Vincent Grayson
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Having worked at a Gamestop, I'd say this isn't true. You take a console that's been in a house with a smoker, and man, that shit isn't pretty.
PCs are better than consoles argument tree
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Having worked at a Gamestop, I'd say this isn't true. You take a console that's been in a house with a smoker, and man, that shit isn't pretty.
I think you misinterpreted my argument -- what you are saying, whether true or not, is completely orthogonal to it.
My argument is primarily that gaming on open platforms is better for the long-term health of the medium.
That's a neat interpretation, I'll stick with that!
Is it really that important for people to have a laundry list of reasons why their platform is better to them? There is no objectively better criteria when it comes to taste.
Maybe its because I play on both PC and consoles, but I find stuff like this "argument tree" specious at best. Different platforms are better at certain things than others. All have some sort of competitive advantage, that's simple economics. There is always a reason to prefer a platform, and no one should ever feel bad for how they choose to enjoy their entertainment.
Maybe its because I play on both PC and consoles, but I find stuff like this "argument tree" specious at best. Different platforms are better at certain things than others. All have some sort of competitive advantage, that's simple economics. There is always a reason to prefer a platform, and no one should ever feel bad for how they choose to enjoy their entertainment.
Every argument you post has this console angle to it; it's as hilarious as ever. If you want to argue numbers that is the most egregious way to do it
It isn't important or necessary, yet some people very clearly have their own ego wrapped up in justifying that their platform of choice is the most superior or meaningful, to the point where it hurts them to hear another's opinion, or ends in retorts of misinformation. Such is NeoGaf platform war threads.
I prefer the first page's resounding "cool" you like what you like, and respect another's choice
MrJoobJoob
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PC doesn't have Destiny, Bloodborne, Naughty Dog, or a litany of Japanese devs. That pretty much wraps it up for me. Now if only we could get Meier to release a proper Civ on consoles...
Dreams-Visions
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frequently? man what games are you playing. just seems so rare these days outside of special cases like Arkham Knight.
Exclusive list wars aside (sigh... why does this always happen)
Civ on a dual analog controller?
What you'd end up with is the "My Sims" equivalent to the Sims, and I'd much rather 4X makes games with depth instead.
Jesus Christ, people. It's one thing to paint this argument as having an objective answer. It's another to ignore the more important subjective points that arise from within the proposed argument.
Sure, for multiplats, PC experience is almost always superior to the console counterpart (not counting obvious outliers like Arkham Knight and what-have-you) assuming that the PC is powerful enough to be able to produce such an experience.
The main point that a lot of you miss is the opinions on exclusives. For some, certain exclusives are worth the cost of the console (or PC, even). For others, this is a moot point, but the point isn't invalidated.
I have a Wii U to enjoy the exclusives that I love--the ones I can't get on PC, another console, or any other device. For multiplatforms that are available on... uh multiple systems, I prefer having the PC.
The proper and formal argument would be "Multiplatforms: PC vs consoles".
Sure, for multiplats, PC experience is almost always superior to the console counterpart (not counting obvious outliers like Arkham Knight and what-have-you) assuming that the PC is powerful enough to be able to produce such an experience.
The main point that a lot of you miss is the opinions on exclusives. For some, certain exclusives are worth the cost of the console (or PC, even). For others, this is a moot point, but the point isn't invalidated.
I have a Wii U to enjoy the exclusives that I love--the ones I can't get on PC, another console, or any other device. For multiplatforms that are available on... uh multiple systems, I prefer having the PC.
The proper and formal argument would be "Multiplatforms: PC vs consoles".
Chezzymann
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The most recent one is rocket league, it would go fullscreen, id see a black screen, then it would go back to the desktop. Would never fully start. I couldn't figure out what was causing the problem so I had to end up re downloading it. Then I had terrible lag online despite my internet connection being good (on other computers using the same network the lag wasn't there), and I just stopped playing it all together.
I actually was talking about setting up the PC (which is more time consuming than anything), not the games, lol. Messing around with graphical settings is optional, really, games usually get adjusted automatically.
I'm relatively new to the scene (since 2011), but this has happened like twice to me, with ancient, bad ports (like Onimusha 3 on Steam). Personally, I've yet to encounter these issues recently, I've literally never had to mess around with drivers, and if Steam is offline (which happens to console servers) I can still play my games.
If I got into PC gaming at all it's because it's been a pretty console-like experience for me, to be honest.
MrJoobJoob
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No no, I mean a proper Civ game. As in Civ V with a controller. Just make some of the UI and text larger and I'm sure it's possible.
You've.... played Civ, right?
Dreams-Visions
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Neither do Microsoft or Nintendo consoles. Every platform has exclusives worth talking about. I'm not sure your point is an argument for or against any platform or the health therein.
I don't think you want that.
...Civ Rev?
as seen in this thread, it's console users that get into a prissy fit and bring up non-supported "facts" about pc gaming. Also most people that use the master race shit are joking and somehow console users don't get it so yeah
Graphics settings. Fiddling with settings to maximize graphics and framerate. Fiddling with older games that may not support widescreen or higher resolutions without fan patches or file editing.
Controller setup (for games that don't support controllers natively). Messing with InputMapper or my personal favorite, GlovePIE, to map controls that may not even fit a gamepad.
Little bugs here and there. CSGO was crashing on me every time a new map loaded. I had to change some random variable in a random text file to get it to stop crashing. Never Winter Nights had bugged water unless I rolled back my graphics drivers. Master of Orion 2 was giving me graphical glitches running through DosBox which I never bothered resolving (ran fine on my laptop so I played it there). Random sound bugs in Source games. Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet refusing to let me get past GFWL. Planetside 2 would CTD after its initially load on my older PC.
PC gaming isn't trouble free, but it's also come a long way from the early days before Steam. Particularly the mid 90s and earlier.
OmegaTreeFish
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You can still get an array of issues depending on hardware.
Just a few on my pc:
Steam big picture mode almost always crashes.
Styx frame rate goes to shit after 30-60 mins.
Shadow run dragon fall had a strange lock up issue that would randomly occur
Crashes can also occur on console games but a closed system means its a lot easier to find out if a game has these issues.
As I said, they are easier than ever before but a console having locked hardware creates a more stable environment. Walled gardens are a mixed bag. I prefer android on my phone but at this point in my life I really really can't be bothered with the technical side of PC gaming. I'm sure once my kid is older and I have more time I will love it again.
But that's me. Tons of people out there love games but have no interest in the technical side of it so a console makes perfect sense.
I don't think it's really a hard thing to understand. There are pretty clear advantages and disadvantages to both.
You're missing the point if you think it's about quantity.
I don't give a fuck about the number of exclusives. I give a fuck about which games I want to play, and where I can play them.
I want to play Rock Band 4, Disgaea 5, and Dragon Quest Heroes this month. I can't play any of them on a PC. I'm sure the PC has a bunch more games than that which are PC exclusive, but they aren't the ones I want to play, so why would I care about how many there are?
Dreams-Visions
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well that sucks. i guess i lucked out? my rig was built in 2009 and hasn't been upgraded outside of the GPU (currently a 970), nothing overclocked. I can count on my hand the number of issues I've had with any games outside of attempting to add mods, homebrew software for peripherals (Freetrack head tracking) and post-processing effects (SweetFX). But the list of games I actually play is a fraction of my Steam library, so idk.
of course, the list of games you give a fuck about is a function of what you've been exposed to and played. how many of the PC exclusives have you played? you should give some of them a try. Simply dismissing them as "they aren't the ones I want to play" without even playing them to know one way or the other seems a bit...narrow.
Things like graphical setting, in most games they ask if you want to optimize the game for best performance or for better graphics. Most of the people that actually do fiddle with graphical settings are the ones that actually know what those are.
Little bugs here and there are so random these days you can akin it to Xbox and PS4 bugs that devs have to patch to fix
It's PC gamers who even bring this shit up in the first place. Example #1: The argument tree in the OP. So yeah.
And it doesn't matter if the whole "master race" thing is a joke; it perfectly describes how they act.
I enjoy the ease and comfort of playing games on consoles, even though these past years have introduced some very detrimental habits such as big day 1 patches and subscription fees. Many of my friends who aren't that interested in learning how to build PCs are also on consoles. Even if consoles ceased to exist, I'd doubt they'd migrate to PC. So the choice between the two is excellent. There's no point in fighting over what's ideal since the two are suited after different needs. And for those dedicated, there's really nothing stopping us from getting more than one platform. In fact, I'd say it's a must if you're going to play all the best titles in a reasonable time frame.
PC, due to its open nature, is getting ahead with services and features though. The competition within the platform ecosystem is driving forward innovations whereas on consoles you often see console manufacturers failing to establish proper online systems since there's no competition within the ecosystems. Online services have been a pretty big disappointment on consoles this generation. But that alone doesn't really nullify the need for a console. Atleast not for me.
PC, due to its open nature, is getting ahead with services and features though. The competition within the platform ecosystem is driving forward innovations whereas on consoles you often see console manufacturers failing to establish proper online systems since there's no competition within the ecosystems. Online services have been a pretty big disappointment on consoles this generation. But that alone doesn't really nullify the need for a console. Atleast not for me.
That's when the Steam Controller comes in.
Hatty
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Yes, I too get mad when people express opinions that I don't share
why do people have to talk about what they enjoy it makes me so very angry
Chezzymann
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Yeah, either I'm really unlucky or I'm like Mr. Bean with computers. Its probably the latter lol. Anyways that's why I'm not primarily a PC gamer, although since computers are mandatory these days those issues will continue on for me in other programs. (I'm studying 3D animation and Maya is just terrible with crashing even on the computers at my school that are built for it)
Well, I guess I'm lucky that I avoid problematic games, lol. But yeah, the prospect of such issues being less common is indeed a solid argument in favour of consoles. I myself wouldn't want to mess with those games on my PC. But I'm honest when I say I haven't had to tweak files or driver settings yet. About controllers, I used to play with a Hori PS3 controller and some games indeed were not compatible with it, but since I switched to a Hori 360 controller I have yet to use Xpadder again. It's been pretty painless for me. And I say this as a console gamer, it's not like I've forgotten how it's like to play on dedicated systems
Again, 3DS is actually my favourite system.
Dreams-Visions
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I'm still awaiting proper DNLA support on my One and PS4. I'm very disappointed in how the media features on these platforms have downgraded from one generation to the next rather than improved. Never mind in-game soundtrack replacement. It's a good thing these consoles have exclusives, otherwise
Talking about what you enjoy is fine. Do you really think that's the part that bothers people?
It's being all in-your-face about how much better you think your choices are than other people's that's bullshit.
DrROBschiz
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Open Platforms Contribute to the health of the medium sure. This is clearly being seen across the board with Consoles adopting models that have been done on PC for years (digital distribution, BC, flash sales, DLC, etc..)
That said it Console makers also have just as many contributions under their belt
Chance Hale
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The vast majority of PC gamers also own consoles. You're being hateful towards a phantom group that doesn't really exist. Ie, I do 90% of my gaming on the PC(and why wouldn't I when I can experience 60-120 FPS on modern games instead of 20) but I also have a PS4, Xbox One, and Wii U for the wonderful exclusives they have on offer.
Best versions of multiplatform games, tons of amazing exclusives, and then consoles for all the great games they offer. People just get annoyed when people who only play on consoles and have never owned a PC make up nonsense to support their exclusivity. Ie, the comfy couch argument that has no bearing for many years. There's nothing wrong with only playing on consoles of course, but a lot of people have really odd reasons for doing as such.
As far as I can tell there are no PC gamer hordes in every thread laughing at people who bought the console versions of games. Although in cases like the Evil Within it can lead to a vastly different experience.
I'm still awaiting proper DNLA support on my One and PS4. I'm very disappointed in how the media features on these platforms have downgraded from one generation to the next rather than improved. Never mind in-game soundtrack replacement. It's a good thing these consoles have exclusives, otherwise
Yeah, I just went ahead and bought a Smart TV with proper media playback features instead of patiently awaiting an actual and functional media player for PS4. It's a huge blunder no doubt.
Kwansu Dudes
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I have both. Is that ok? It's also weird cause I hate gaming on a gigantic TV and use a monitor for both instead.
Dreams-Visions
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IIRC, they've demoed the Steam controller with that game specifically. Should work well for those interested.
I can't imagine not having both. Too many exclusives to ignore on all platforms involved unless you simply can't afford it (which is fair).
CambriaRising
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No. Throw one of them away and take up arms, warrior.
DeepEnigma
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This is the only argument about it that needs to happen:
This.
Same! I prefer smaller screens even for consoles. Plus TVs are more likely to have input lag, and that's a huge nope.
Eh for me I just don't have much time to play and I really only play CS:GO these days so it helps only having one platform PC. Plus I'm a broke college student
Chance Hale
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Your computer is going to spontaneously combust? If the PSU fails, you're out 50 dollars. If your video card fails most manufacturers have amazing warranty programs. Every part of a computer can be individually replaced.
NoblesseOblige
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You shouldn't be out either those amounts. If something breaks in your PC then you can almost always replace that one component. So maybe $50-500 depending on the part (the $500 is assuming needing to replace a somewhat hefty video card). You should be able to send in a PS4 to someone to repair for $100.
There is no argument. The math is simple.
I pay $500 for a PS4 and play FARCRY 4. I get 22frames/sec on medium settings
I pay $1500 for a PC and play FARCRY 4. I get 150frames/sec on ULTRA settings.
I pay 3x times the price for 7x the performance on a PC. Whats the argument?
It's the facts.
I pay $500 for a PS4 and play FARCRY 4. I get 22frames/sec on medium settings
I pay $1500 for a PC and play FARCRY 4. I get 150frames/sec on ULTRA settings.
I pay 3x times the price for 7x the performance on a PC. Whats the argument?
It's the facts.
No one is telling you to prefer console exclusives. I couldn't care less what you enjoy, or what any PC "master race" type person enjoys. That's why I would never presume to tell you that consoles are objectively better than PCs.
It's stuff like this argument tree—formed by a PC proponent—that's trying to force the issue out of the realm of subjectivity and into objectivity. Like you, I don't take very well to being told what I should like.
Arguing that exclusives aren't a good argument to use in defense of consoles is nonsense, because it's not about how many there are, but about which specific games there are. It's a perfectly valid defense to use against the "PCs ARE BETTER RAR" BS.
Yeah, I agree it's possible (late turns could be really slow though, people underestimate the CPU load of late-game Civ).
The question is, would it even be worth it?
Firaxis made XCOM work perfectly on consoles (some might even say to the detriment of its PC controls!), and yet the sequel is launching only on PC.
Well, for one, you have a pretty expensive PC.
More importantly, a "PC" as a whole doesn't really break (unless you throw it out of the window). A PSU might, or in rare case a GPU, or a mainboard, or some RAM, or even a CPU. Replacing those individual components is generally cheaper than buying a console.
I'd like to note, independent of any "trees", that there absolutely are a pretty decent number of points -- points which are easy to evaluate objectively -- in which gaming on PC is superior to gaming on consoles. In the other direction, the argument generally boils down to either exclusives (which are subjective), ease of use (which is at least partially subjective), or cost (which is objective in principle, but often does not take into account total cost of ownership, including relative game prices and online fees).
Warranties on PC parts are generally 3-5 years if not lifetime. Part replacement is generally irrelevant.
I've gone into a few broken PS4 threads and seen what a nightmare that must be. I'm surprised that kind of treatment is acceptable in 2015.
Almost every time I see this tired argument crop up, it's been started by someone on the PC side... like this argument tree was. Console people starting flame wars against PC people is a far less common occurrence.
They're both valid means of gaming, but for some reason there seems to be some degree more insecurity on the PC side. It's just silly.
And to your fact I say:
Everyone who plays on console knows PC is better. We don't care.
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