis]

What if the Liberals don't offer anything to the NDP though? Then again, we already know that because of how screwed up everything is, a party with a minority can govern as if it had a majority anyway.

That's definitely a concern. They seem less compromising, especially considering how Trudeau refuses to commit to a coalition if Harper wins, whereas, Mulcair has said, a few times, that he will do what needs to be done to oust that madman.

Considering how both party's platforms are relatively similar, I see no reason why they and the Greens can't work together. There are obviously a few issues that might lead to conflict but on the whole, I think they would compliment each other well.

 

[mo60]

That's definitely a concern. They seem less compromising, especially considering how Trudeau refuses to commit to a coalition if Harper wins, whereas, Mulcair has said, a few times, that he will do what needs to be done to oust that madman.

Considering how both party's platforms are relatively similar, I see no reason why they and the Greens can't work together. There are obviously a few issues that might lead to conflict but on the whole, I think they would compliment each other well.

I hope may works her magic and the conservatives don't get to form government if they win a minority after election day.

 

[Sakura]

I hope may works her magic and the conservatives don't get to form government if they win a minority after election day.

What could May do with one seat...?
And even if there was a coalition, it is unlikely the GG would allow them to form government so soon.

 

[CitizenVectron]

Yeah they'd need to defeat the government first, which might not be until next year.

 

[Silexx]

There could very well be a LIBERAL-NDP coalition, but it won't be with Muclair as party leader.

 

[Mailbox]

Good Lord, the melodrama in here. What the hell is 'voting responsibly'?

Really don't think the future of the country in a broken electoral system can be considered melodrama.

 

[Simon Belmont]

There could very well be a LIBERAL-NDP coalition, but it won't be with Muclair as party leader.

The party who wins the most seats is going to form Government. There's no need for the winner to bother with a coalition, and no avenue for the losers to enforce one.

 

[killer rin]

Really don't think the future of the country in a broken electoral system can be considered melodrama.

We do have to remember, even if Steven Harper wins a minority and the Liberals, NDP and Green don't cooperate to beat him, all three of them are on the record in favour of Electoral Reform. So they can pretty much just tell Harper to screw off, get their committee and then change the system all while Harper is stuck kicking and screaming.

They can still vote down any bill the Conservatives pass, and the parties can still work their platforms to restrict the PM. If Harper is stupid and tries to confidence every bill again, they can then go ahead and come up with a formal 'coalition' with which they could go to the Governor General with.

At this point the Conservatives have gathered too much bad will and if they don't win a Majority, they will just be walked over and ignored come time to vote on bills.

 

[Walpurgis]

What could May do with one seat...?
And even if there was a coalition, it is unlikely the GG would allow them to form government so soon.

Hahaha! You're right, she has one seat but I think she's the most well-liked party leader. Trudeau and Mulcair hate each other, everyone hates Harper and no one wants to be associated with Duceppe. There's no reason to hate May. She is honest, likable and a good speaker. I think she would be a good bridge between the Liberals and NDP in forming a coalition, and she can't really manipulate/scam anyone or play any games with one seat, even if she wanted to.

Yeah they'd need to defeat the government first, which might not be until next year.

Why is that? Are you talking about that scenario where Harper hides in his mansion for a year before re-opening parliament?

We do have to remember, even if Steven Harper wins a minority and the Liberals, NDP and Green don't cooperate to beat him, all three of them are on the record in favour of Electoral Reform. So they can pretty much just tell Harper to screw off, get their committee and then change the system all while Harper is stuck kicking and screaming.

They can still vote down any bill the Conservatives pass, and the parties can still work their platforms to restrict the PM. If Harper is stupid and tries to confidence every bill again, they can then go ahead and come up with a formal 'coalition' with which they could go to the Governor General with.

At this point the Conservatives have gathered too much bad will and if they don't win a Majority, they will just be walked over and ignored come time to vote on bills.

Can opposition parties introduce bills and have parliament vote on it? Or can they only vote on the bills introduced by the ruling party?

 

[Simon Belmont]

Opposition parties have opportunities to introduce bills in any parliament, I believe.

 

[Walpurgis]

Opposition parties have opportunities to introduce bills in any parliament, I believe.

So, if the Conservatives won a minority, the opposition parties can just shoot down all of their bills and act like the Conservatives aren't there, right? This would work as long as the Conservatives didn't tie the bill to a confidence vote or budget or whatever?

 

[killer rin]

Can opposition parties introduce bills and have parliament vote on it? Or can they only vote on the bills introduced by the ruling party?

The short answer is, yes; the opposition can schedule, introduce and vote on bills on Opposition Days. Not sure about every other day, but that's how it works for the opposition parties.

So, if the Conservatives won a minority, the opposition parties can just shoot down all of their bills and act like the Conservatives aren't there, right? This would work as long as the Conservatives didn't tie the bill to a confidence vote or budget or whatever?

Pretty much, and like I said even if they stupidly tied it to a confidence, the Liberals, NDP and Greens would then likely get together and get a coalition or supply and confidence ready before they blow the house open and take over.

So even if it doesn't happen immediately, if there is a threat of the Conservatives trying to force an election before Electoral Reform -because that is the one thing all the parties have been absolute about getting done before the next election- passes, they will likely go that route.

That said, I'm currently looking for a video on how laws are introduced and passed in Canada, mainly because i think it would be a good thing to post here so that everyone can refresh themselves on how things work in a minority

 

[Simon Belmont]

So, if the Conservatives won a minority, the opposition parties can just shoot down all of their bills and act like the Conservatives aren't there, right? This would work as long as the Conservatives didn't tie the bill to a confidence vote or budget or whatever?

In theory. Minority Governments are a game of chicken. I still don't think the Conservatives are going to form government. I think they peaked too early on the niqab issue.

Pretty much, and like I said even if they stupidly tied it to a confidence, the Liberals, NDP and Greens would then likely get together and get a coalition or supply and confidence ready before they blow the house open and take over.

A GG would probably rather trigger a new election than supplant the Government with a coalition. Money can be recouped, but a constitutional crisis could be forever.

 

[RevoDS]

Hahaha! You're right, she has one seat but I think she's the most well-liked party leader. Trudeau and Mulcair hate each other, everyone hates Harper and no one wants to be associated with Duceppe. There's no reason to hate May. She is honest, likable and a good speaker. I think she would be a good bridge between the Liberals and NDP in forming a coalition, and she can't really manipulate/scam anyone or play any games with one seat, even if she wanted to.

Why is that? Are you talking about that scenario where Harper hides in his mansion for a year before re-opening parliament?

Can opposition parties introduce bills and have parliament vote on it? Or can they only vote on the bills introduced by the ruling party?

If I recall, any member of parliament can introduce a bill, but the ruling party gets to decide if it gets voted on (which they sometimes do, but it's not a regular occurence AFAIK)

 

[super6646]

Awesome website, heard about it but had no idea it was so well put together

No way in HELL am I voting green! Can't believe I'm in the only riding in Calgary were green is the best!

 

[Simon Belmont]

If I recall, any member of parliament can introduce a bill, but the ruling party gets to decide if it gets voted on (which they sometimes do, but it's not a regular occurence AFAIK)

I think that's more how it works in a majority situation, but I could very well be wrong on that one.

 

[Darksol]

In two weeks we'll have Harper for several more years.

 

[mo60]

In theory. Minority Governments are a game of chicken. I still don't think the Conservatives are going to form government. I think they peaked too early on the niqab issue.



A GG would probably rather trigger a new election than supplant the Government with a coalition. Money can be recouped, but a constitutional crisis could be forever.

I wouldn't be so sure of that unless the NDP and Liberals get like 75+% of the seats combined in BC while the Liberals beat and maybe even crush the CPC in ontario.

 

[Simon Belmont]

I wouldn't be so sure of that unless the NDP and Liberals get like 70+% of the seats combined in BC while the Liberals beat and maybe even crush the CPC in ontario.

There's still two weeks to go, and I wouldn't put too much stock into regional projections. All anybody really has to go on is how the last election went, and what national polling roughly looks like now.

 

[Beaulieu]

this is pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=314&v=oGiN-_6Qk_E

 

[MMarston]

Vice Q&A with Trudeau

http://en.daily.vice.com/page/vice-meets-justin-trudeau

 

[Annubis]

this is pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=314&v=oGiN-_6Qk_E

And all these people could vote.

 

[sikkinixx]

In two weeks we'll have Harper for several more years.

It's a scary prospect

 

[Azih]

What if the Liberals don't offer anything to the NDP though? Then again, we already know that because of how screwed up everything is, a party with a minority can govern as if it had a majority anyway.

Only if the opposition doesn't show a united front. Which it didn't for Harper's minority as the Liberals were mired in leadership struggles and kept folding to Harper calling their bluff and declaring everything a matter of confidence. Martin's minority for example was not the same at all. The Pearson minority was one of the best damn governments this country has known.

Edit: And the Trudeau-Mulcair hate is incredibly overblown. It's just what you need to do to be successful in a winner take all disproportional campaign... go after the ones you agree with to get over the hump in any given riding. Reform and PCs used to scratch and claw at each other worse than the Libs-NDP do right until they merged. Both JT and TM know that their bases would try to oust them as party leaders if they didn't play nice with each other after the election.

 

[matthewwhatever]

What could May do with one seat...?
And even if there was a coalition, it is unlikely the GG would allow them to form government so soon.

Prediction: I think the Greens will get more than one seat. Not sure where (Victoria, maybe?), but I think they'll pick up a second one somewhere.


And apropos of nothing, I find it kind of hilarious that Mulcair's stage managers put together a press conference that yielded an image like this:

 

[MutFox]

Vice Q&A with Trudeau

http://en.daily.vice.com/page/vice-meets-justin-trudeau

That was pretty good.
Some of those were tough questions.

 

[Mysterious]

Guys... please explain like I'm 5 why Harper is still winning. I haven't read one good thing about him online... seems like a majority hates him.

 

[diaspora]

Guys... please explain like I'm 5 why Harper is still winning. I haven't read one good thing about him online... seems like a majority hates him.

The number of people who don't want him is less than the number of people who don't want Mulcair, and less than the number of people who don't want Trudeau.

 

[Mailbox]

Guys... please explain like I'm 5 why Harper is still winning. I haven't read one good thing about him online... seems like a majority hates him.

I blame the prairies. Though my Provence could be doing a better job

 

[Popstar]

I blame the prairies. Though my Provence could be doing a better job

Damn you prairies!

 

[Buba Big Guns]

Vice Q&A with Trudeau

http://en.daily.vice.com/page/vice-meets-justin-trudeau

That was great. Trudeau has really won me over, dude deserves to represent Canada and be PM. Such a breath of fresh air over the current government.

Guys... please explain like I'm 5 why Harper is still winning. I haven't read one good thing about him online... seems like a majority hates him.

A large majority (~70%) wants him out. The problem is that 70% is split among 3 or 4 parties. Also we have a shitty electoral system. Also saying Harper is winning is a bit premature. GAF is a bit doom and gloom atm, but it's getting apparent that people are becoming more and more informed about the conservatives and I think by election time, word of mouth will do them in.

If I were betting on this election, I'd bet we'll have a new PM come October 20.

 

[opticalmace]

I don't really follow politics at all... is there a website that summarizes each party's general stance on things?

 

[Mailbox]

Damn you prairies!

Onterio isn't the prairies.
And I was talking more about Alberta and Saskatchewan. Last I checked (which was, admittedly, a few days ago) it was slated for those provinces to have 50% of the vote be conservative.

Edit: nanos has the prairies at 46.9% conservative votes

 

[UberTag]

Onterio isn't the prairies.
And I was talking more about Alberta and Saskatchewan. Last I checked (which was, admittedly, a few days ago) it was slated for those provinces to have 50% of the vote be conservative.

Edit: nanos has the prairies at 46.9% conservative votes

That 46.9% of the vote will translate into something like 80-90% of the seats (at least the ones outside major urban centers not named Calgary or Edmonton).

And apropos of nothing, I find it kind of hilarious that Mulcair's stage managers put together a press conference that yielded an image like this:

Everything about this picture is hilarious to me. I can't stop laughing.

Prediction: I think the Greens will get more than one seat. Not sure where (Victoria, maybe?), but I think they'll pick up a second one somewhere.

Most likely candidate for a second Green riding would probably be Esquimalt--Saanich--Sooke.
Victoria has a solid Green base but I don't believe they can overtake the NDP incumbent there barring a major collapse.

 

[GSG Flash]

The number of people who don't want him is less than the number of people who don't want Mulcair, and less than the number of people who don't want Trudeau.

Like I mentioned a few pages ago, that's not how it works.

I strongly believe that the number of people who don't want him back is much much larger than the amount of people who prefer him over Mulcair or Trudeau

 

[UberTag]

I strongly believe that the number of people who don't want him back is much much larger than the amount of people who prefer him over Mulcair or Trudeau

You're correct on that.
Problem is that the Conservative vote is concentrated where it can do the most damage.
Whether the majority want Harper gone is a moot point outside of the battleground ridings.

 

[Azih]

Guys... please explain like I'm 5 why Harper is still winning. I haven't read one good thing about him online... seems like a majority hates him.

The majority of voters is irrelevant in our archaic voting system.

 

[Mailbox]

That 46.9% of the vote will translate into something like 80-90% of the seats (at least the ones outside major urban centers not named Calgary or Edmonton).


Everything about this picture is hilarious to me. I can't stop laughing.


Most likely candidate for a second Green riding would probably be Esquimalt--Saanich--Sooke.
Victoria has a solid Green base but I don't believe they can overtake the NDP incumbent there barring a major collapse.

and that is extra scary, because that would be about 50 seats of the 308.
ie: Why i said that i would "blame the prairies". Something is straight up wrong there.
I was also being a bit facetious

 

[mo60]

Looks like Harper is trying to buy the automobile industry now because they aren't that happy about TPP.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=720738