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Valve is "too white"
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Is this Valves new CEO candidate?Instead of starting with the original video, you lead with Asmongold
Setsuna Mudou
Member
are you sure you meant to type it the way you did? it sounds really bad...
lughnasadh123
Member
If diversity is good, which imo it is, then why is it generally only white dominated industries that it's brought out at? Why not push for diversity everywhere for all groups?
There's a whiff of "more of me, less of you" self-serving mentality going on that's there to help people like that individual, not everyone as a whole.
There's a whiff of "more of me, less of you" self-serving mentality going on that's there to help people like that individual, not everyone as a whole.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Instead of starting with the original video, you lead with Asmongold
God damnit
Originally it was that and peoples complained of giving clicks to DEI OG video. I change and its not ok?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
laughs in Ubisoft
Hrk69
Member
I would straight up buy Neogaf and I'll implement a strict 'no Asmongold' policy
The policy also would mandatory Asmongold handjobs for every cringe take and a free Steam sale voucher for anyone who can make me laugh
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Hrk69
Member
This might be a bit off-topic, but those comments reminded me of the ones under this gem:
SkylineRKR
Member
Lack of Diversity really means nothing more than too many white people, specifically straight white male people. Motown, NBA or any brand that is dominated by black people will never be called out for a lack of diversity. Its really all about this specific group.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
what a weird video. I have heard of racist and neo nazi users on Steam, but to say the company itself is too white? Wasn’t one of the original programmers on Counter Strike, not white, but Vietnamese? Minh Le.
If I was Gabe I’d sue these a-holes for slander.
If I was Gabe I’d sue these a-holes for slander.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
This was SOP for companies from like 1970 through 2010 or so. It doesn’t fly anymore.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Gabe is pale, male and stale.
It’s time for someone fresh to step in and run his company PROPERLY.
It’s time for someone fresh to step in and run his company PROPERLY.
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Valve hired Sweet Baby for projects so...they care about diversity.
Valve is a small company though and I feel this is more trying to revise Valve's position and public perception on things by people who aren't even at valve based on recent reactions. Doubly worse by doing so with some old stuff.
Valve is a small company though and I feel this is more trying to revise Valve's position and public perception on things by people who aren't even at valve based on recent reactions. Doubly worse by doing so with some old stuff.
bundylove
Member
If they are sooooo worri3d about too many whites, maybe go and make games in africa or india or what ever.
Ita the same bullshit where they all hate white people but always immigrate to white countries like europe or north america.
You dont see them bitching about too many asians in china or japan huh??
Ita the same bullshit where they all hate white people but always immigrate to white countries like europe or north america.
You dont see them bitching about too many asians in china or japan huh??
thismeinteil
Member
I love that the people always bitching about this stuff are the pastiest of the whites. It's like hey, how about you lead by example and give your job to a minority. They never will because they don't actually care about this shit and a lot of their own companies have just a few token minorities. It's a grift. You don't hire these DEI consultant groups and they get their buddies on YouTube and in the media to bitch about your company and product. It's basically the mob.
Fortunately, 2024 was the year the majority people started waking up. The bitching and bad reviews have had no effect on the product's success. Hell, I think we're getting to a point that it actually helps the game succeed.
Fortunately, 2024 was the year the majority people started waking up. The bitching and bad reviews have had no effect on the product's success. Hell, I think we're getting to a point that it actually helps the game succeed.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
More often than not they just do it to virtue signal so the cute leftist girl might notice them. Yeah it's sad, but honestly I can't think of amy other explanation for this kind of behavior.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
His eyes are too far apart. Will not give him a click.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
The business oriented brain is obsessed with leveraging market advantage. I don't think that SOP ever goes away.
thismeinteil
Member
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
Id rather have all white capable people than give out jobs for diversity's sake to anyone just to have everyone included regardless of their quality. This goes across all fields and all races. hire talented people, not twitching twitter finger army.
diffusionx
Gold Member
There's a lot to this that goes well beyond a forum post. But look up the McKinsey studies used as justification for DEI initiatives, and these DEI initiatives were coordinated at literally the CEO level. Also too the activists and media noticed that companies were stashing away the minorities in places like HR and secretary work for a long time.
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thekillergreece
Member
I watched the video.
I liked it and found it interesting until the diversity part when I rolled my eyes. It was so unnecessary to talk about.
Valve could have 'diversity' if they met the company's hiring requirements.
Regardless, I wouldn't worry much about it. The video is old and nothing has changed, afaik.
I liked it and found it interesting until the diversity part when I rolled my eyes. It was so unnecessary to talk about.
Valve could have 'diversity' if they met the company's hiring requirements.
Regardless, I wouldn't worry much about it. The video is old and nothing has changed, afaik.
bundylove
Member
Hoho the leftist girls.
Who have more hair on their body than the average guy and have worse bio.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
“If it ain’t white, it ain’t right.”
- Gabe “The Great White Hope” Newell
- Gabe “The Great White Hope” Newell
thismeinteil
Member
What's funny is that regardless of what those women say they want, they'll never hook up with those weak men. Or if they do, it'll only be so they can cuck them.
iHaunter
Member
Never seen something more facepalm in my life.
EDITED - I changed the OP so that the video is not getting needless clicks unless you want to go see by yourself, so to misdirect clicks but still see TLDR, the bald goblin shall serve its purpose :
For those who want to see the original video :
Timestamped original video at the DEI talk because there's too much stupid content
Its so cringe that I would not blame you for not watching 47 mins of that. They basically set arbitrary rules of how many women or peoples of colour should be at Valve.
"Part of making any field more diverse is that you have to start introducing diversity into it"
Why is it a necessity to make any field more diverse?
"There are already more middle-aged white guys in the games industry than any other group of people"
Middle-aged? So Steam either retains employees for a long time, or hires seniors to get shit done.
Could there be a link with white peoples being majority in USA? Or the ratio of peoples finishing universities? Imagine if you have seniors, their college years are over 2 decades behind maybe, when the ratio of white in college enrollment was 70%
How do you even validate having ~15% minorities graduating college, even probably LESS in computer science field as they are dominated by males, to then have 50% or more representation of DEI in a company? The math doesn't check out. It's not organic.
Same for women, I mean the ratio is not in favor of women for computer science. Insert Bill Burr WNBA joke here. Is it also OUR job to convince women to join this field?
Enrollment - Institutional Knowledge Management
ikm.ucf.edu
According to this university, the ratio of male vs female in computer science is 4:1. Which is already surprisingly low, I'm sure there was massive progress for that in the past 20 years for sure.
Absolutely MENTAL to critique for that.
Valves hires on merit
and well
They are more efficient than big tech companies like Apple & Google on revenue per employee
What do those employees even do? They don't really make any games. There's barely any improvement to the steam app at all. So, what do they do all day?
Crayon
Member
StereoVsn
Gold Member
No, you see Asians (especially if from China, Japan, Korea, India, etc) are also of wrong diversity and don’t count.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
This is always the derp comments I'm flabbergasted with. We had Half Life Alyx just in 2020.
Half Life Alyx is a game changer. I don’t care that it’s VR niche, it’s still the benchmark after all those years and one of the most impactful experience I had in gaming for nearly 2 decades.
But you know, we can add Counter-Strike 2 (2023) , new game Deadlock (early access 2023) , constant support for Dota 2/TF2.
They aren’t twiddling their thumbs even if peoples want to meme on Valve, let’s be honest here.
And we all know they are cooking Half Life 3.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
i'm hoping his was just a troll post, shit starts sounding like a nazi rally sometimes which is disturbing to say the leastThere's actually a lot said in these topics that's makes me ehhhh......
Plague Doctor
Member
It is cringe to point out the initial cringe of DEI supporters.
Aren't the people pointing out the DEI hustle AS BAD as the people doing it?
Checkmate fuckers.
For people who want no political bullshit in game you sure are making a lot of noise of people trying to force hiring practices based on politics.
Clearly the true answer is shut up and buy slop from companies that place diversity as the main goal. Voicing anything else is cringe.
Bring money.
Aren't the people pointing out the DEI hustle AS BAD as the people doing it?
Checkmate fuckers.
For people who want no political bullshit in game you sure are making a lot of noise of people trying to force hiring practices based on politics.
Clearly the true answer is shut up and buy slop from companies that place diversity as the main goal. Voicing anything else is cringe.
Bring money.
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Honey Bunny
Member
And they're incredibly successful and competent.
Topher
Identifies as young
Instead of starting with the original video, you lead with Asmongold
OP removed the original video to not give it attention. Asmongold makes good points about it though.
iHaunter
Member
I thought they had more employees than they do. They have less than 350 Employees.
The Janitor
Member
Why didn't they hire a minority to present the findings in this YouTube video?
"diversity crisis"
llien
Member
Glory to DEI!
All will be DEI!
Also, are you telling me that a company with just 79 employees takes a FUCKING 30% cut of the lion's share of PC game sales?
Yeah, 30% is a totally reasonable cut, nothing to be seen here.
I'm so sorry for the possible butthurt caused to pro-steam dumdums.
All will be DEI!
I'm, sorry, but if Gabe's salary is 100 million, average salary per employee will be over 1 million, even if their actual salary is just one dollar.
Also, are you telling me that a company with just 79 employees takes a FUCKING 30% cut of the lion's share of PC game sales?
Yeah, 30% is a totally reasonable cut, nothing to be seen here.
I'm so sorry for the possible butthurt caused to pro-steam dumdums.
Puscifer
Member
I hate shit like this because it actually makes the minorities at Valve look like ACTUAL DEI hires.
Here's the reference for Gman in Alyx from their animator who did such a great job that I thought it was motion captured.
Also this guy was in his 40s when he did this capture, just saying it seems like valve is only picking the cream of the crop regardless of race.
Even their customer service folks aren't any less than 30ish from what I can find
Here's the reference for Gman in Alyx from their animator who did such a great job that I thought it was motion captured.
Also this guy was in his 40s when he did this capture, just saying it seems like valve is only picking the cream of the crop regardless of race.
Even their customer service folks aren't any less than 30ish from what I can find
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RickMasters
Member
Let’s be honest we are probably more interested in playing them than making them.i don’t know a single black personality with a desire to make video games. I’m Saying that as Jamaican. White boys and Japanese know how to make good video games.
I like traditional masculine characters I can identify with in games, though. That’s why I’ll never play TLOU…… I have no desire to play a game where I’m a teenage dyke. That’s also why I’m not interested in anything made by Neil drukman or whatever his name is…… dude has some weird fixation with masculine women…… you know what we call a man like that where I come from? A good damn sissy. That man had Nadine kick the shit of drake and another while grown ass man……. What world does the guy live in?
Dude is a beta male.
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IAmNotFromDelaware
Member
Hire on merit. They're already top revenue per employee and universally loved by most gamers. Why change things just to fit an agenda.
As a non-white person, I cringe over the idea of getting hired because of DEI.
When I get hired, I get hired because of my years of experience and education, not because of pity. F*ck that. How did this even become a thing.
As a non-white person, I cringe over the idea of getting hired because of DEI.
When I get hired, I get hired because of my years of experience and education, not because of pity. F*ck that. How did this even become a thing.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Yup
And it most not feel satisfying to be pushed because of a checklist, over earning a position.
I work with an Asian electrical engineer woman in energy sector and that's like very rare in North America, field is filled with men. But I know her for years and years and she earned a top expert position by working fucking hard.
But things have changed since then.
Now we have junior engineers of DEI hire (clearly) and not even a couple months in they are not even interested in the job they were hired for, they're already looking at promotions or wanting to be a manager or R&D expert of some sort, straight out of school, they don't even understand the product yet, but the offerings for DEI are on the table ready for picks and they know it. I have 20 years experience in the meantime and I would be lucky to even surpass one of those for a promotion. I'm basically their mentor, but merit where I work at is clearly no longer the priority. I think the company is on a path to the ditch.
Varteras
Member
For some reason, I'm getting a bigger chuckle than I should thinking about a company announcing its Ethic Cleansing Initiative to be "more pure".
Just because I know there are people here who don't know what a joke is and like to quickly conclude someone is evil, I'm not suggesting it would be funny to see people die. I'm just laughing at the absurdity of such an announcement.
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