UnforgivenTwin
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Are there any 1TB models that aren't bundled with anything?
PS4 gets a new, lower price starting Friday: $349.99
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Bear Force One
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Do people just purposefully ignore that PS4 has far more exclusives than xbox one, and that gap is growing all the time for a reason?
dragonyeuw
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You keep saying my post is full of misinformation, but the only thing you addressed was a single comment about Sony being slower off the mark in exclusives. The rest of the post, the meat of it, was my opinion on why Sony doesnt need to do too much of a price drop as well as talking about how Sony had to stretch resources between ps3, ps4, and vita while 360 exclusives dried up for the most part. I dont see how thats misinformation.
In terms of hype and interest, what on ps4 compares to Bloodborne? Because if this forum is any indication, people were basing their ps4 purchases on that game. So no, not the first 'high profile' as I incorrectly stated before but as the first 'big' bulletpoint exclusive? What to this point has generated more hype as far as available games go on ps4?
EdReedFan20
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Sort of. Resogun is technically a second party game as Housemarque is not owned by Sony. However, in a recent interview on PS I Love You XOXO, Shuhei Yoshida said they internally consider all games Sony publishes to be first party, even though some are technically second party. This response was spurred by a question by Colin Moriarty where he points out the major published exclusive retail games this year for PS4 have mostly been second party (The Order: 1886 from Ready at Dawn, Bloodborne from From Software, Until Dawn from Supermassive Games, Helldivers from Arrowhead Game Studios, Tearaway: Unfolded from Tarsier Studios, and Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection from Bluepoint Games). The only first party retail games I can think of this year were MLB 15: The Show from San Diego Studio and God of War III Remastered from Santa Monica Studio.
If the competition drops to 299 which I think they will "temporarily" then ps4 will be in a tough position no matter how good the bundles are. Why give the competition any momentum especially when this will probably be their strongest year exclusive wise. Next year rather than dropping to 299 they can ride out this price with all their exclusives and make back any lost money. 349 for this year and next or 299 next year it will all work out for them in the end and even out their profits
GameWhisperer
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LMAo did you ignore all my posts about 2015, how wrong you were in that no big retail exclusives launch before then? It's pointless to talk to you I pointed out the numerous things you said that were totally wrong, and you ignore them. How their first party does not get going until 2016? Again false.
Hype and Interest??? Do you know how well Ps4 is selling? Infamous sold 1 milliojn in a week and had a lot of hype, DC sold 2 million, and on..you don;t know what you are talking about.
Just like x1 has been 50 cheaper all year and winning.....Oh snap.
DriftingSpirit
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Dreadx_Jecht
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GameWhisperer
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Apparently, but then they say it's about big exclusives that sell, meanwhile ps4 has a near 2:1 lead in sales WW lol.
DriftingSpirit
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The PS4 may not be losing money at this new price. They already dropped cost with revisions. If anything, I figured any lost would be negligible.
JohnnyFootball
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Yeah, I thought the Halo MCC would move a lot more units than it actually did.
Halo 5 is going to move units. No question. But how many?
I am sure it is profitable even at the new price. What I mean by losing money is less profit
DriftingSpirit
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Oh, I see what you're saying. I misunderstood.
GameWhisperer
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Making money of the hardware is not really where they make money in this business.....it's the software, subs. Any lower Hardware profits will easily me made up there.
I feel Sony's deals with COD and Star Wars will play a bigger role this Holiday season for the PS4 than the $50 drop (though that's definitely not to say that this price drop won't help in any way).
My point is that the Xbox One was more than likely not going to do that either way -- Sony's deal with COD and Star Wars alone should keep that from happening (unless MS just goes absolutely insane with deals).
I'm not saying that this $50 PS4 price drop is useless or that it won't help. What I'm saying is that I feel it wasn't necessary this year since sales would have been great/amazing with what they already had.
GameWhisperer
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They will be even better now what's the issue? Ps4 has been 399 too long and is not doing that great in the US. It was time for a drop.
I'm not really complaining about a price drop -- especially since I'm planning on getting a PS4 next year. I just said that Sony could have had many people buying $400 PS4s instead of $350 PS4s this Holiday season since their marketing deals alone were going to greatly help sales.
It has been doing fine in the U.S. this year so far. The Holiday season was going to see a great increase in sales either way.
GameWhisperer
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But more will buy it at 350. They could not go into another holiday at 399 especially not knowing what ms might do. You are underestimating the price drop.
For the market leader it could be doing better in the US.
Rhazer Fusion
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It hasn't even been out for 2 years hardly. I thought it was selling quite well in the US. This price seems really soon considering the PS3 is still like near $300 where I live and that console is ancient. I understand it was extremely expensive to produce at first, but this many years later, it should much cheaper. That is why I am wondering why is Sony being so generous all of a sudden. Not to mention it has a game bundled in also.
GameWhisperer
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Huh? This is the longest any ps console has gone without a drop.... it is not doing that hot in the US for the market leader. It us normal to have a drop before 2 years.
Ps3 was too expensive to make. Still is sony is finding it hard to get costs down.
No technically Resogun is 1st party. 2nd party is an unofficial term. Its when a 3rd party dev makes a 1st party game.
You see it's only 2 technical parties. 1st, and 3rd. The distinction is rather if you are talking about a game or developer.
DriftingSpirit
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Hmm, I see what you are saying but I don't know. I think what would have been great sales at $400 and $450 are now going to turn into incredible sales at $350 and $400. I am expecting a really big boost for PS4 over last year.
I think it is also about overall value during the holidays. Sony had the marketing deals but they didn't have the rest of it. Now they have the lower price and retailers will add even more value. Yeah, I see this cut improving sales by a significant margin.
Saying this over and over again won't spontaneously make it right.
Clockwork5
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Why do you have a wii and wii u hooked up?
Deadly Joker
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If I had to guess, GameCube BC?
tattooed_dwarf
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What is the limit of "doing hot"? Different markets have different sales ratios. It's not like every market should have same ratio as in Germany for example. It's still doing great, even if the gap is smaller.
Dash_Riprock
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Indie games don't count for some reason.
demigod
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Oh boy not these posts again. They need a bigger marketshare in order to sell more software than the competition. Do you honestly think the 360's goal was to appease the fanboys?
Ravage_Hydra
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Mom just told me that they run this price drop announcement on the 11pm Spanish news last night
Its gonna be huge Cant wait for the Oct NPD
Giriath_89
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I think the price drop was definitely the right move for Sony. This way if Microsoft drops the XB1 $50, the price difference would have been about the same as last year. Only this time MS have gone crazy with their bundles, focusing more on perceived value than a low entry price. Only their Gears of War and LEGO bundles would cost $299 with a price drop, and those just aren't very appealing bundles.
Meanwhile at $349 the Fallout 4, RotTR, GeoW/Rare/Ori bundles will be up against Star Wars, Uncharted and (maybe, Sony and Activision would be stupid not to) Call of Duty.
For limited editions, MS have decided on the absurd price of $499 for their currently only Halo 5 bundle, so even with a $50 price drop it will be more expensive than Sony's Star Wars and Call of Duty limited edition bundles.
All in all I think Microsoft needs that $50 drop because of their crazy bundles, and even with it I really think they should have a lower cost Halo 5 bundle, because Halo is the only thing they have that can compete with the market appeal of Star Wars and Call of Duty.
And damn Microsoft, why is your standard bundle packaging so damn ugly and uninformative?
Meanwhile at $349 the Fallout 4, RotTR, GeoW/Rare/Ori bundles will be up against Star Wars, Uncharted and (maybe, Sony and Activision would be stupid not to) Call of Duty.
For limited editions, MS have decided on the absurd price of $499 for their currently only Halo 5 bundle, so even with a $50 price drop it will be more expensive than Sony's Star Wars and Call of Duty limited edition bundles.
All in all I think Microsoft needs that $50 drop because of their crazy bundles, and even with it I really think they should have a lower cost Halo 5 bundle, because Halo is the only thing they have that can compete with the market appeal of Star Wars and Call of Duty.
And damn Microsoft, why is your standard bundle packaging so damn ugly and uninformative?
Doctor_Thomas
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Companies compete, obviously, but both Microsoft and Sony (and Nintendo) know that consumer electronics are a risky business and having a sustainable model is more important than being market leader. Sony could drop the PS4 to $99 tomorrow.... they'd be losing a massive amount of money on each unit and software sales aren't guranteed to make that up or even make profit. We're enthusiasts on here. Most people don't buy as many games as people on here do. Being profitable is more important than being the leader.
He's right, but that's because Xbox One is much more stronger in US than at worldwide basis.
7DollarHagane
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I hope they are making millions of that battlefront bundle because people are going to eat that shit up.
This game has mainstream success written all over it. It could probably break 10 million by end of year across all platforms. And ps4 will probably be the lead platform.
It was very smart for them to team up with ea on this one.
This game has mainstream success written all over it. It could probably break 10 million by end of year across all platforms. And ps4 will probably be the lead platform.
It was very smart for them to team up with ea on this one.
Will be a success but no single player campaign is a deal breaker for part of the public.
7DollarHagane
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I don't think the public looks into these things like the people on this forum do.
They are going to see the presentation the huge star wars battles, the word of mouth, and that it's not on ps3/360.
What percentage of cod buyers never touch the campaign? It's pretty high.
I think for the majority of people jumping into next gen this holiday, battlefront is going to be their first game. Star wars is going to be absolutely massive this holiday.
They drop the last of us bundle and the batman bundle and those were not listed
Giriath_89
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It doesn't hurt that the bundle packaging is great. People will see them and buy them on impulse.
Brad Grenz
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It's kinda up to retailers to adjust the price on older bundles.
GameWhisperer
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Fro a market leader it is not, based on historical sales data. Never mentioned a gap.
julzillamilitia
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At this moment in time,
PS4 has an exclusive library that is double the volume, from Bloodborne to rocket league than the Xbone and consistently wins NPD in NA month after month. But there's people above posting as though Sony is struggling? Are these posters mentally challenged or willfully ignorant?
PS4 has an exclusive library that is double the volume, from Bloodborne to rocket league than the Xbone and consistently wins NPD in NA month after month. But there's people above posting as though Sony is struggling? Are these posters mentally challenged or willfully ignorant?
Stealth_Cobra
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I still can't believe the Canadian Prices, I mean it's almost a joke at this point.
Bought my PS4 on launch day at 399.99 Canadian Dollars + Taxes, because that's what it used to cost back then.
Due to the Canadian Dollar rebalancing on game prices and consoles, and after two years and numerous price cuts worldwide, it now sells for 430 Canadian Dollars + Taxes, with is actually more expensive than at launch.
Granted, it's bundled with a game you might or might not care about, but c'mon, it's been like two years. Add the 15`Percent tax into the mix and you got a ridiculously overpriced console. It's one of the rare occurences when early adopters like myself actually paid less for their consoles than late buyers... What a joke, really.
Bought my PS4 on launch day at 399.99 Canadian Dollars + Taxes, because that's what it used to cost back then.
Due to the Canadian Dollar rebalancing on game prices and consoles, and after two years and numerous price cuts worldwide, it now sells for 430 Canadian Dollars + Taxes, with is actually more expensive than at launch.
Granted, it's bundled with a game you might or might not care about, but c'mon, it's been like two years. Add the 15`Percent tax into the mix and you got a ridiculously overpriced console. It's one of the rare occurences when early adopters like myself actually paid less for their consoles than late buyers... What a joke, really.
dragonyeuw
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I don't think that was being argued( by me anyway). I'm just saying that $349 is probably more of a happy medium for Sony than going all the way down to $299, they already have a huge lead and it's going to sell really well this holiday season at $349, especially bundled with something like Battlefront.
SprachBrooks
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First-party insofar as they don't go to a rival platform.
ThomasAnderson
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If you're including all the smaller indie titles, sure. But more isn't better imo and I'm not huge fan of indies.