He's in the trailer. He places his hand on R2. He's not the antagonist.
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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Final Trailer
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He's in the trailer. He places his hand on R2. He's not the antagonist.
I'm completely devastated at the lack of Nien Nunb. He helps blow up Death Star 2: Electric Boogaloo, then gets immediately forgotten. The man is a hero! He helped saved the galaxy! And I think we all know he's the one who really piloted the Millennium Falcon out of the Death Star. Lando was probably smashed on Colt 45s. I demand to be given a new in-canon novel to write about cults springing up to worship him.
IAmRandom31
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I don't think Finn is a Jedi if you ask me. I really think Rey is the actual Jedi while Finn just stumbles onto the Lightsaber and starts using it / practicing with it. Perhaps it is a curveball to draw the focus away from the future of the series. Perhaps they are both force sensative, easily could be.
I mean its obvious Rey is the Luke of the story considering she is on the desert planet in the middle of nowhere, daydreaming about taking off into space ships and going on adventures, gets hit with tragedy that will force her in the direction of taking on her Destiny.
The real question for me is, who is she? Is she Luke or Leia's child? Han's daughter? Where is Luke? What has the Empire been up to since the destruction of the 2nd Death Star. Because I mean, even with their ultimate weapon gone they still had the most powerful military in the Galaxy. They lost a Super Star Destroyer in the Endor battle too but I doubt it was their entire fleet in that battle. No doubt the Rebels grew stronger after that battle and more systems joined in, but was it enough?
Why are the Jedi only talked about in stories again in this era? Did Luke go into hiding and the public isn't aware of his exploits?
So many questions. Only 2 months to go until the answers. THIS IS GOING TO BE SO GOOD!
I mean its obvious Rey is the Luke of the story considering she is on the desert planet in the middle of nowhere, daydreaming about taking off into space ships and going on adventures, gets hit with tragedy that will force her in the direction of taking on her Destiny.
The real question for me is, who is she? Is she Luke or Leia's child? Han's daughter? Where is Luke? What has the Empire been up to since the destruction of the 2nd Death Star. Because I mean, even with their ultimate weapon gone they still had the most powerful military in the Galaxy. They lost a Super Star Destroyer in the Endor battle too but I doubt it was their entire fleet in that battle. No doubt the Rebels grew stronger after that battle and more systems joined in, but was it enough?
Why are the Jedi only talked about in stories again in this era? Did Luke go into hiding and the public isn't aware of his exploits?
So many questions. Only 2 months to go until the answers. THIS IS GOING TO BE SO GOOD!
One of the few things in the trailer I actually don't like.
rokkerkory
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He will join the dark side and complete the task his father started
kaiju
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Nope. You can see Kylo Ren without his helmet fighting Finn at the end. Clearly not Luke!
Hopefully he shows up with Lando in the one after this
I really don't think it's that hard to believe. The galaxy is a big place and it doesn't really seem like they have any galaxy-wide News Networks that broadcast Jedi-activities. So most people probably heard very little or nothing about Luke's or Vader's force-powers. And anyone who was alive during the prequels is dead. So maybe you have some old folks talking about the force and jedis and sith, but it would obviously seem like myth to most common people.
I reccomend.
The Clone Wars (series)
Rebels (series)
Journey to the Force Awakens: Shattered Empire (4 issues of comics)
Aftermath (novel)
Darth Vader (Comics. this one references the clone wars series a lot so be wary)
I think that maybe they want us to believe it's the case by not showing him in the trailer but they could be throwing some misdirection so it could go either way.
Not helped by the fact how prequels make the galaxy seem tiny because it's always the same people and same planets who are important, everyone's related and everyone knew everyone as kids. Of course Vader built C3PO, of course.
Way to ruin your own galaxy.
kaiju
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Love this shot.
As jaded as I was after the prequels, I say fuck it, I want to be excited again. I am excited again.
Am I the only one who'd love to see a race between the Falcon and the Enterprise?
Huh, I didn't even notice he wasn't wearing a helmet at the end of the trailer and I've watched so many times now.
Every single Wookie that fought with Yoda knew he was a Jedi. Chewbacca knew about Jedis if this shit is canon.
Propaganda isn't that good, it's not so good as to erase memories.
OriginofHysteria
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I hate that storyline so much. Who thought that was a great idea
Why do people think that the Empire wiped the memory of the Jedi from existence? Nobody in the OT goes around saying "the Jedi never existed, they're a legend!" They say that the Jedi are dead and that their belief in the Force is a hokey ancient religion. The vast majority of people never met a Jedi, so there's no more reason for them to believe that the Force is real than for you to believe that David Blaine can actually levitate or whatever.
Now we are thirty years beyond that point with a character who is a loner on an Outer Rim desert planet and a guy who says in the trailer that he was raised to be a Stormtrooper. Neither of whom obviously would have a proper education about the past. We don't even know how Finn feels about the Force, although if he's on the same side initially as Kylo Ren then he may not be skeptical. But why would Rey think that rumors of amazing acts were anything other than legendary?
People are really twisting "the Jed were rare and not many people believe in their abilities" into "EVERYONE FORGOT THE JEDI EXISTED".
Now we are thirty years beyond that point with a character who is a loner on an Outer Rim desert planet and a guy who says in the trailer that he was raised to be a Stormtrooper. Neither of whom obviously would have a proper education about the past. We don't even know how Finn feels about the Force, although if he's on the same side initially as Kylo Ren then he may not be skeptical. But why would Rey think that rumors of amazing acts were anything other than legendary?
People are really twisting "the Jed were rare and not many people believe in their abilities" into "EVERYONE FORGOT THE JEDI EXISTED".
Vestal
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Millenium Falcon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enterprise.
wat
BFIB
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Thank the maker!
kaiju
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CD'S BAR
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Don't forget it also returns to Dagobah and Yoda. ROTJ doesn't get its own flavor until the final third of the movie, death star attack aside (which get's excused because it's even better than the one in ANH).
why wouldn't a little child slave build a protocol droid to help his slave mother with etiquette and protocol?
brandonh83
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I believe it safe to assume that while Adam Driver, a completely different human being than Mark Hamill, who has already been seen in official materials without the mask revealing that he is indeed Kylo Ren, the face behind the mask, that Abrams could be pulling a long con by having the film end with Adam Driver not only removing his mask revealing Adam Driver, but continuing to remove his face, revealing Mark Hamill and that the Adam Driver face, a trick that Abrams learned during his time on Mission: Impossible, was fake.
Genocide works.
But like I said, based on the PT, Palps had a profound effect on the force, so its not a stretch to believe he was able to "poison the well" of sorts.
A storyline so bad people manage to erase it from their memories
I wish I could do that, too.Where did Chewbacca ever indicate that he doesn't believe in the Jedi? Han saying "You said it Chewie. Boy, where did you dig up that old fossil?" to Luke?
And I'm aware that Peter Mayhew's line of dialogue that got dubbed over by the growl was "That old man's mad" but being that it's not the line in the movie it doesn't count. I never took the scene to mean Chewie thinks the Force isn't real but that he thinks Obi-Wan is crazy.
You have it all wrong. There are two Kylo Rens, one will be Adam Driver who is a wannabe poser who saw the real Kylo Ren and was like 'I wanna be that cool', the second will be Mark Hamill who is the actual Kylo Ren.
BattleMonkey
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Thats EU stuff that pushed that the Jedi and it's existence was purged by the Empire
BenjaminBirdie
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Here's why it really hits me emotionally:
1) Han Solo as a believer. His whole attitude in the trailer is so broke down and devastated. It's absolutely heartbreaking.
2) Finn's look of terror facing down Kylo Ren. This, to me, is the keystone of what makes Star Wars, pretty much any great adventure, so resonant. One charac, facing down their biggest fear manifest, and continuing to stand and face it.
That shit, man. It completely wrecks me. We can do it, as a people and a species. It just straight up gives me hope.
CloudyTuba
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Vader built C3PO is just the worst.
Best way to view the prequels is as in-universe movies made looooong after the fact. Not all the details were known, artistic license was taken, they just bought the movie rights from Luke's great granddaughter who wrote a book about it. The Secret History of the New Republic. The broad strokes are right but not the details or the casting.
It's a really stupid idea but I'm sticking with it, haha
Considering how they entire planets as greatful to Jedi...probably a lot. Then you have those planets that the Jedi were sent to as Generals in an incredibly long and Brutal Civil War, there's no way they wouldn't know unless they just didn't get news.
No matter the hate for the prequels, I still love Across the Stars. One of the finest John Williams' themes.
brandonh83
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This makes sense too, but yours is purely speculation while mine is backed by facts.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
BFIB
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3PO really wasn't designed for that initially. Its likely he was re-engineered for that after his memory wipe and was then given to Bail Organa.
If you think about the Jedis as some kind of secret agents used mainly in cover-ups and diplomatic missions, it works. I know they exist but I've never met one
3 years is "incredibly long"? The vast majority of the planets in the Clone Wars would never have had a single Jedi set foot on them, or if there was a Jedi it would have been one Jedi general and a padawan. And even then the Jedi general would have mostly worked with their Clonetroopers and military/government officials, they wouldn't have been interacting with the common person.
Most planets weren't Geonosis, which got genocided after the Death Star was completed anyway.
Slavery and Genocide just makes you dead or disappear, not forget the past.
Also I thought Palps profound effect on the force was simply just a weird version of Battle Meditation and ability to hide his presence.
Count Dookkake
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kaiju
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Sectorseven
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And he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids.
brandonh83
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Yes, but who is actually beneath Mark Hamill's face in that scene?
In the original trilogy it was pretty clear the Jedi and the force was an old forgotten relic of the past. Seems The Force Awakens just continues down this road.
If Luke went away/missing shortly after Jedi, and with Vader and the Emperor both gone there were pretty much no signs of the force or the Jedi left in the world.
If Luke went away/missing shortly after Jedi, and with Vader and the Emperor both gone there were pretty much no signs of the force or the Jedi left in the world.
LookAtMeGo
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I bet Luke is hiding out in the Dagobah system.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Han and Leia's theme introduced in Empire Strikes Back. Even the trailer music is nostalgia pandering.
Thanks everyone!
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