JediLink
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Having a trademark annoying asshole character that no one likes is not something I'd consider "important".
Street Fighter V Roster Discussion |Thread 2| Deal with it & place your hope for DLC
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Stone Ocean
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Are we putting zoners on the same level as characters like Fuerte now
Are we really gonna do that
Are we really gonna do that
I like him. I like what he brings to the games. I like that his inclusion means adjusting other characters, and Dhalsim, for the tools he brings. It adds diversity to the roster, it adds a different style of gameplay to the game, and that is nothing but good. Diversity in gameplay is one of the most important things in a fighter.
And this is coming from a person that would never actually use Dhalsim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rk3gadREbk
claw combo video i found from srk, pretty cool
the last combo is only possible because of unlimited bar though
claw combo video i found from srk, pretty cool
the last combo is only possible because of unlimited bar though
Breh, looking at the USF4 cast, Sim is the like bottom 5 least asshole characters in the game.
ãInaba Residentã
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Adding diversity to the roster gameplay wise is pretty important.
Yep. I appreciated a good Sim.
Pretty much. I don't understand where the sudden idea that Dhalsim was so annoying when you had...pretty much anyone else who could be way more annoying to go up against. Dhalsim is far far FAR down on my USF4 list of characters I hated to fight.
skLaFarebear
Member
I like Sim's playstyle, and a good Sim always gave me and my Makoto a lot of problems in 4, but I just dislike his design.
Same, that shit is hard. Same with a good gief. Ultimate spacing and footsie characters. Seems like people appreciate that less and less. Makes me wonder why KoF isn't more popular since that seems to be the pace most people want with less zoning, less "projectile spam" and super mobility and in-your-face gameplay 95% of the time.
direct_quote
Member
El Fuerte.
It doesn't have Ken
Oh, right. Forgot. My bad.
There was a sudden moment of brilliance when I realized for the first time I could fuck up a Dhalsim through the limb. It was like some whole new world opened up to me.
JokerAceX
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Because the casual fighting gamer, or beginner doesn't have the execution to play KoF at even the basic level, so instead they jump on SF with it's somewhat lenient controls and just cry about a certain play-style or archetype.
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It's nice to see that Capcom is catering to Street Fighter 3 fans. It is unfortunate that SFIV fans are being ignored though, maybe DLC.
KidA Seven
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No, it's more that SF is vastly more popular.
DryEyeRelief
Member
Kof isn't popular because their characters look like 3s characters.
Stallion Dan
Member
Haha, brilliant.
Hehehe.
Someone who can't deal with "projectile spam" in SF will give up on KoF the moment he encounter a good Athena, King, Saiki or Ash! I actually saw that happen:
Fights Guile
- I hate this projectile spam shit, lets play a real fighter like KoF
Fights an Athena, Leona, King team... Never get past Athena.
- ... Fuck this broken ass shit!
Maybe you or someone else can answer me this riddle: why oh why is Capcom taking away these tools that make a character fun, especially if it doesn't necessarily lead to better balance? Are they simply not aware of this effect? Are they for some reason still opposed to balancing things by giving every character powerful tools instead of taking things away from those that stand out too much? I though they'd left that behind in IV, going by the interviews back then.
I'm really struggling to understand the thinking that goes into this balancing process (all the way back to 3rd Strike and the nerfs to Sean for instance) and how Capcom can justify such changes. Surely they must know what they're doing by now, especially considering that people like you almost instantly can tell if a character's tools and moves are still viable/fun or not?
They're not taking away "fun" tools(in Cammy's case at least), they're taking away tools that make the characters more one dimensional. You mostly hit confirm with lows in SFIV because it's easier, safer and lead to comparable combos, you can also set up throws, maintain pressure, set up frame traps with lows. This this give medium attacks less purpose at the range where lows can hit.
Now that damage from lows is much lower, you'd try to hit confirm with medium attacks if you want the damage and use lows to maintain pressure, set up a throw, etc... By taking a tool, your opening the way for others to shine.
Your question is way too general though, Capcom doesn't have a hard written method they go through while buffing/nerfing characters, it's better to look at each case separately. Still, taking one character's fun could bring fun back to the game, see Yun's AE > 2012 nerf.
you mean lightsThey're not taking away "fun" tools(in Cammy's case at least), they're taking away tools that make the characters more one dimensional. You mostly hit confirm with lows in SFIV because it's easier, safer and lead to comparable combos, you can also set up throws, maintain pressure, set up frame traps with lows. This this give medium attacks less purpose at the range where lows can hit.
Now that damage from lows is much lower, you'd try to hit confirm with medium attacks if you want the damage and use lows to maintain pressure, set up a throw, etc... By taking a tool, your opening the way for others to shine.
Your question is way too general though, Capcom doesn't have a hard written method they go through while buffing/nerfing characters, it's better to look at each case separately. Still, taking one character's fun could bring fun back to the game, see Yun's AE > 2012 nerf.
SFIV doesn't have scaling as the bar goes down? The scaling comes from combo hits. The more hits you combo, the less damage the last hits will make. But a non combo hit does the same damage full life bar and 20% life bar.
Filter is correct. It's a very slight damage buff that everyone gets when they hit like 30-40% life. Like 120 damage goes down to 115.
I think I remember having similar types of scaling in training mode in the previous beta. Can't be too sure though since it was a month or two ago.
Fernando Fernandez
Member
Ono pls. Need another hint/announcement or even just a date when an announcement will happen. This hype train needs refuelling.
beyond_death
Member
Im going to chime in on the Sim love. Hes a character that I dont play but I looooove watching a good Sim player.
They're not taking away "fun" tools(in Cammy's case at least), they're taking away tools that make the characters more one dimensional. You mostly hit confirm with lows in SFIV because it's easier, safer and lead to comparable combos, you can also set up throws, maintain pressure, set up frame traps with lows. This this give medium attacks less purpose at the range where lows can hit.
Now that damage from lows is much lower, you'd try to hit confirm with medium attacks if you want the damage and use lows to maintain pressure, set up a throw, etc... By taking a tool, your opening the way for others to shine.
Your question is way too general though, Capcom doesn't have a hard written method they go through while buffing/nerfing characters, it's better to look at each case separately. Still, taking one character's fun could bring fun back to the game, see Yun's AE > 2012 nerf.
Thanks for clarifying. I assume you disagree with Max then, about the taking away the "fun" part (from Cammy in this case)?
I was mostly using his terminology because he played the game extensively and I haven't at all yet (and because I like his videos of course). Still, I now get that there are multiple views on this, one being what you're saying about making characters less one-dimensional.
And yeah, I realized I was asking a very general question that would probably require a book that looks at all fighting game balancing in order to answer it fully, but I still felt it worth it to ask anyway.
Same. Sim sounds best as DLC for that reason. Most people want him in for variety, but don't actually want to use him. The roster's too small for that.
Same here. It's good to hear that kind of stuff from time to time
As a Sim player it's true that I would buy him day one, with real money. But I think Gouki or Sagat or Sak would sell tons more.
Hours Left
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I found Sagat's new look for SFV.
Holy Order Sol
Member
alternatively, Kyo's j. 2C is a corner infinite
I found Sagat's new look for SFV.
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Marvel
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Huge balls.I found Sagat's new look for SFV.
Geminosity
Member
For the sake of reference lifebar damage scaling like this is usually called a 'guts' system. My first encounter with it was way back in Guilty Gear XX :3
Stone Ocean
Member
Not only it is hard to deal with, Athena's voice makes sure you are not going to have a good time
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sixteen-bit
Member
I found Sagat's new look for SFV.
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