It's from The Empire Strikes Back, I believe it was used in a lot of Han scenes and also during the ending. If I remember correctly it's the Han/Leia theme but it's also commonly viewed as sort of the ESB theme as well.
The Falcon, Han, Tie Fighters, Storm Troopers.. the Empire is supposed to be no more, but it initially appeared as though JJ just went back to the OT material and resurrected the same old villains.
I'm guardedly excited for this film. The trailer was really good. Not the best trailer ever, but it also didn't give much away as far as the plot. The scenery is as amazing as Lucas', better even, but it's character driven.
Watching it, I think Finn isn't going to be a Force user. Kylo Ren is the only one who uses the Force in the trailer, but the way Rey is positioned in the movie poster makes it likely that she's the other Force user, torn between the Dark Side and the Light. Finn looks like someone who grabbed the only thing he could in order to defend himself.
Yeah, for a moment it seemed Kennedy was afraid of the fanbase reaction if she even mentioned George. To the point where she looked worried as hell when JJ called him a genius during a panel
This plays more like a first trailer to be honest. Like you said before, I also find it strange that they're adamant in hiding anything about the plot of the movie (I guess it's a JJ thing?). Unless you're reading spoilers you wouldn't even know the basic set up of the flick. Hell I've read some spoilers and I don't know.
Multiple people in this thread have posted more than adequate plot summaries that can be gleaned from this trailer, no spoilers necessary. The trailer really isn't that hard to decipher.
Understood, but speculation aside and just going on confirmed info that's come from
the filmmakers while Lupita's character may be force sensitive she's there to fulfill the role of the individual that crops of in myth of having information our hero's need also known as the helper. Han based on his dialogue appears to fulfilling mentor role much like Obi Wan did in the first.
I like Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness, but there are some things I'm not too hot about. There are things that I think make them derivative works rather than classics in their own right. For a start, the characters are all new takes on old characters, and in Spock we have two versions of the same character. A lot of the appeal is hoisted on seeing those characters repeat things we've seen before or say things we've seen them say before, in huge nudge nudge wink winks to the fan of old. Stuff like including the Kelvin in the first one, and Khan in the second -- yes, there's a time travelling reason to revisit these things, but in a sense you're sacrificing a lot of celluloid (or digital film) for those things when you could be doing something new.
My concern with the very first Force Awakens trailer was that he was doing the same thing with this movie...
The Falcon, Han, Tie Fighters, Storm Troopers.. the Empire is supposed to be no more, but it initially appeared as though JJ just went back to the OT material and resurrected the same old villains. You might argue he still sort of has, especially with the
starkiller base effectively being Death Star #3
. There's a LOT of reliance on old stuff. Having said that, this new trailer does pique my interest in a lot of ways. For the first time I'm really seeing that post-Empire universe. Decaying ship ruins, modified ships, a new dark order of villains. They're reusing a lot of scenarios in these trailers and deliberately keeping a lot from us, and I'm growing in confidence that JJ has the biggest slam dunk of his life on his hands. If this movie creates fresh, new, treasured lore - while deeply respecting what has come before (all of it) -- this is what could write him in to the ages.
Another of my concerns was that he wasn't fully embracing the cinematrophy and visual language of the old movies. There was a lot of the familiar 'things' and costumes, but in terms of camera movement and edits, it looked a bit un-Star-Warsy to me in early trailers (the handheld shot following Ren in to the woods for example). I was fearing lens flares and over-use of modern technique, maybe less of the old directional fade and circle wipes. That worry has dissolved from me greatly. There's a bit of lens flare from the bridge of a ship (or base?) in the trailer, but it actually looks like it makes sense.
Even the EU has never said this. Why would an entire galaxy wide Empire just disappear overnight because their leader died? In the EU, it splinters into various factions and continues to be a presence for many decades. In this film it appears to have done the same thing.
Millions of stormtroopers, thousands of officers and generals, dozens of fleets of ships and bases, they're not gonna vanish after ROTJ.
I also find it a bit weird that you're criticizing it for seemingly reusing ideas from the OT, yet are also criticizing it for not having the exact same cinematography and visuals as a 30+ year old trilogy.
Lucas showed his draft to his friends.[44] Director Brian De Palma, who was there, described it: "The crawl at the beginning looks like it was written on a driveway. It goes on forever. It's gibberish."[45] Lucas recounted what De Palma said the first time he saw it: "George, you're out of your mind! Let me sit down and write this for you." De Palma helped to edit the text into the form used in the film.
I prefer the old trailers, because they didn't show you most of the story. Nowadays you can piece together most of the film's flow just by the trailers that release.
Someone did that w/ Age of Ultron, and it pretty much laid out the entire movie.
The entire movie is going to be amazing to watch opening night. I expect the theater to lose its shit when Luke shows up. I get chills just thinking about how that moment will be.
I still remember being there opening night for TPM and how the theater slowly built up anticipation during the initial crawl, and then BAM STARWARS AND EVERYONE WENT FUCKING NUTZ!
It's pretty obvious they're going back to the original trilogy perspective where the Jedi were rare and The Force was considered a hokey religion by most people. I'm totally okay with this too.
Call me crazy, but I think the seventh movie in an iconic sci-fi franchise probably lends itself better to this type of marketing than...80% of movies. Just because it works for Star Wars doesn't mean everything else should do it, too.
Try not to fixate on that comment. I'm aware such a massive entity would take time to dissipate and collapse, however ROTJ leaves us at a point where the viewer is essentially led to believe that the Empire is defeated. I'm happy that its not, because I like the imagery, and the dichotomy it represents. It'd piss so many people off if it dared to fourth wall in to any kind of political message, but I'd be interested to see the new trilogy explore what motivates people to be loyal to the crumbling Empire as opposed to the rebels - whether some people did well out of the Empire, whether some people consider the rebels terrorists.
Anyway, to pick at that comment misses the overall point. It was very easy to argue, from early trailers at least, that the people behind this movie were going back to the nostalgia well, hard. Wholesale. I'm happy to say, these subsequent sneak peaks and trailers have really started to give this film an identity of its own. And if they really are guarding quite a lot of surprises from us, and its as good as it has the potential to be, I don't think it will be possible for me to be any happier on December 17!
Call that a fault of the PT. From how they were described and talked about in the OT it gave the impression they were rare even when they were an Order, and more importantly that they had been destroyed long ago (like a minimum of 50 years prior, not the 19 of ROTS). Especially with how even the Imperial officers seem skeptical that Vader even has powers in ANH.
Instead of that, we had a million Jedi waving lightsabers around in the PT, all measuring force power with Vegeta's scouter and wearing Obi-Wan's desert clothes in ANH (that Uncle Owen also was wearing) as a uniform because durr.
Plus, they seem commonplace in the PT because we're following them, but how many people in the PT's galaxy will ever have even seen a Jedi in their lifetime? Like 0.001% percent? A galaxy is a big place (yet we went to Tatooine the remote desert planet five times. Thanks George).
In any case by TFA it's been over 50 years since they were seen, and the bottom line is the PT fucking sucks.
Yeah I am wondering fi those are other Knights of Ren and why arent they wielding lightsabers. Perhaps only certain members of Ren can do that. Leads me to believe that Snooke allows Kylo to because perhaps he is related to Vader. I think they do worship Vader but think its deeper than that. Also wondering where that rain scene takes place. I doubt it rains on Jakku.
Try not to fixate on that comment. I'm aware such a massive entity would take time to dissipate and collapse, however ROTJ leaves us at a point where the viewer is essentially led to believe that the Empire is defeated. I'm happy that its not, because I like the imagery, and the dichotomy it represents. It'd piss so many people off if it dared to fourth wall in to any kind of political message, but I'd be interested to see the new trilogy explore what motivates people to be loyal to the crumbling Empire as opposed to the rebels - whether some people did well out of the Empire, whether some people consider the rebels terrorists.
Anyway, to pick at that comment misses the overall point. It was very easy to argue, from early trailers at least, that the people behind this movie were going back to the nostalgia well, hard. Wholesale. I'm happy to say, these subsequent sneak peaks and trailers have really started to give this film an identity of its own. And if they really are guarding quite a lot of surprises from us, and its as good as it has the potential to be, I don't think it will be possible for me to be any happier on December 17!
That was actually something George Lucas added after going senile. It was originally just a bunch of Rebels celebrating on Endor. It was stupid as all fuck too. I mean, the Death Star blows up on Yavin and people take to streets with fireworks at Coruscant? There is no government to keep order when the leader dies? WTF?
It could be like the police right, you see them around but rarely in action using their guns and such. Same thing with the Jedi, yeah they're there, but have they seen them in battle, fighting using the force and their light-sabers.
It could just be that some people were just very skeptical of them having not seen them in full on action. "Yeah sure, a guy with superpowers" type thing.
Call that a fault of the PT. From how they were described and talked about in the OT it gave the impression they were rare even when they were an Order, and more importantly that they had been destroyed long ago (like a minimum of 50 years prior, not the 19 of ROTS). Especially with how even the Imperial officers seem skeptical that Vader even has powers in ANH.
what? "For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic." Then the prequels showed that. Yet it's a fault, somehow, of the prequels. I know the prequels get a lot of hate but damn.
They were never treated rare or whatever. It's just a simple matter of it being a big galaxy and people having different educational/knowledge backgrounds. He's explaining that to Luke, a kid that grew up as a farmer on Tatooine. There's almost nothing there. I can perfectly buy that he specifically wouldn't know much if at all about it. If you pretty much live under a rock like Luke did, you're probably not gonna know about it.
I can see how Rey, likewise, wouldn't know about it, and she's the one inquiring Han about it in the first place. I don't see how hard this is to grasp at all.
Call that a fault of the PT. From how they were described and talked about in the OT it gave the impression they were rare even when they were an Order, and more importantly that they had been destroyed long ago (like a minimum of 50 years prior, not the 19 of ROTS). Especially with how even the Imperial officers seem skeptical that Vader even has powers in ANH.
Instead of that, we had a million Jedi waving lightsabers around in the PT, all wearing Obi-Wan's desert clothes in ANH (that Uncle Owen also was wearing) as a uniform because durr.
Plus, they seem commonplace in the PT because we're following them, but how many people in the PT's galaxy will ever have even seen a Jedi in their lifetime? Like 0.001% percent? A galaxy is a big place (yet we went to Tatooine the remote desert planet five times. Thanks George).
In any case by TFA it's been over 50 years since they were seen, and the bottom line is the PT fucking sucks.
I still think those lines are spliced together and taken out of context to better fit the trailer. For all we know, the preceding conversation could be about something else.
I don't think it's so much that they're a myth, but that they're teens, and they've probably heard rumors. Han is just confirming and showing that he's a true believer now. Also, this is following this seems to be following the OT more closely than the prequels, and in the OT, that's how it felt. To Han it was sort of like an urban legend.
I find the accusation that this movie is pandering to nostalgia is overblown. Yeah, this movie has tie fighters, x wings, old musical themes, storm troopers, old sound effects, light sabers, etc., because all that shit is fucking cool, and trying to replace that stuff with new shit that is equally cool is an exercise in futility. Also, it has only been a few decades, so of course there's going to be aesthetic similarities. So far the only blatant nostalgia pandering has been from the second teaser, with its "Chewie, we're home" line.
I find the accusation that this movie is pandering to nostalgia is overblown. Yeah, this movie has tie fighters, x wings, old musical themes, storm troopers, old sound effects, light sabers, etc., because all that shit is fucking cool, and trying to replace that stuff with new shit that is equally cool is an exercise in futility. Also, it has only been a few decades, so of course there's going to be aesthetic similarities. So far the only blatant nostalgia pandering has been from the second teaser, with its "Chewie, we're home" line.
