Shadoken
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I think he will be from South Asia , but without any nationality. Like how Bison doesnt have one.
Still the Zen name seems to me like hes will be from Nepal/Tibet region.
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I think he will be from South Asia , but without any nationality. Like how Bison doesnt have one.
Still the Zen name seems to me like hes will be from Nepal/Tibet region.
Shadoken
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Yea this is something even I dont get , if it does end up being sim. I am guessin it is either.
1) To co-incide with an Indian event. ( Kinda like Rashid and Gief)
2) He has been heavily re-designed to the point hes a new character like Nash,Birdie.
I also think Zen won't be from India and that Ken Bogard's guess of "India" will be off just like his guess of "North Africa" for Rashid.
Indonesian would be a great nationality for Zen if only they give him a very brutal, The Raid-inspired moveset. I want a character that breaks people down with tonfas. Necalli already has the "drag people's faces across extremely abrasive surfaces" moves, though.
Shadoken
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The Raid is hella sick , would be awesome if he has a brutal moveset like that.
Bobby Roberts
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Nah, it was just repetition and narrative. It's pretty frequently just that.
I'm brain farting and think I'm accidentally remembering CVS2. Well whatever she's in she's in a lot of games and is pretty recognizable and probably could be considered classic. And despite not bringing anything new I think in terms of the likelihood from what we know Sakura has as much chance as anyone else and MORE chance if that comment about SF2 not necessarily being the game the classic returnee is from.
Equally who is there to say she won't be completely changed in terms of playstyle? We've been throwing around and being fairly sure she's not gonna be in that school uniform anymore, what's to say she hasn't broken away from her old character completely if she's getting redesigned appearance wise? If in fact they change her from her old form and show her growth as a character in her design why wouldn't they also show growth in her character via her fighting style and moveset being different, maybe even dramatically?
If anything I think Sakura, based on that one interview and our own logic, as now a serious contender equal to Guile or Dhalsim.
Urien is not a staple of the series or a mainstay dude.
Who knows why Sim is the last character. It could be to coincide with the Indian event, it could be because he was developed last.
Yea, I agree with Zen being from SEA
Remapped88
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Zen could be somewhere from South East Asia(Pacific islands included) maybe and the name sounds like a name for a monk like character to me.
I still think that they should have gotten Zangief (& Dhalsim if he's in the game) out of the way earlier to maximize the hype. Though I at least hope that Capcom saves Zen for last to salvage some of said hype.
Speaking of which, did Beef get perma-banned? It's been a good long while since his initial banning.
Speaking of which, did Beef get perma-banned? It's been a good long while since his initial banning.
They're both gone for good?
No clue. I was asking about Karst XD
When I played with Combofiend at PAX he told me that after the Mika reveal, there'd be at least one more pure grappler and a "really annoying male zoner".
Gief was obviously who he was referring to as far as the grappler goes, but in my mind Sim was never "really annoying".
I'd be willing to bet that Zen is the zoner of SFV and replaces Dhalsim.
Gief was obviously who he was referring to as far as the grappler goes, but in my mind Sim was never "really annoying".
I'd be willing to bet that Zen is the zoner of SFV and replaces Dhalsim.
sixteen-bit
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or maybe he was just talking about Sim
Would Rashid not count as an annoying zoner between the fireball, V-trigger tornado and other moves? Seems like an irritating hit and run type.
ST Sim will make you want to kill things.
SUPARSTARX
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When is the beta starting?
There is a SEA gaming event coming up: http://gamestart.asia/
Maybe Capcom might announce the new guy there in Singapore?
Are his fireballs even good? They have such a weird trajectory to them, and seem like the are good if you are reading a jump, or use it to speed up his moves.
edit: Mixed this up with the Capcom PT Finals. A new character definitely could be revealed here, I remember they had a stage show/demo for SFV last year.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I can't wait to see Zen announcement trailer because I'm curious with what kind of moveset he would have.
I presume that they probably got a month ban.
I presume that they probably got a month ban.
Was there a big press precense at the Russian Comic-con? Gief's announcement timing came out of nowhere imo (barring the leaks).
Edited my response, I mixed it up with the CPT Asia finals, which are also in Singapore.
I think they'll get the announcements out of the way before CapCup. We'll know the roster in November, and then at Sony's thing in December/CapCup, they'll get to play up the fact that all DLC is earnable in-game when they announce a character or two as DLC launching a month or two after the game drops.
Whoever is announced last won't be the last reveal because this is a game as a service now and there's still tons of stuff to talk about.
Whoever is announced last won't be the last reveal because this is a game as a service now and there's still tons of stuff to talk about.
I think Guile would present more interesting story options, considering his ressurected comrade.
To those asking why I don't include Sakura - she's not a "classic character". She was added in Alpha. Classic Street Fighter = Super street fighter 2 turbo on a good day and on a bad day might only mean SF2 champion edition. That means the 8 world warriors - Ken, Ryu, Chun Li, Guile, Zangeif, Dhalsim, Blanka and E.honda , the 4 champions - Balrog, Vega , Sagat and Bison and in supers case the NEW world warriors - Cammy, Fei Long, Dee Jay and T. Hawk. Even Akuma was only thrown in as a hidden boss in Turbo , never playable.
With SF alpha I feel like capcom kind of wrote SF1 out of cannon. So the alpha cast really, is - Rose , Adon, Birdie as well as guests from Final Fight - Guy and Sodom. Akuma and Dan were hidden characters. Alpha 2 added Gen and Sakura and another final fight guest - Rolento. Alpha 3 added in Rainbow Mika and Karin as well as Cody from final fight. Sure, if you go by the PSP game they added in some more sprites from capcom vs snk 2 like eagle and maki and even Ingrid (bleagh) but that last entry is more of a bonus game.
SF alpha is cool and all (I love me some alpha 2) but it's not "classic" like SF2 was and still is.
Likewise, for all those clamoring for SF3 characters - SF3 was only ever popular towards the end of it's life among the hardcore professionals. It's got a cast of oddball freaks or lame SF2 character clones. The handful of good /popular characters in there have pretty much all been represented in USF4 at this point. Dudley, Makoto, Elena and Ibuki will likely come into SF5 at some point but beyond that ? Yun and Yang probably, Alex, Urien, Sean and Q at best. I don't see Twelve , Necro, Oro or Remy ever getting added.
SF4 newbies are even worse off - El Fuerte, C. Viper, Abel, Rufus are all over the place. Juri and Hakkan are actually both kind of neat (Juri is pretty rad in SF4 in all honesty) and beyond that you've got Gouken (I doubt he'll be back, he was a bonus for longtime SF2 fans) and Oni (even more doubtful, he's a bonus hidden boss).
Final Fight Characters might get the shit end of the stick here too - Guy, Cody, Sodom, Rolento, Hugo, Poison. I know lot's of people want Haggar to show up but he is literally a Zangeif clone. A Haggar costume would work just as well.
With SF alpha I feel like capcom kind of wrote SF1 out of cannon. So the alpha cast really, is - Rose , Adon, Birdie as well as guests from Final Fight - Guy and Sodom. Akuma and Dan were hidden characters. Alpha 2 added Gen and Sakura and another final fight guest - Rolento. Alpha 3 added in Rainbow Mika and Karin as well as Cody from final fight. Sure, if you go by the PSP game they added in some more sprites from capcom vs snk 2 like eagle and maki and even Ingrid (bleagh) but that last entry is more of a bonus game.
SF alpha is cool and all (I love me some alpha 2) but it's not "classic" like SF2 was and still is.
Likewise, for all those clamoring for SF3 characters - SF3 was only ever popular towards the end of it's life among the hardcore professionals. It's got a cast of oddball freaks or lame SF2 character clones. The handful of good /popular characters in there have pretty much all been represented in USF4 at this point. Dudley, Makoto, Elena and Ibuki will likely come into SF5 at some point but beyond that ? Yun and Yang probably, Alex, Urien, Sean and Q at best. I don't see Twelve , Necro, Oro or Remy ever getting added.
SF4 newbies are even worse off - El Fuerte, C. Viper, Abel, Rufus are all over the place. Juri and Hakkan are actually both kind of neat (Juri is pretty rad in SF4 in all honesty) and beyond that you've got Gouken (I doubt he'll be back, he was a bonus for longtime SF2 fans) and Oni (even more doubtful, he's a bonus hidden boss).
Final Fight Characters might get the shit end of the stick here too - Guy, Cody, Sodom, Rolento, Hugo, Poison. I know lot's of people want Haggar to show up but he is literally a Zangeif clone. A Haggar costume would work just as well.
Zangief at least had a following. I find it VERY hard to believe that one of the last two will be Dhalsim. It doesn't make any sense to my brain.
I think it is pretty silly to call characters that originated from Final Fight "guest characters". At this point they have clearly been established as being Street Fighter characters. Moreover, I see no reason why they wouldn't be included; many of them are quite popular, which would imply they are likely to make it sooner rather than later.
I think it is pretty silly to call characters that originated from Final Fight "guest characters". At this point they have clearly been established as being Street Fighter characters. Moreover, I see no reason why they wouldn't be included; many of them are quite popular, which would imply they are likely to make it sooner rather than later.
Vaughngief
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Is it out of the question for Akuma to be the final returning character at launch?
Scrub Mcgrubb
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More likely he'll be a hidden boss that you can unlock as a playable character with fight money
biosnake20
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I'm guessing the final character is a zoning type. There is so much RTSD in this game so there's gotta be some defensive characters. Right now it seems like just Ryu and Rashid can play zoning. So I'm guessing the final character is either gonna be Sagat or Sim. Or Urien
lol
Certainly possible, as he fits the classic description but I think we have the shoto quota for launch
I don't see how this is most likely when nothing suggests something like this is even a thing.
There's just so many issues with him beyond the Ken Bogard stuff.
They've systemically nerfed him in the SF4 series because lower-skill/casual players don't like fighting against him. (For similar reasons as other defensive characters like Honda.) If you put Dhalsim in the game, you're almost certainly going to have to make him bad in competitive play again because...
He's a zoner, but he's a runaway character, not a projectile-based character, and that presents issues in a game that's actively trying to give players tools to deal with projectiles and punish opponents who are full-screen- these tools don't really interact with the game that Dhalsim plays where he's throwing limbs full screen, because they don't get you in on him. (Focus attack dash forward on the other hand....) The tools in the game that we're seeing are far more appropriate for dealing with a character spamming fireballs full screen than they are a character throwing normals full screen and teleporting in midair.
So if you want him in, he's going to need a huge rework in order to make it into the game n a state where he's actually playable in competitive play. And if you make severe changes- isn't it just better to just make a new stretchy character who fits more cleanly into the style of play SFV is promoting?
And of course, he's got the design issues pointed out in the Pete Holmes sketch. They've replaced the stereotypical Native American character. They've replaced the crazy jungle monster. Are they really going to keep the Yoga-practicing Witch Doctor straight out of Temple of Doom?
Scrub Mcgrubb
Member
It's more likely Akuma is a hidden boss or DLC than he is the last returning character
... remember he and Gouken were surprise hidden bosses in SF4 at launch
Well, there is a historical precedent for Akuma being an unlockable character. What would that look like in Capcom's new business model? Probably a day one DLC character...
Don't get me wrong, you are correct that this is all, one hundred percent, conjecture. However, it isn't illogical.
Personally, I also think there is a good chance of it.
Well, assumptions are sorta the name of the game. No one here really knows anything. We are presenting our best arguments. The most outlandish of them could end up being true, while the most conservative guesses may end up being completely wrong. The only thing that we REALLY have solid information on is that Zen will probably be the name of the last new character. Everything else is conjecture.
That doesn't sound correct at all...
The Lone Dragon
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I don't know...I feel like the tamer reveals like Vega and Gief were never really hyped up too much by Capcom before hand. They just sorta randomly dropped in the middle of the week with little fanfare. Much of the world didn't even know about that Russian event until it happened.
Meanwhile, characters like Karin, Rashid, Laura, and Necalli all had a lot of build up and were revealed at huge, well known events.
I think Capcom is aware of what would be "hype" and what wouldn't, and they've generally tried to temper expectations accordingly.
If they actually do end with Dhalsim, it's because they have a bigger, more exciting reveal planned afterwards. But, then again, it could be Guile, who is just as classic and expected as Dhalsim (and, also relevant to Charlie/Chun).
Ever since watching The Raid and especially The Raid 2 (and having a stepdad from Indonesian descent, though he has a blackbelt in Karate oddly enough), I've thought that SF should have an Indonesian Pencak Silat character. A character like Mad Dog / Prakoso, as played by the phenomenal Yayan Ruhian would be fantastic in my book.
Edit: here's a pic of the phenomenal Ruhian:
What other (South/Southeast) Asian countries and fighing styles and character inspirations can we come up with that might suit Zen, assuming he's not Indian?
Indonesia/Malaysia - Pencak Silat - Yayan Ruhian (or Iko Uwais, the main guy from The Raid)
Singapore - ? - ?
Phillipines - ? - Manny Pacquiao (if they're going with an Asian boxer)
Vietnam - ? - ?
Nepal/Tibet - Shaolin Kungfu? - pick any monk from other fighting games, or perhaps a pupil of Retsu?
Etc.
After Japan, Thailand, China, Hong Kong and India it seems high time we'd get some other Asian martial arts and nationalities in SF.
Right, but to say something so specific with nothing suggesting it is the most likely scenario is assuming way to much.
Oh, yeah, I think that is reasonable. Sorry, I lost the plot a little (I often do). I do think it is likely, however, by my own admission that is based off of nothing but precedent, so I wouldn't go as far as to say it is the most likely scenario.
On that note, I think, logically, the most likely scenario is that the returning character will be from Street Fighter 2. That being said, I firmly believe that the returning character will NOT be from SF2 (mainly because I think the wording was too deliberate and awkward).
You should embrace a little of the madness, Lulubop. It is fun!