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[damisa]

At this moment in time,

PS4 has an exclusive library that is double the volume, from Bloodborne to rocket league than the Xbone and consistently wins NPD in NA month after month. But there's people above posting as though Sony is struggling? Are these posters mentally challenged or willfully ignorant?

It was selling worse than the distant 3rd place console (PS3) was this year compared to PS3 in the same timeframe.

There are 2 people in this thread, those with actual sales numbers who realize that PS4 was in need of a price drop, and people like you basing things on pure emotion or on console war crap. Selling better than XB1 doesn't mean your sales are good

 

[Aceofspades]

It was selling worse than the distant 3rd place console (PS3) was this year compared to PS3 in the same timeframe.

There are 2 people in this thread, those with actual sales numbers who realize that PS4 was in need of a price drop, and people like you basing things on pure emotion or on console war crap. Selling better than XB1 doesn't mean your sales are good

Are you saying that PS4 is selling less than PS3 in 2008?! need to see the numbers man

 

[IbukiLordSA]

We have a gaming convention happening here in South Africa and a store is selling the PS4 and X1 for R3999 which is basically $300

Super cheap for us, usually much more.

 

[OléGunner]

We have a gaming convention happening here in South Africa and a store is selling the PS4 and X1 for R3999 which is basically $300

Super cheap for us, usually much more.

Wow that's a great price.

Anecdotally I'm curious to know, how is the PS4 uptake going in SA if you could say?

I know it's always been Playstation land there really since forever.
I recall the head of Ster-Kinekor saying PS4 was selling far far beyond expectations.

 

[RibMan]

Quick thoughts:

1) $50 is a start. $299.99 or less is what Sony will, hopefully, deliver next year.

2) I'm not so sure Microsoft will cut the price again this year. They've now done, what, 3 price cuts? I'd love to be wrong on this.

3) Black Friday sales will be humongous. I can see retailers offering the PS4 at sub-300.

 

[damisa]

Are you saying that PS4 is selling less than PS3 in 2008?! need to see the numbers man

Yes that is what I am saying.
PS3 2008 Jan-Aug 2018500
PS4 2015 Jan-Aug 2005000

PS3 sold more in 5/8 months. PS3 was still 400-500 in price back then which is about 450-550 in today's money

 

[Lexxism]

PS4 launch owners stays winning in Canada.

 

[Dead Prince]

Quick thoughts:

1) $50 is a start. $299.99 or less is what Sony will, hopefully, deliver next year.

2) I'm not so sure Microsoft will cut the price again this year. They've now done, what, 3 price cuts? I'd love to be wrong on this.

3) Black Friday sales will be humongous. I can see retailers offering the PS4 at sub-300.

They won't drop the price unless its a flash deal. Other than that it'll just be like two game bundle at $350 still

EDIT: LOL Holy Mobile non auto-correct mode.

 

[The Jackdog]

gonna be a goooooood holiday season for both ms and sony. really interested to see who takes this one.

I love the competition they are giving eachother.

When they fight we win.

 

[RedAssedApe]

decent deal for those who can't wait til BF if you pick it up at target.

349.99 Bundles + $50 GC. Even more discounts if you have a red card and or one of those other target registry discounts.

 

[hodayathink]

Yes that is what I am saying.
PS3 2008 Jan-Aug 2018500
PS4 2015 Jan-Aug 2005000

PS3 sold more in 5/8 months. PS3 was still 400-500 in price back then which is about 450-550 in today's money

Though, to be fair, They were going to pass the PS3 for the year with or without a price drop over the next few months, as the PS3 didn't have a particularly great Holiday 2008 if I remember correctly.

 

[RedAssedApe]

the ps3 was also still losing them money with every unit sold. so there's that.

 

[ZhugeEX]

Yes that is what I am saying.
PS3 2008 Jan-Aug 2018500
PS4 2015 Jan-Aug 2005000

PS3 sold more in 5/8 months. PS3 was still 400-500 in price back then which is about 450-550 in today's money

Compare years, not months.

 

[4Tran]

gonna be a goooooood holiday season for both ms and sony. really interested to see who takes this one.

I love the competition they are giving eachother.

When they fight we win.

If the primary factor to the price drop was competition, the PS4 should have seen one last year. Chances are that Sony has been conservative with price moves because they feel that they're in a good position. On the other hand, the Xbone's price drops probably were primarily motivated by competition and their own market position.

 

[On Demand]

If you're including all the smaller indie titles, sure. But more isn't better imo and I'm not huge fan of indies.

Not even including indies. PS4 still has more retail titles. Indies just make it even better ( i wouldn't really call indies "small" anymore).

More is better in that you have a larger library to choose from. PS4 also has a JRPG advantage, this month there's 3 being released. They go unnoticed because they're not AAA and won't get big sales but they do add to the library.

 

[Lupercal]

It was selling worse than the distant 3rd place console (PS3) was this year compared to PS3 in the same timeframe.

There are 2 people in this thread, those with actual sales numbers who realize that PS4 was in need of a price drop, and people like you basing things on pure emotion or on console war crap. Selling better than XB1 doesn't mean your sales are good

So the Bone's sales are dreadful then? And Nintendo is facing bankruptcy then ?

 

[reSpec Gaming]

I don't have a problem with paying higher prices because our dollar is lower. I understand the economic reasoning behind it. What I do have a problem with is:

1) Sony not applying this same logic worldwide. If the USD represents the base dollar value, Europeans should be paying substantially less for their purchases since the Euro is worth more. But they aren't, which is bullshit. Also, the Yen-USD conversion as someone posted earlier.

2) People making ridiculous statements like "American's are actually paying more due to the conversion rate". USD has more buying power than the Canadian one. Salaries in both countries are very similar, but the compensation they receive is worth 30% more on a global scale. Unless you do a lot of international purchasing, there's no reason to compare dollar values when evaluating the cost for an item. At the end of the day, for a Canadian, it will set them back $429 for a PS4, while a US resident will only be shelling out $349.

Prices are different in different markets... For everything. Sony went "this is what our marketing and data suggest will sell in *insert country here*" it's not about parity. No products have parity in every market. This isn't exclusive to Sony.

 

[jtkauff]

decent deal for those who can't wait til BF if you pick it up at target.

349.99 Bundles + $50 GC. Even more discounts if you have a red card and or one of those other target registry discounts.

Has Target dropped the price in-store? I've been checking online and it's still showing $399.99 for all three bundles that include the GC. Someone on CAG stated they tried to do a price adjustment and were told they could adjust or keep the GC but not both.

 

[EdReedFan20]

Amazon is selling the TLOU PS4 bundle for $349.99 also.

 

[anexanhume]

Looks like PS4 is responding very well (but not great, I'd say) to drop on amazon. Star Wars bundle up 438%, UC 236%, normal SW 204%, COD 64% up.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/movers-and-shakers/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsms

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Though, to be fair, They were going to pass the PS3 for the year with or without a price drop over the next few months, as the PS3 didn't have a particularly great Holiday 2008 if I remember correctly.

Yep
PS3 sold 378,000 in Nov 2008 and 726,000 in Dec 2008.
PS4 will blow past that just in Nov alone and will easily past PS3 sales if you want to comapre years .

 

[Zophar]

Has Target dropped the price in-store? I've been checking online and it's still showing $399.99 for all three bundles that include the GC. Someone on CAG stated they tried to do a price adjustment and were told they could adjust or keep the GC but not both.

If you can't do both that's a dealbreaker for me. Was planning on jumping in today or tomorrow, but that makes the decision to wait a little longer a lot easier. Might as well hold out for a 1TB model.

 

[Bear Force One]

Looks like PS4 is responding very well (but not great, I'd say) to drop on amazon. Star Wars bundle up 438%, UC 236%, normal SW 204%, COD 64% up.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/movers-and-shakers/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsms

Battlefront is going to the the mover of the Autumn.

 

[androvsky]

Yes that is what I am saying.
PS3 2008 Jan-Aug 2018500
PS4 2015 Jan-Aug 2005000

PS3 sold more in 5/8 months. PS3 was still 400-500 in price back then which is about 450-550 in today's money

I believe that timeframe includes Metal Gear Solid 4 for the PS3, which was a pretty major exclusive. It made for a decent bump for the PS3 as I recall.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/110427/MGS4_Dominates_June_NPD_Drives_PS3_Sales.php

Nintendo DS - 783K (from 452.6K)
Wii - 666.7K (from 675.1K)
PlayStation 3 - 405.5K (from 208.7K)
PSP - 337.4K (from 182.3K)
Xbox 360 - 219.8K (from 186.6K)
PS2 - 188.8K (no May numbers given)

So there's an extra 200k at least right there; I don't think anything has come out for the PS4 in the same time frame that caused a similar hardware bump. Looking at the PS3 outselling the 360 in May also suggests a bit of a lead-up to the MGS4 bump to coincide with the GTAIV release for Playstation GTA fans that hadn't made the jump yet (the 360 apparently didn't get a noticeable sales increase for the GTAIV release).

Now that I look up more info, the PS3 outsold the 360 in May, June, and July; MGS4 was apparently a huge deal for the system, and caused PS3 sales in the timeframe you posted to be uncharacteristic for the system.

 

[anexanhume]

Battlefront is going to the the mover of the Autumn.

That's what I expected. Surprised to see COD bundle not doing more, but then again it was only a $20 drop, right?

 

[Windom Earle]

If you're including all the smaller indie titles, sure. But more isn't better imo and I'm not huge fan of indies.

What does this mean? Indie game is not a genre.

 

[blue_phazon]

What does this mean? Indie game is not a genre.

You could argue that there's some genres not well represented with Indies.

I like shooters and big rpgs, so most Indies don't do much for me cause I'm not into platformers, puzzle games, etc.

 

[Bear Force One]

If you're including all the smaller indie titles, sure. But more isn't better imo and I'm not huge fan of indies.

THIS is exactly what I am talking about. "No exclusives" becomes "none I like"

Add to that all the Japanese exclusives, etc, and you'll see it's not "just indies" Factually PS4 has far more exclusives, and saying less is really kookoo.


Not specifically to the quoted poster:
Really gotta stop saying no or less exclusives if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[Ray Down]

If you're including all the smaller indie titles, sure. But more isn't better imo and I'm not huge fan of indies.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

Quick thoughts:

1) $50 is a start. $299.99 or less is what Sony will, hopefully, deliver next year.

2) I'm not so sure Microsoft will cut the price again this year. They've now done, what, 3 price cuts? I'd love to be wrong on this.

3) Black Friday sales will be humongous. I can see retailers offering the PS4 at sub-300.

They won't drop the price unless its a flash deal. Other than that it'll just be like two game bundle at $350 still

EDIT: LOL Holy Mobile non auto-correct mode.

I love what this is doing to the second hand market. PS4s are already going for 300 with games after doing a little research online. Sony seems to be maintaining consistent numbers going into 2016 and this only pushes more people buy and end up having more consoles on the used market.

Microsoft doesn't have a lot of wiggle room. They already made hefty cuts and I really don't expect them to try and go 299. However, they aren't rolling around. Their first party lineup and BC will bring people in. Tons of Xbones online for cheap used. I'm thinking 2016, it'll be easy to pick one up for 200 bucks.

 

[IbukiLordSA]

Wow that's a great price.

Anecdotally I'm curious to know, how is the PS4 uptake going in SA if you could say?

I know it's always been Playstation land there really since forever.
I recall the head of Ster-Kinekor saying PS4 was selling far far beyond expectations.

As far as I know the PS4 is doing really well here, it helped that the console launched almost a year before the X1 so most people moved over to the PS4. Not many people with X1's here. Wii U is doing even worse, there was a point earlier in the year where a few stores got rid of their Wii U stock, they were going for R999 lol since then it's really hard to find anything Wii U outside of specialized stores.

PS4 games always in the best sellers when they launch so seems to be the console of choice here.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

Do people just purposefully ignore that PS4 has far more exclusives than xbox one, and that gap is growing all the time for a reason?

If it doesn't have guns and/or cars, it is not a game and doesn't count.

If it has both, it counts as 2 games.

If it releases in the fall, it counts as 3 games.

 

[RedAssedApe]

Has Target dropped the price in-store? I've been checking online and it's still showing $399.99 for all three bundles that include the GC. Someone on CAG stated they tried to do a price adjustment and were told they could adjust or keep the GC but not both.

i guess not. i was reading a reddit thread where the person had to price match it but he was able to still get the $50 GC. ironic seeing as how target is the one who leaked the price in the first place.

The bold doesn't really make sense though. 349.99 is the MSRP now. Why would you have to give the GC back. Kind of sounds like he just got one of those CSRs though...you know the kind...do absolutely everything in their power to make sure that a customer doesn't get a deal lol. Price matching just seems to be very much YMMV a lot of times.

 

[RibMan]

They won't drop the price unless its a flash deal. Other than that it'll just be like two game bundle at $350 still

EDIT: LOL Holy Mobile non auto-correct mode.

You're likely right on this.

 

[Elginer]

Anecdotal evidence but we sold through all of our stock of PS4's this morning at my store which sells video games. This seems to have lit a fire under some peoples ass to finally upgrade to next gen.

 

[biggersmaller]

PS4 will be very difficult to beat this Christmas, assuming at-least one retailer will sell it for $299 after Thanksgiving.

Yeah, I thought the Halo MCC would move a lot more units than it actually did.

Halo 5 is going to move units. No question. But how many?

Halo doesn't enjoy the broad casual appeal it once did, unfortunately. In addition, many of the Halo fans already bought an Xbone - so I don't predict it outselling PS4 for any month other than the one it launches in.

 

[Windom Earle]

You could argue that there's some genres not well represented with Indies.

I like shooters and big rpgs, so most Indies don't do much for me cause I'm not into platformers, puzzle games, etc.

That makes more sense, but even then the amount of genres represented in indie titles is pretty vast. The blank statement "I don't like indies" seems very ignorant to me. (Not directed towards you)

 

[Behlel]

If you're including all the smaller indie titles, sure. But more isn't better imo and I'm not huge fan of indies.

Well if you like the score go to metacritic and judge by yourself. The Xbox one is in search for his first 90+ metascore esclusive when ps4 have some over 90 titles.
Ther are more variety and quality and despite what people think there are a lot of indies that deserve more attention then some big retail game.

 

[jtkauff]

If you can't do both that's a dealbreaker for me. Was planning on jumping in today or tomorrow, but that makes the decision to wait a little longer a lot easier. Might as well hold out for a 1TB model.

Just got back from Target (Columbus, OH) - Uncharted bundle rang up at $349.99 with no problem, and it prompted the clerk to get the $50 gift card as well. Most of the pricing at the locked cabinets had been updated to the $349.99 price as well. Didn't need to do anything with overrides or customer service, it was all automatic. Had to ask for the bundle as they hadn't put it out, but the lady looked it up online, got the SKU info, and found it in the back without much issue.

Edit: Website is showing the $349.99 price as well now.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Could have been worse, 350 USD is 457 CAD right now. At least they didn't raise the price in accordance. They're actually making less money from us, while at the same time we're paying more.

I'll echo, "Stupid CAD". Sucks for both sides.

They still pay less than the US

But...That's not how it works. Wages don't fluctuate with currency, so our cost still means a monetary loss of more utility than yours, even if it's less when converted.

Xbox team...The prices during this holiday season may be what makes up my mind.

 

[cakely]

Kudos to Sony for announcing this price drop like, the day before it takes effect.

It seems like common sense, but of course this is how you do it. No sales are lost waiting for an upcoming, announced price drop.

 

[FullMetaltech]

Anecdotal evidence but we sold through all of our stock of PS4's this morning at my store which sells video games. This seems to have lit a fire under some peoples ass to finally upgrade to next gen.

I don't rely on Amazon but seeing that many PS4 bundles in the top 100 probably means the holiday is gonna be a fight for the ages.

 

[googleplex]

If it doesn't have guns and/or cars, it is not a game and doesn't count.

If it has both, it counts as 2 games.

If it releases in the fall, it counts as 3 games.

I'm not sure why, but this has me laughing my ass off.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Looks like PS4 is responding very well (but not great, I'd say) to drop on amazon. Star Wars bundle up 438%, UC 236%, normal SW 204%, COD 64% up.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/movers-and-shakers/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsms

Star Wars bundle now up 500% on Amazon.

 

[MeshuggahMan]

That makes more sense, but even then the amount of genres represented in indie titles is pretty vast. The blank statement "I don't like indies" seems very ignorant to me. (Not directed towards you)

I agree. Sometimes I feel like people are afraid to play "indies" in fear of actually liking them. The more choice the better I say.

Looks like the drop made a lot of my friends finally jump in on ps4. Been waiting a while now.

 

[EdReedFan20]

You can get the Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection PS4 Bundle for $332. http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/10...aign=Blogroll&abthid=56181170801f444c48000008

 

[Empyrean Heaven]

gonna be a goooooood holiday season for both ms and sony. really interested to see who takes this one.

I love the competition they are giving eachother.

When they fight we win.

I prefer "Whoever wins, Wii (U) lose."

 

[Boke1879]

That's what I expected. Surprised to see COD bundle not doing more, but then again it was only a $20 drop, right?

Yea with s Star Wars bundle for $350 it's no doubt that'll be a big seller.

I suspect the COD bundle will sell better when it's out in the wild

 

[Parmadillo Marshmallow]

Anyone know where to get a new PS4 for $349.99 with free shipping and no tax? I live in CA...

 

[Elandyll]

Not sure if Abdiel is reading this thread, but it'd be great to hear about today's PS4 sales with day 1 of the price cut. This being said a review of the week end on Monday might paint a better picture, if he'd be willing to share of course