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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Final Trailer

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Kain said:
How old is John Williams by the way? Are we sure he didn't train somebody to copy his style or something ridiculous like that? The guy must be ancient by now, it's crazy.
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Unless you have dementia or something, getting old isn't really going to stop you composing music.
 
Conceptually, I like the idea of the Jedi/Sith being legends. I subscribe to Mike Ryan's thesis that the Jedi are actually really fuckin' boring. They wear boring one color old people robes, have stilted condescending vocabulary, super powers that can seemingly do anything which is bad for drama, and live by a code that basically removes anything fun or remotely interesting emotions from their lives. Their downtime seems to be solely concerned with sitting around meditating and lookin oh so serious. One of the many faults of the prequels was shifting us away from reletable human underdogs in their crappy lived-in worlds to broody superheroes living in their shiny sterile towers.

But they sound really cool, right? Legends of space knights with laser swords and magic powers bringing order to the galaxy. And that's where they work best. At the edges of the narrative. As something fantastic in a ugly, dirty world of space pirates, bounty hunters, and young scrappy folks fighting space nazis.
 
Quick said:
God forbid, but there is another...

Michael Giacchino
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Hoping John Williams lives forever but just incase he takes a vacation, I agree that Giacchino is the most likely choice. He;s not on William's level but he's fun and creative and could probably do a fair job imitating him.
 
LookAtMeGo said:
Luke WHAT!? Oh my god.
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Anakin did too.

Also, how do we know
it's Finn that's gonna lose it and not Rey? Isn't she more the Skywalker line? I really don't know because I've been avoiding story stuff for this movie purposely. But I assumed she was the descendant and Finn is just some guy like Han?

And why am I spoiling this stuff out of fear of saying something wrong?
 
Blader said:
When I first heard "Knights of Ren" I thought they were meant to be the new Sith, and Kylo was just a member -- and like "darth" was a title for the Sith, "Ren" would be a title for Knights.

But looking at that shot of them, with Kylo front and center and the only one wielding a lightsaber, I wonder if the Knights aren't a group that he joined but a group that he founded? And that Ren isn't a title, it's just a name, and the Knights are named after him because they're his apprentices.
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I took them to be an existing organization of some kind that he came to with his Vader obsession and applied it to whatever it is the Knights of Ren already do, thus he's the only one with a lightsaber, as you said.
 
ViewtifulJC said:
Conceptually, I like the idea of the Jedi/Sith being legends. I subscribe to Mike Ryan's thesis that the Jedi are actually really fuckin' boring. They wear boring one color old people robes, have stilted condescending vocabulary, super powers that can seemingly do anything which is bad for drama, and live by a code that basically removes anything fun or remotely interesting emotions from their lives.
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Not anymore. One of the points of the prequels was that they were too much like this and driven by hard egos which is what helped make Palpatine's manipulation easier. Jedi don't have to be boring, stiff robots. They were at one point, and it got them real fucked.
 
I think new Star Wars films should show new abilities in the Force. Has anyone else thought of this?

I was watching Empire and I'm reminded that when Luke uses telekinesis to pull his lightsaber in the wampa cave, that was a new power that would have surprised audiences. I think most modern viewers forget this.

Somewhere along the way, they kind of stopped showing the development of what a Jedi can do. They became calcified as wizards with 4-5 specific powers, and that's it. The last new one I can remember is Obi and Qui-hon running fast at the beginning of Episode I.

Or are we boxed into a corner at this point, with the prequels and Clone Wars having defined the Jedi too definitively..?
 
I'm just saying, ESB's cast? Yeah I'd hang out with them. They seem like cool/fun human beings.

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Only one Jedi in that movie, coincidence? I think not
 
Speaking of the OST in the trailer, the tune is familiar but it has some different tones about some parts, like at 1:18 that "tut tut tut tut" it was more lower in tone and now is more aggressive, at 1:34 that little crescendo is more aggressive/stronger than before.

At the end of the trailer it sounds very E.T. Williams mixed with SW Williams, and the result is just sublime.
 
ViewtifulJC said:
Conceptually, I like the idea of the Jedi/Sith being legends. I subscribe to Mike Ryan's thesis that the Jedi are actually really fuckin' boring. They wear boring one color old people robes, have stilted condescending vocabulary, super powers that can seemingly do anything which is bad for drama, and live by a code that basically removes anything fun or remotely interesting emotions from their lives. Their downtime seems to be solely concerned with sitting around meditating and lookin oh so serious. One of the many faults of the prequels was shifting us away from reletable human underdogs in their crappy lived-in worlds to broody superheroes living in their shiny sterile towers.

But they sound really cool, right? Legends of space knights with laser swords and magic powers bringing order to the galaxy. And that's where they work best. At the edges of the narrative. As something fantastic in a ugly, dirty world of space pirates, bounty hunters, and young scrappy folks fighting space nazis.
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Well, it's not like the Prequels were obligated to make them what they were, nor was it really consistent with how they were talked about in the OT. That's just how Lucas decided to handle them after 15 years gap.
They could have kept them as the mysterious sages like Yoda was in ESB, instead of the stilted goobers wearing Tatooine desert clothes as a uniform for some reason.
 
Ithil said:
Well, it's not like the Prequels were obligated to make them what they were, nor was it really consistent with how they were talked about in the OT. That's just how Lucas decided to handle them after 15 years gap.
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Name one inconsistency with how they were talked about versus how they were presented.
 
BocoDragon said:
I think new Star Wars films should show new abilities in the Force. Has anyone else thought of this?

I was watching Empire and I'm reminded that when Luke uses telekinesis to pull his lightsaber in the wampa cave, that was a new power that would have surprised audiences. I think most modern viewers forget this.

Somewhere along the way, they kind of stopped showing the development of what a Jedi can do. They became calcified as wizards with 4-5 specific powers, and that's it. The last new one I can remember is Obi and Qui-hon running fast at the beginning of Episode I.

Or are we boxed into a corner at this point, with the prequels and Clone Wars having defined the Jedi too definitively..?
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if they do, I hope they are not as lame as running fast. Which he some how totally forgot to do in the final battle of Ep. 1. And could have saved Qui-gons life.
 
Ithil said:
They could have kept them as the mysterious sages like Yoda was in ESB, instead of the stilted goobers wearing Tatooine desert clothes as a uniform for some reason.
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They were always meant to be space monks that can tap into supernatural energy to do good, and lo and behold in the prequels they're literally an order of space monks who tap into supernatural energy to do good.
 
So Finn uses the lightsaber that was once owned by Vader and later Luke, and is now presumably his.

He is facing Kylo Ren, who is like the ultimate Vader groupie.

Something something, helmet comes off and for some reason Finn and Kylo are gonna fight.

Yeah, okay, this looks awesome already, but it'd be great if Kylo wants it cause it's another piece of Vader memorabilia in addition to whatever reaosn he wants to kill Finn for.
 
LegendofLex said:
They were always meant to be space monks that can tap into supernatural energy to do good, and lo and behold in the prequels they're literally an order of space monks who tap into supernatural energy to do good.
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and just like shaolin monks, they sound cool, cuz they know kung fu and mystic arts and shit. But like, the other 90% of the time is them meditating and reading scriptures and shit. I don't want a movie about a bunch of these dudes, man. You need a Johnny Cage to balance out this Liu Kang, ya feel me? A Han Solo "this is some ol' bullshit" kind of guy.
 
Woah woah woah. It's just hit me


Where did the scene of rey looking up at the ships scene go? From the teaser bit for this trailer.

Have you all discussed this yet? Did they switch the trailer last minute, or edit it.
 
ViewtifulJC said:
and just like shaolin monks, they sound cool, cuz they know kung fu and mystic arts and shit. But like, the other 90% of the time is them meditating and reading scriptures and shit. I don't want a movie about a bunch of these dudes, man. You need a Johnny Cage to balance out this Liu Kang, ya feel me? A Han Solo "this is some ol' bullshit" kind of guy.
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Yeah, the gritty world-weary characters were pretty starkly missing from the prequels. It's one thing I'm really looking forward to about Ep 7, since none of the characters seem to be coming from a position of safety (Rey is a scavenger, Poe is already a resistance fighter, and Finn is a defector) and we have no real foreknowledge of where they'll end up (unlike any character who matters in the prequels).
 
ViewtifulJC said:
and just like shaolin monks, they sound cool, cuz they know kung fu and mystic arts and shit. But like, the other 90% of the time is them meditating and reading scriptures and shit. I don't want a movie about a bunch of these dudes, man. You need a Johnny Cage to balance out this Liu Kang, ya feel me? A Han Solo "this is some ol' bullshit" kind of guy.
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We need Lando in Episode VIII so bad. But I have a feeling whatever Jedi are in the new movies are going to be so much cooler because they're not bound to stupid, inhumane codes anymore. People didn't like that about the prequels, but I found it to be a really interesting story point that subverted expectations.
 
Verendus said:
I think he understands that people can be passionate. He's not judging people for being excited or happy. He's judging the fact that people can be so passionate about something like this to the point that it brings them to tears. He's probably trying to imply there's something seriously wrong with those people, to the point that they might be compensating for the emptiness in their lives with meaningless things that will never truly fill those holes. That, or he just thinks they're juveniles.

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Don't hold back Oldest Snake.

Is there something really wrong with you? Or is there something wrong with the world that we live in? Or maybe it's our society?
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Seriously wrong? Holy hyperbole. What is escapism, nostalgia, and all the emotions wrapped up in a franchise going back to childhood? Everybody is different, and I got a little emotional myself watching that trailer, but I'm a crybaby at many things in movies, and its usually something like John Williams' score that does it for me. Swelling music, those lines from Han, it's like I was ten again and experiencing that universe again for the first time. I wasn't even that invested in the hype for this until seeing that trailer, it's effective marketing tugging on those nostalgia strings plain and simple. Get that pop psych fillin a void crap outta here. Reducing people to such a simplicity is dumb, and dare I say out of touch with humanity in general.
 
Metalmarc said:
Woah woah woah. It's just hit me


Where did the scene of rey looking up at the ships scene go? From the teaser bit for this trailer.

Have you all discussed this yet? Did they switch the trailer last minute, or edit it.
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They also cut poe's scene out
 
The Real Abed said:
Anakin did too.

Also, how do we know
it's Finn that's gonna lose it and not Rey? Isn't she more the Skywalker line? I really don't know because I've been avoiding story stuff for this movie purposely. But I assumed she was the descendant and Finn is just some guy like Han?

And why am I spoiling this stuff out of fear of saying something wrong?
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You're correct.
She is the new Luke. Finn is just a new character who has force sensitivity and is a main character.
 
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