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[maquiladora]

Anyone else think that the very first frame of the trailer where you see specks of lights shining through the cover than Rey pushes off looks a lot like a starfield? Could see that being a cool transition from one scene to another.

 

[TerryLee81]

Ok this was fucking awesome.

 

[Tabris]

That's pretty interesting, actually.

Now that the EU is flushed, there's a lot of presumptions we might have about the SW story that are no longer true.

Like I always unconsciously assumed that between Empire and Jedi that Luke, Leia and Lando had all these meaningless adventures together... because they did. Shadows of the fucking Empire, etc.

But now it kind of looks like Luke starts going Lone Monk after Hoth, as you say.... interesting...

Yeah, without all those filler EU stories. The timeline is essentially:

Luke disappears after Battle of Hoth.
He shows up with Millennium Falcon meeting the Rebel Alliance flagship.
Gets a new hand.
Leaves for Tatooine to save Han.
Saves Han.
Disappears again.
Shows up on the Rebel Alliance flagship.
Volunteers for a mission.
Leaves the mission half way through and doesn't participate on anything with the rebels.
Shows up after the Death Star has been destroyed.

And then based on what we've seen of Episode VII

...Disappears from the Rebel Alliance somewhere.

Nobody except Han, and Leia have any idea he is a Jedi. He basically disappears from the Rebel Alliance after Hoth, so he is only remembered as a hero on the first Death Star battle and none of that battle had anything that would show him to be anything except an amazing pilot.

 

[A Serious Man]

The hero worshipping of Vader seems like a confused plot point considering his character arc. Even if the new Sith guy is deluded or missing the point, Vader's arc was so black and white that the idea we suddenly have to take his evilness seriously again just seems contrived with a hint of pandering.

I hope they handle that aspect well and don't retcon him.

The odds that Kylo Ren knows Vader redeemed himself at the very end are incredibly slim. It's clear that the events of the OT have passed into legend and that the details are muddied. Something that happened between three people (only one of whom survived) in the middle of a gigantic clusterfuck of chaos probably isn't common knowledge and if it is, could easily be brushed off as rumor.

 

[chicko1983]

Just got home and it was the first thing I did.

ARRRrgggghhhhh, what a trailer!!!!!

My favourite part:

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Ridley - "There were stories about what happened"
Han - "Its true...all of it"

just seeing Harrison Ford back as han had me fist pumping.

I love how Ridley kept her English accent too. So hot.

 

[Dead Man]

I do think it looks great, but honestly it doesn't look very Star Wars-y. That's something I've felt from the first teaser - the shot framing and movement is not at all reminiscent of previous Star Wars films. Same with the editing. Star Wars has very distinct shot composition, movement, and editing, to the point where it's easily recognizable, and this film doesn't have it.

That said, in the grand scheme of things it's not the worst thing and most people will never, ever notice, but I am a little sad at the loss of some aspects of the franchise's unique visual signature.

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That said other aspects are far more true to the originals than the prequels ever were, like lighting and colors, so it balances out.

Can people label whether they are using spoiler tags for story spoilers, or asides like this?

 

[Randam]

I assume that Kylo is Luke's son. Gotta make something dumb, you know.

Oh man, that would be so bad.

 

[BocoDragon]

it does feel like a line that's directed at the audience.

Certainly many of the lines in these trailers have been re-contextualized from how they will be used in the film, to speak directly to the audience.

"We're home", is another. It means Star Wars is home, back to the place it was in at its peak.

I honestly have a bad feeling they're gone.

Will be interesting to see if they are.

I would think they know better.. but who knows.

I don't expect them in the spin-off films... but yes I think they'd be intrinsic to the core stories....

 

[McNum]

Well that was awesome. Awesome enough that it made me buy a ticket almost two months in advance.

The Star Wars hype is real, at least.

 

[neorej]

My GF isn't all that into Star Wars, she's seen the movies, she knows the canon / lore, she knows the difference between a Wookiee, Ewok and Jawa. Shown her the trailer, she looks up, grabs my shirt, gets in my face and says "please tell me we're seeing this!"

I smile content and say I already got tickets.





Long story short, best sex ever.

 

[Tabris]

Nobody in the Imperials knew he was a Jedi either except the Emperor (dead), Anakin (dead), and Emperor's Guards (dead).

So his story is most likely not at all in the history books past the battle of Hoth (and that would be a footnote - the main note would only be about Battle of Yavin) and is a legend.

 

[Chichikov]

The hero worshipping of Vader seems like a confused plot point considering his character arc. Even if the new Sith guy is deluded or missing the point, Vader's arc was so black and white that the idea we suddenly have to take his evilness seriously again just seems contrived with a hint of pandering.

I hope they handle that aspect well and don't retcon him.

Vader was always about pandering, ever since The Empire Strike Back.
He was popular with the audience so they made him more important to the universe than he had any right to be.
And mind you, and and by itself it's not a terrible thing, giving the audience what they want is generally good, especially in a film like Star Wars (though I don't really like where they took his character, even in the original trilogy).

 

[hooijdonk17]

Of all things they could do, I can't believe they actually went ahead with

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the idea of another star killing super weapon the size of a planet and.. another goddamn trench run.. Seriously?

Also, I can't believe they killed off Chewie.. The bandolier in the scene Rey is crying is unmissable and the Leia/Han/Finn surrendering scene lacks Chewie..

I really want to love this movie but it just.. I don't know

I really think I will end up wishing they filmed Heir to the Empire instead.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

for naboo yes because it was supposed to be a backwater planet but why for coruscant, isn't that still the capital?

This is true. That said, based off of what little we know of the story, I don't see a return trip making too much sense at this point. Honestly though I think it would be best if they stuck to new locations as much as possible, rather than doing the rounds across all the old planets like so many older EU entries did. We already saw a shit ton of Coruscant, we really don't need to see more of it at this point, and locations like Hoth and Endor would be just as forced as Naboo or another trip to Tatooine. Happily, this seems to be the case.

I would like to see a Luke chillin' on Dagobah though. That would be cool.

 

[Dead Man]

Vader was always about pandering, ever since The Empire Strike Back.
He was popular with the audience so they made him more important to the universe than he had any right to be.
And mind you, and and by itself it's not a terrible thing, giving the audience what they want is generally good, especially in a film like Star Wars (though I don't really like where they took his character, even in the original trilogy).

What sort of rights to popularity and screen time does any fictional character have? I can understand the position that a character has more popularity than they have a right too (almost), but more important than they have a right too? No character has any right to anything except what the writers give them.

 

[Nodnol]

Ok, I posted a couple of pages back, but I've watched it a dozen or so times since.

- I think Rey will be our Luke. She's the first person we see in the full trailer. She's central on the poster. As much as the PT was Anakin's story, the OT Luke's...this ones her's. Like Anakin and Luke, I can see her struggling to find her place in the universe, unsure what's she's meant to be doing. I think this film will set her on the path, and like Anakin and Luke, I think she will have both sides of the force speaking to her.

- Finn will be number two, by her side. The two of them have had the most exposure, and whilst Issac has been heavily billed, I just don't know if he will be as integral to this story. Given his billing, I wouldn't be surprised if VIII and IX feature him more heavily.

- The lack of conviction when Finn is facing Kylo, the fear...I'm not convinced he's our Jedi...but I think they want us to think he is. I think he's the type that's found a family in our heroes, and wants to protect them. My guess is he picks the lightsaber up out of instinct, and not because he knows what he's doing.

- Speaking of lightsaber, we've seen it being given to Rey...another reason why I think Finn is a case of misdirection. The way the second teaser was shot and paced, I think there's a link between Luke and Rey. Daughter maybe, or maybe niece.

- I loved the shot of Poe and Finn crossing paths, if only because it looked like a real set! PT would have had the entire thing green screen.

- I really want to know more about the Knights of Ren...but I'm curious as to who will provide the insight. It wasn't until ESB that Yoda and Obi-Wan would help sculpt Luke's knowledge in the ways of the force, so I'm wondering if we won't get too much information into that. Maybe there's a hell of a lot not shown (obviously), but to me it seems this film will be the old cast passing the baton, and the new cast being assembled and inserted into the world.

- Where's Luke? One of the most iconic surnames in cinematic history, and he's not on the poster, or in any of the trailers. We know he's in the film, but apart from what seems to be his hand, nothing else. Someone said earlier in the thread, but I can imagine Han is our Obi-Wan, and Luke will be the Yoda. Even if they save him for the very last shot, just please give us a chance to see fully trained badass Luke, at least before he goes all force ghost on us.

- Rey's tears...that body. I want to say it's Solo, but the hair is wrong. It's a quick cut, and I haven't paused it yet, but I seem to make out an ear, so I don't think it's Chewwie. I'm expecting all of the old cast to "pass the baton" over the course of the next three films. Anyone know how many films they each signed on for?

- The score....just, sweet Jesus that hits you. The most powerful part of the trailer.

It's amazing how a trailer can show so little about the story, and yet hit all the right notes. I never normally do midnight showings, but I may just try it this time.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

Can people label whether they are using spoiler tags for story spoilers, or asides like this?

lol, as far as this topic I actually agree, but I figured it was clear enough in this case that it was an aside. Sorry haha

 

[Markitron]

This is true. That said, based off of what little we know of the story, I don't see a return trip making too much sense at this point. Honestly though I think it would be best if they stuck to new locations as much as possible, rather than doing the rounds across all the old planets like so many older EU entries did. We already saw a shit ton of Coruscant, we really don't need to see more of it at this point, and locations like Hoth and Endor would be just as forced as Naboo or another trip to Tatooine. Happily, this seems to be the case.

I would like to see a Luke chillin' on Dagobah though. That would be cool.

They are going to have to visit Coruscant at some point in the new movies. It was the capitol of the Republic and later the Empire, it's too important to be ignored. Also we really only spent significant time in the upper/richer parts of the city. There is so much more to explore.

 

[BocoDragon]

This is true. That said, based off of what little we know of the story, I don't see a return trip making too much sense at this point. Honestly though I think it would be best if they stuck to new locations as much as possible, rather than doing the rounds across all the old planets like so many older EU entries did. We already saw a shit ton of Coruscant, we really don't need to see more of it at this point, and locations like Hoth and Endor would be just as forced as Naboo or another trip to Tatooine. Happily, this seems to be the case.

I would like to see a Luke chillin' on Dagobah though. That would be cool.

I feel like I don't want to go back to Coruscant at all for a long time....

...but if it appeared as a surprise in the last movie of the new trilogy, against the backdrop of a very changed galactic civilization, that might be interesting.

They are going to have to visit Coruscant at some point in the new movies. It was the capitol of the Republic and later the Empire, it's too important to be ignored. Also we really only spent significant time in the upper/richer parts of the city. There is so much more to explore.

You say that, but the entire OT never needed to go to the home of the Empire at all. We stayed in the backwaters of Imperial rule, never needing to worry about the throne of power.

And in keeping with how much they are keeping to the template of the OT, I wouldn't be surprised if they keep to that rule. They'll certainly want to avoid "senate/jedi council" style scenes. That's one element they will consciously stay away from, I'm sure.

 

[Dead Man]

lol, as far as this topic I actually agree, but I figured it was clear enough in this case that it was an aside. Sorry haha

All good. Not labelling asides is really the smaller issue. It only impacts wether the spoiler phobic will read your aside. But then if somebody thinks it's an aside and reads a spoiler, they may be a bit... cranky

 

[Kenzodielocke]

I haven't read any spoilers or any stuff from star wars, so that is not really a spoiler.

Is it possible, that there are two Kylo Ren's ?

 

[Nakkilokki]

Any place to download in best quality?

 

[Ushojax]

I haven't read any spoilers or any stuff from star wars, so that is not really a spoiler.

Is it possible, that there are two Kylo Ren's ?

No, Kylo is one of the Knights of Ren, you can see him with the rest of the group in the trailer.

 

[co1onel]

We'll have to agree to disagree, Ford is acting the same way he did in the last Indie movie. Good movies have dialogue that's real and organic feeling, helps you believe what is happening to the characters. And for number 3, do you think Star Treks action had emotional weight?

Most movies have unrealistic dialogue. They are an exaggerations of realistic dialogue, so that viewers can more easily understand, interpret, and relate to the emotions being conveyed. The way people convey their thoughts on a whim in an actual conversation is nothing like how people talk in TV shows and movies. Body language is far more exaggerated in movies too, especially when the character does little talking.

 

[Mr. RHC]

So, this is from a guy who isn't really a fan of Star Wars, only watched
Ep. IV and V (will watch VI before this), but likes the score (John
Williams, duh), art style and design of this world and characters.

I liked the first scene, very cool. But in general, I thought the
trailer was weaker than the trailer before. The other trailers felt like
Star Wars, this too, but lesser. It felt more like a generic Hollywood
trailer.

But when the score kicked in at the end, I too got goosebumps. Looking
forward to it.

Pretty much this. Still an alright trailer.

I would totally be fine if this movie was 2 hours of Rey crawling down dungeons and shit.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

Anyone know how many films they each signed on for?

I don't think contract details are known, but we do know Mark Hamill is in Episode VIII. That said, this is Star Wars so he could very easily be dead, so that means nothing in terms of story haha.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

I haven't read any spoilers or any stuff from star wars, so that is not really a spoiler.

Is it possible, that there are two Kylo Ren's ?

Ren's not a name, it's a title. The group of people that look to similar to Kylo are the other Knights of Ren.

 

[Fix The Scientist]

There's some "speculation" going on here from people that have clearly read a lot of the leaked plot details.

 

[Screaming Meat]

The hero worshipping of Vader seems like a confused plot point considering his character arc. Even if the new Sith guy is deluded or missing the point, Vader's arc was so black and white that the idea we suddenly have to take his evilness seriously again just seems contrived with a hint of pandering.

I hope they handle that aspect well and don't retcon him.

It seems like the events of the OT aren't exactly believed. They've become mythic, they've passed into history as legend (hence Han's response). Jedi aren't even a certainty. So, it doesn't seem all that contrived (in fact, I'd say it stands to reason) that someone would follow an erroneous interpretation of one of those "myths".

 

[Tabris]

My theory is either or both Chewie and Han die in this movie.

Luke comes in at the end. That'll be the big cliffhanger that sets up Episode VIII.

 

[kiri]

Star Wars as a series is ok for me...but that trailer was....ok for me?

It didn't blow me away, I mean, it was a trailer - is there something I'm not seeing that is making other people lose their minds??

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Ren's not a name, it's a title. The group of people that look to similar to Kylo are the other Knights of Ren.

Oh thanks, the little I know about Star Wars ^^

 

[Ushojax]

Star Wars as a series is ok for me...but that trailer was....ok for me?

It didn't blow me away, I mean, it was a trailer - is there something I'm not seeing that is making other people lose their minds??

It's Star Wars.

 

[TheBlueBomber]

Star Wars as a series is ok for me...but that trailer was....ok for me?

It didn't blow me away, I mean, it was a trailer - is there something I'm not seeing that is making other people lose their minds??

Probably this, the series isn't just okay for me, this is one of my favorite series, so this new movie is something i've been wanting forever, that's why I'm so excited over it

 

[Dreams-Visions]

is there something I'm not seeing that is making other people lose their minds??

no? if nothing you've ever seen from star wars was more than "ok", then this trailer would only be "ok" as expected.

what would make you think that something that you've never evaluated as more than "ok" would suddenly grab you like it grabbed everyone else that really enjoyed the OT, for whom Star Wars is a beloved franchise?

 

[WadiumArcadium]

There's some "speculation" going on here from people that have clearly read a lot of the leaked plot details.

The Knights of Ren stuff is information JJ's spoken about directly. Just to be clear. Posting spoilers in here without warning would be pretty thoughtless.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Star Wars as a series is ok for me...but that trailer was....ok for me?

It didn't blow me away, I mean, it was a trailer - is there something I'm not seeing that is making other people lose their minds??

People just losing their minds over nothing because of nostalgia. Hell, there's paragraph length analysis of how that guy with the lightsaber face reaction was soooo perfect.

A face reacting, think about that.

 

[BocoDragon]

Star Wars as a series is ok for me...but that trailer was....ok for me?

It didn't blow me away, I mean, it was a trailer - is there something I'm not seeing that is making other people lose their minds??

Of course people are bringing a lot of themselves and their history with Star Wars into this.

I had a deep emotional experience with this trailer. But when my gf who has never seen SW chose to watch it on her own accord, I certainly wasn't standing there going "ISNT IT AMAZING??? DONT YOU SEE IT??"

It's a good trailer. But considering how some of us feel about Star Wars, it transcends logic. It's totally okay not to get the euphoria... that comes from years and decades of feelings that are being hooked into.

 

[kiri]

Y'all have a point....the shots were handled well, music good - I will go and watch this.

I don't know, maybe I was expecting something...more?

I felt a bit like this with the Crystal Skull trailer and I'm a huge Indy fan.

 

[Spikematic]

Am I the only one who is happy they didn't show Luke at all? It's nice to have a trailer that doesn't reveal every little thing. Going into a movie with some level of mystery is always fun. I know there's been some leaks out there, but I've managed to avoid them so far. Would be cool if they all turn out to be one big misdirection from JJ. He's into that kind of stuff isn't he?

The trailer itself was amazing. Gorgeous visuals and perfect music. December is going to be the best month for movies in a long time between this, The Revenant and The Hateful Eight.

 

[Chichikov]

What sort of rights to popularity and screen time does any fictional character have? I can understand the position that a character has more popularity than they have a right too (almost), but more important than they have a right too? No character has any right to anything except what the writers give them.

Sorry, I wasn't clear, I meant more important than his role in the first Star Wars implied he should be.
Like, he was the underboss, the muscle, evil black space nazi shock trooper.
He was not meant to be that central to the plot, and AFAIK, he was not planned on being Luke's father (OMG SPOILERZZZZ), it was his popularity of the character that pushed him into a more central role to the story in Empire and Return of The Jedi, and that trend was pushed into ridiculous levels with the prequels.

And again, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with that (though I would probably prefer if they kept him as an asshole space nazi, but whatever), I'm just saying that putting Vader in places where it doesn't necessarily makes strict sense due to his popularity (AKA pandering) has always been a part of the Star Wars franchise.

 

[TheBlueBomber]

Am I the only one who is happy they didn't show Luke at all? It's nice to have a trailer that doesn't reveal every little thing. Going into a movie with some level of mystery is always fun. I know there's been some leaks out there, but I've managed to avoid them so far. Would be cool if they all turn out to be one big misdirection from JJ. He's into that kind of stuff isn't he?

The trailer itself was amazing. Gorgeous visuals and perfect music. December is going to be the best month for movies in a long time between this, The Revenant and The Hateful Eight.

I'm glad they haven't shown him yet, it's gonna be all the more exciting to see him in the full movie

 

[Forkball]

Episode VII plot: Luke 2, Han 2, and Leia 2 fight Darth Vader 2 to stop Death Star 3.

 

[liquidtmd]

Episode VII plot: Luke 2, Han 2, and Leia 2 fight Darth Vader 2 to stop Death Star 3.

Charlton Athletic: Nil

 

[Tabris]

Episode VII plot: Luke 2, Han 2, and Leia 2 fight Darth Vader 2 to stop Death Star 3.

Please. Just the fact that Rey may be the main character absolutely separates it from the old series. Then you have Finn that gives you the perspective of a character who was a Stormtrooper with the Imperials to become a rebel. That's unique.

 

[BocoDragon]

Episode VII plot: Luke 2, Han 2, and Leia 2 fight Darth Vader 2 to stop Death Star 3.

Haha I think it's true... and yet, it's so necessary right now to "right" Star Wars.

I am totally fucking fine with a smart retread right now.

It's almost like a design project to model what was so good about the original series, in order to gain the creative skills that will allow them to forge a new direction in the sequels that will contain the appealing spirit of the OT that was completely lost in the PT.

 

[jelly]

Is Poe getting tortured by Ren or even manipulated to do something bad?

Thought Ren sounded really cheesy with the helmet scene.

Rest looks great. Chewie better not kick the bucket, how they get Mayhew to still play him, it must be close ups only surely.

 

[mrklaw]

Permanent goosebumps.

Giving a feeling that the empire is on the up again, and that the OT is fading from memory a little ('those stories'), or perhaps the rebellion never got much traction after Jedi.

Sounds fantastic. Assuming Han's OMG face is from seeing Luke - has to be

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Is Poe getting tortured by Rey or even manipulated to do something bad?

Thought Rey sounded really cheesy with the helmet scene.

Rest looks great. Chewie better not kick the bucket, how they get Matthews to still play him, it must be close ups only surely.

I think you've got Rey and Ren mixed up.

And yeah, Mayhew did scenes sitting down.

 

[Porcile]

Fair enough about the Vader thing. I know in the lore it might make some sense, but from an audience perspective I find it a bit jarring. I hope they handle it well.