Brad Muir joins Valve
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misses bull
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What an objective way to look at stuff you don't like
I guess street fighter isn't a game either cause I don't find that fun
Ha!
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And to riff on what Nirolak said, as someone that plays and loves Valve's relevant games nearly every day (CS: GO, Dota 2, TF2), not everyone that shits on Valve is someone that only wants HL3 from them. They're running games-as-services that they make an insane amount of money on and most of the updates they deliver are buggy or mostly consist of community-made content. I'm aware they're small, but it's easy to think, "What the fuck are they doing over there?" without being a trollish drone.
Except it's really not - and that wouldn't make it 'not a game'. Hell, even his definition of all games having to be 'fun' (an entirely subjective idea anyway) is flat out wrong.
Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it no longer gets to be the thing it is.
DOTA2 is a game - a lot of people find it fun. More people than play most other games actually. And it's also a game with a whole team behind it constantly updating, tweaking and balancing it because it's so Goddamn complex. You know, in the only ways that a game can be - by having dozens of built-in rule sets and mechanics.
AcademicSaucer
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DOTA 2 needs al the people they can find
BobTheFork
Member
At Valve? I was under the impression that there isn't much job security because they do things in such a different way that people end of leaving often because they don't mesh well with how Valve works.
Muir can probably pull it off. I wonder if he will be leading any projects there.
spootime
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Icefrog has been running the show for what, a decade now? Hes probably the best multiplayer game designer in the world. And I'm not necessarily agreeing with that poster - Dota is an awesome game and I've been playing consistently since 2007. But I can't see dozens of people working on game design for dota 2. They release roughly one or two heroes per year and I imagine that Icefrog is deciding the vast majority of balance changes.
Theres tons of creative game design types at valve. So what are they working on? It sure as hell isn't counterstrike and TF2
True...they dont even make hats at this point..
Valve barely loses employees with high frequency. There have only been two times where people have left Valve in notable numbers. The first was when Valve had a shake up that was actually spoken of in public by Gabe Newell before it actually happened. The second was when Facebook purchased Oculus and several people left to join
Shuggananas
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Recently ? Source 2, map overhaul, texture upgrades, bug fixing, new heroes, new features (in and out of the core game), UI improvements, hero remodels, etc.
Most of the work on dota is balancing but there's always small things that go unnoticed in comparison because they're not as impactful.
BobTheFork
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I didn't mean mass exodus so much as people not lasting long. I thought I remembered reading about it that they hire talented people who have trouble working in the open-ended environment of Vale and will sometimes leave after a few months because not everyone can work that way. It was one of the articles about why Half Life 3 may not come out because no one gets assigned to it, they choose their own projects.
Brad Muir seems about as flexible as a person as you can get though.
spootime
Member
Maybe I just have a poor grasp of game design? I generally thought that the people working on level design, game design, etc aren't going to be the people working on UI improvements and porting the engine.
There is no way that IceFrog just makes all the decisions without an approval process and people there to vet the ideas. That's not how a company like Valve would do things. I'm sure he has final say, but there's no way he's the sole game designer there.
Interfectum
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I would imagine a lot of their game design talent is messing around with VR projects and L4D3.
exmachina64
Banned
That's a selfish attitude; it's his life.
charlequin
Banned
We are not going to "do anything about" people making (maybe unfunny, but basically harmless) jokes about a slightly exaggerated but generally reasonable inference, no.
Interfectum
Member
True, though beside the Reborn engine hiccups, most of the people actually playing Valve's games don't seem to be that disillusioned. I mean if people were really unhappy then Dota 2 and CS:GO wouldn't be as popular as they are, right?
I'm also under the impression that Dota 2 content updates slowed to a crawl due to getting Source 2 out the door (double the work creating events and content for two engines). I'm guessing we'll see more from them once they actually get the thing in a decent state.
Shuggananas
Banned
Oh yeah my bad, got confused. Yeah, there isn't a need for a lot of game designers I guess, but I'm guessing there's several persons working with icefrog on the matter. Every major update sees one or more heroes reworked somehow, also new features and items, etc.
Yep
From september 2014 :
They were talking about source 2 back then. Obviously it had some delay ("early next year"), but it pretty much took priority over other content
That seems like a reference to two different things. That original group of people that were fired, which Gabe talked about at a business school as something they needed to do 2 weeks before it happened. And then the rumour mongering of "the Know" and their HL3 rumour. That rumour is really amusing when you read the email transcript with Laidlaw that pretty much puts it to bed, yet "the know" put out a follow up video that sidelines much of what he says to support their own narrative.
Ban Puncher
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spootime
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Why do you say that? Valve hired Icefrog with the sole purpose of running their dota team. He's been balancing the game for years with the solicited feedback of professional players. I don't see why you would even need anyone else working on game balance.
Regardless, I just want to know what all the creative types (game and level design) are doing at valve atm. They must be working on something? Probably VR stuff and L4d as an earlier poster said.
I really fucking hope they aren't all working on L4D lol.
Messofanego
Banned
You have proof that he is solely doing just Dota, in a company where few people are only allowed to work on one project?
spootime
Member
lmao.... get real dude. I thought people are "allowed" to work on whatever the hell they want.
Besides, I think the burden of proof is on you to prove that Icefrog IS working on something else, because it makes zero sense.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
I can't wait for the meltdowns that thread will bring.
I'm more excited for the L4D3 thread than I am for L4D3
What? Not even close, but I think you're being delusional on purpose. Poor guy.
What the hell? My point is that no one knows if he works just on Dota or on other things or isn't even working on Dota right now, if he "runs the Dota team" or not, specifically because there is no evidence to go on that any of these are or are not the case. My point stands
Interfectum
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Why would L4D3 bring meltdowns?
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Because it's not HL3 and it's not a straightforward single player game experience
spootime
Member
I would definitely be one of the people crying in that thread, lol.
L4D was definitely a fun game but L4D2 didn't do much for me and I'd much rather they were working on something else
Interfectum
Member
Huh... well I guess we should prepare then because if I had to guess that game is next in line to come out.
ashecitism
Member
we even have a gaffer chime in
@MrMooEar So you're telling me... That we're not gonna get anymore fun, quirky Muir games, and just hats?
:'(
End of an era. Have fun!
@Mr_Centauri I wouldn't say that.!
Yep, same here!
And it will be great. But multiplayer Valve isn't very popular around these parts...
I don't think these are necessarily mutually exclusive. People can be upset about the state of a service, but still like something enough to keep playing it for quite some time.
It will start manifesting in lots of complaining though. For example, the response to Diretide being missing was quite clear even if their community wasn't going to leave because of it. If there had been all sorts of other updates around that time, I don't think we'd have seen anything like that.
If people simply stopped caring, they wouldn't be in the threads in the first place (though this one might be an exception since it involves someone who was working at another studio).
But yes, this is a very easy problem to fix.
Brad was honestly the main reason I care about Double Fine. I feel as if I liked Trenched and Massive Chalice far more than pretty much the rest of the entire Internet. Wasn't even expecting much out of MC but it ate my whole weekend when I got around to it.
As for Valve, well, I'm not a DOTA fan anymore. Maybe he can finally convince someone to let him make his Monster Hunter-like.
As for Valve, well, I'm not a DOTA fan anymore. Maybe he can finally convince someone to let him make his Monster Hunter-like.
Baron_Calamity
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Well .. ya know... Valve time.
John Kowalski
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Bear Force One
Banned
Oh cool. Didn't know he knew how to run a storefront.
alexandros
Banned
Ok, thank you for taking the time to respond to my question.