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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Final Trailer
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MagnaderAlpha
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Maz Kanata's Palace. That picture just screams old school sci-fi fantasy! I love it!don't forget a Cloud City/Mos Eisley/exotic place full of aliens, scoundrels, and bounty hunters. A Space Pirate Palace, b.
Rian Johnson has his work cut out for him, they're using all the geographic archetypes and environments in the first movie.
PeskyToaster
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We can't let "Jurassic park doesn't have a theme" go yet.
Bobby Roberts
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That's terribly mixed.
The original rip is better than that. good idea, bad execution.
I would assume its that moon thing we see on the poster. I suppose the moon it self might have had a name or something, I don't know.
All I'm saying is if I was going to name anything "Starkiller", it would be something that looks like a moon that actually happens to be a space station.
Suck it Kenobi!
Wasn't Starkiller the dude from Force Unleashed?
Yes, but it was also Luke's name in the early scripts for Star Wars.
BarringGaffner
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Seeing that supercut... I wonder if that is Finn inside the tiefighter in the hangar they are all shooting at... would make sense that his ship is destroyed as he escapes in orbit over Jakku.
(sorry if that's obvious, I just never noticed it!)
If that's the case then there is probably a lot of stuff before that scene that we are missing.. but that would be a pretty badass intro action scene.
(sorry if that's obvious, I just never noticed it!)
If that's the case then there is probably a lot of stuff before that scene that we are missing.. but that would be a pretty badass intro action scene.
don't forget a Cloud City/Mos Eisley/exotic place full of aliens, scoundrels, and bounty hunters. A Space Pirate Palace, b.
Rian Johnson has his work cut out for him, they're using all the geographic archetypes and environments in the first movie.
why dude on far right in the red got so much attitude and shit like as if he didn't want to take the pic
Chezzymann
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I hope they have some scenes in the movie with the cast just having a good time with each other. That's one thing in the prequels that was distinclty absent, you never saw anakin and obi wan just joking around or messing with each other like how han and luke did in the OT. It felt a lot more 'formal' with not much casual banter
You've got about 100 episodes or if you want more time with anakin and obi wan.
Sure, but that doesn't excuse the lack of that interaction in the movies.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I wonder if they will be able to successfully re-spiritualize the Jedi?
Will they try? Or will they kind of just stay the course they've been on with them being space wizards who speak platitudes...
OT Yoda was the last time I really bought it. The PT Jedi were just a bunch of beauracratic clergy... They were not proper mystics.
Will they try? Or will they kind of just stay the course they've been on with them being space wizards who speak platitudes...
OT Yoda was the last time I really bought it. The PT Jedi were just a bunch of beauracratic clergy... They were not proper mystics.
I forgot, yeah it was. John Williams should cover Judas Priest for the themesong.
I sort of think that was the point though, however badly it was executed. The Jedi of the PT were uncaring, unfeeling dickheads, they had lost their way. Unfortunately Qui-Gon, the Jedi who was supposed to be the opposite of that, also came across as an inscrutable bore.
Yoda is actually the major flaw of the Jedi concept in OT for me. I have no patience for his annoying ethos, backwards speech, and holier-than-thou attitude.
Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, he started bouncing around like a stupid Muppet in the PT. Absolutely cringe-worthy.
Now I just think he's embarrassing and the butt of the joke, especially post that buttplug photoshop picture floating around the Web.
That's Yaddle, you casual!
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I keep hearing that theory, most notably from brandonh83. It may have even been elaborated on in the Clone Wars show, from what I heard.
Personally? I don't think Lucas set out to do that, and it's something that just kind of happened as a result of Lucas sleepwalking into a portrayal of the Jedi that was less than spiritual. The Jedi in The Phantom Menace look like they were written someone who is not that well versed in spiritual concepts. Rather they look like someone more left-brained/geek oriented trying to write a mystical order. They come across as dull bureaucrats.
If they leaned into the idea that the Republic-era Jedi had lost their way later on in canon sources, so be it, but I'm doubtful that was the intention at the outset. Deceived by the dark side? Sure, that was certainly intended in the text. The Jedi ultimately being a devolved sad sack of a so-called monastic order? I think that's entirely a failure of the creators that was maybe embraced as a later excuse.
Whether it was intended or not: I don't like that idea one bit. It completely undermines the OT. It's in the text of the OT films that it's supposed to be sad that the crushing machine of the modernist Empire has steamrolled this beautiful way of life. It's supposed to be laudable that Luke stages a "Return of the Jedi" and brings back this more spiritually-attuned people.
If the Jedi were a devolved organization, who'd gotten "fat", lost their way, and deserved their downfall? It makes Luke look dumb and naive for blindly revering them. And if the idea is that Luke is restoring some earlier, more pure version of the Jedi, then that is not in the text of OT at all. That's something that would be important to state as part of his revival of the Jedi, that he's bringing back a new form of Jedi, and it's not stated outright anywhere. I realize it's an older movie, but that's what I'm saying: devolved Jedi undermines the OT, and should not have been written in that way.
If I'm not supposed to revere the Jedi, it nearly ruins Star Wars for me. It would ruin it for most of its viewers if they understood this discussion point. It would honestly make midichlorians look insignificant with how series-undermining it is. I'd sooner choose to believe that Lucas fucked up in realizing the Republic-era Jedi, then agree that it's logical part of the story arc for the Jedi to be devolved and foolish.
I believe/hope Disney/Lucasfilm chooses to ignore that point, and they will portray the idea of the Jedi and the Force as spiritually pure again.
EatChildren
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Yeah, I don't buy that Lucas intended for the Jedi to be considered uncaring and unfeeling. I just think he haphazardly extrapolated on his own ideas from the original trilogy that didn't require added complexity.
That being said, I don't mind if that becomes a sticking point in the series from this point on. Like I think it would be neat if Luke represented a figure disenchanted by the old ways of the Jedi and their rigid interpretation and expression of the Force. If as a character he moved back towards the spiritual elements over the organisation.
That being said, I don't mind if that becomes a sticking point in the series from this point on. Like I think it would be neat if Luke represented a figure disenchanted by the old ways of the Jedi and their rigid interpretation and expression of the Force. If as a character he moved back towards the spiritual elements over the organisation.
hooijdonk17
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The problem with the PT Jedi is that they go from 'I can only protect you, I can't fight a war for you' to an army of spec-op commandos in a war that they really have no business in. The Clone Wars series is terrible in this regard, it was a cash grab that totally destroyed what Jedi were portrayed as in the OT. They were once a spiritual warrior-monk society that were 'guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy', and between the prequels and Clone Wars they turned into a militaristic order of disposable superheroes whose heads were stuck up so high their own asses that they couldn't see the forest for the trees.
The PT really destroyed everything good about Star Wars..
The PT really destroyed everything good about Star Wars..
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I imagine he was able to copy the outward appearance of the spiritual struggle from Joseph Campbell during the OT. But in terms of actually portraying mystics, he was out of his element.
I don't particularly want them to even address that kind of issue. I'm liking this "pretend like the PT never happened (even if it's still canon)" or "do as the OT would do" direction TFA marketing has continually hinted at. And following that course, the Jedi would have lead a good way of life that Luke would want to uphold.
But you do have to wonder why Luke is seemingly not heading up a Jedi Academy as in the old EU, and is a reclusive figure. Maybe the answer is because he doesn't want to repeat the sins of Jedi past? We'll see soon enough.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It was already too late when old Force ghost Anakin was wearing them at the end of ROTJ.
So Ben Kenobi was "hiding" on Tattooine wearing the uniform of a Jedi? ........riiiiight.
Though, there was a period in pre-production for the PT where they were going ahead with Luke's black ROTJ suit and hood as the uniform of the Jedi. I would have MUCH preferred that. It would have also re-contextualized Luke's appearance in ROTJ as a daring and audacious act, showing up in the uniform of the suppressed organization.
Annoying Old Party Man
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Luke Skywalker kills Han Solo at the end of the movie.
Then in the next one, it is revealed that he, uhm, had to, because he has a higher purpose (destroying the empire for good).
Called it first!
Then in the next one, it is revealed that he, uhm, had to, because he has a higher purpose (destroying the empire for good).
Called it first!
Ren squad lose. Kylo Ren who is beaten managed to escape to the forest where Finn lies in wait for him. The fight commence and Finn barely bested him.
Before Finn managed to interrogate him, Ren says "The Mandalorians are coming!!" and commit harakiri using the hilt of his lightsaber.
Before Finn managed to interrogate him, Ren says "The Mandalorians are coming!!" and commit harakiri using the hilt of his lightsaber.
I rather like the theory somebody mentioned earlier in the thread, where Luke may have trained Kylo and the Knights of Ren and they lost their way; maybe even that he hid the full story about Vader from them and when they found it (or because he hid it) they sort of idolize a misconstrued ideal of Vader. It's certainly an interesting angle.
I'm with you, I'm still adjusting to the total binning of the EU. When they first announced the new movies, I figured while the EU wasn't canon anymore, it might still be a general blueprint for where things were headed (and they would just take or leave out elements they liked or didn't like). I don't think it was until about the second teaser trailer where they had released more background information about the plot and I realized everything is completely different.
Vampirolol
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Ren is Luke's son. The movie ends with Luke saying "Ren, I'm your father", then the camera moves to the sky, the stars align forming JJ Abrams' face making an eyewink. Movie ends, the high dose of fanservice explodes and forms a new galaxy where we all become Gungans.
hooijdonk17
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Actually, that would make a lot of sense if Kylo was Han and Leia's son trained by Luke and turned to the Dark Side abandoning his parents for the legacy of his grandfather instead, which fouled things between Leia and Han who were apart for a while now. It also explains a lot plot points from the leaks and some scenes from the trailer.
I don't think Luke trained the rest of Ren though, Kylo did that, IMO.
I don't know anything about the leaks, so don't spoil us lol. Good points, all though.
I'm also thinking now that Daisy Ridley probably finds a MacGuffin of some importance in her salvaging (perhaps Luke's blue lightsaber which Finn later has?), which is connected to why she, Finn, and Han are presumably escaping from the Order/TIEs in the Falcon on Jakku. It would also explain why they have an interest in asking Han about Jedi and the Force.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I actually had the opposite journey... When Disney bought Lucasfilm, I totally got on board with the idea the the EU was completely binned. The existence of the Stormtroopers in the first trailer told me that every single thing that the EU said about what happened post-ROTJ was wrong, and that the Empire was still alive and well. Why would it disappear after the very minor setback of its leader and main weapon being destroyed?
...But it actually came as a surprise to me when they revealed the nature of "The First Order" and "The Resistance". Apparently, there was a New Republic, and the Empire had declined in its control over the galaxy. But after 30 years, this First Order has apparently threatened the nature of the good guys to the point that they have devolved from being a New Republic to being a mere "Resistance".
So in the end, it's not that different from the EU. It's still the idea that after ROTJ, Imperial Remnants and the New Republic scrapped for control of the galaxy. Obviously there's no Jacen, Jania or Anakin Solo. There's no Yuuzhan Vong. The nature of the characters throws out the EU. But the overall nature of the galaxy is more like the EU than I would have thought after the Disney purchase and the first trailer. The basic setup for TFA kind of looks like that of Star Wars Legacy, with the Empire roaring back and setting things back to an OT-like status quo.
I figured they would leave a lot of the EU out, certainly the Vong and later stuff, probably even the Solo kids, the OT cast is certainly starting out a lot older; I just had the opposite reaction when I heard about the "First Order" and "Resistance", I was like "Wait, there's no Empire? There's no New Republic?". I kinda figured stuff like the New Republic and the Jedi Academy would stay the same. On one hand it's exciting to not know where it's going, but it's weird to throw away how I thought things were for like the last 20 years.
blackdevil
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rey looking up in the sky with imperial ships flying over is missing
Razgriz-Specter
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Raiders-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBvzi4ej6W4&index=16 Desert Chase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjcYjSqK75E Marion's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhut1hkXv9s Flying Wing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw8U7vpK094 Map Room
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNKAb75Cj_k Slave Children's Crusade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgsycZR-cyI Trap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgzWO2BkNHw Short Round's theme
Crusade -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7ac8qtskAg Belly of the Beast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP95xT0R28c Motorcycle countryside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLOMkDnryBQ Last Crusade theme
Crystal Skull -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtYDnOO0PyI Irina's Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWCJYPtoWjA Jungle Chase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sub9Hnf71a8 Mutt's theme
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I can understand that it's quite a shock, especially if you were invested in it.
For me? I followed the EU in the 90s back before it was even called the EU... and that's a key distinction. Before that term was coined, it was basically a bunch of random writers who arbitrarily set the future direction of the SW universe, and then only fit one another's story into continuity as a way of courtesy.
There was no plan. There was no vision. And this was a bad way to start out a universe. They charged ahead in various directions, with no sense of character arc.
So you have things like Dark Empire which was a "what if" scenario where Luke played with the dark side... which then leads into the Jedi Academy series where it's a good guy Luke who wants to revive the legacy of the Jedi. The Jedi Academy writer Kevin J Anderson corresponded with Dark Empire writer Tom Vetch, and incorporated the facts of DE into his story (destroyed Coruscant, Luke with "dark memories"), but the character progression makes no sense, really. It's an incoherent "this happened, than this happened, then this" with no concern for how one flows into another.
And this was the haphazard continuity that was inherited even when the EU was formalized near the TPM release as a thing with a more coherent direction. A thousand monkeys with a thousand typewriters. And this aimless mess set the direction for the facts that followed ROTJ.
It had to be thrown out, to tell a real grown up tale about what Luke, Han, Leia, etc would really go through after ROTJ, etc. It's not just that it's a fresh direction... for the first time, it will be a coherent direction.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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NekoFever
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It still bothers me that both Star Wars and sci-fi as a whole is unable to conceive a planet that has more than one biome, even though we live on one. Ice planet, desert planet, forest planet, lava planet, city planet, etc.
I guess it at least makes them distinctive, but it's going to get more and more ridiculous as the series progresses if they keep recycling the handful of possible ones.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I guess I mean I like my headcanon of Luke doing that without explicitly saying so. As in, choosing a more spiritual, monk-like direction as a Jedi and that statement made as action rather than dialogue exposition or extrapolating on his feelings on the past order.
I haven't read the leaked scripts so I don't know what the go is. My gut says he's not in it much. The title, Force Awakens, and the canon of the film series so far, to me implies he maybe didn't really know what to do with his force powers post ROTJ given there wouldn't have been any other known Jedi/Sith in the galaxy (sans Leia). Maybe being force sensitive, and not having that guidance, made him feel a combination of isolation and pressure of how to lead as a force sensitive person.
And now with Force Awakens we see individuals spring up again with force sensitivity, and he's not sure how to deal with it.
Razgriz-Specter
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Naboo?
This is a very accurate way to put it.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It seems to me that if TFA Luke is true to the direction of the OT, then he will look like a more honest monk that is essentially a "rebuke" of the doctrinal PT Jedi, whether it is stated in the text of the film or not.
He's not on the poster, that's all I know.
I'm not at all certain for the reason for his apparent isolation, but it is probably the biggest mystery of the film. Apparently JJ was brought on board to the project, after reluctance, after being asked the question "Who is Luke Skywalker?" That leads me to believe that it is a central question to the future direction of the series. I can't wait to see what they've decided.
In my head, Luke's Jedi Order, or whatever it's called, is a different beast to the Republic-Era Order. Cut away the beauracratic nonsense and faff. It's about emotion and doing what's right, legendary Knights that fight against oppression and the tyrants of the Galaxy. They should be half Athurian, half Robin Hood.
Before the PT, I imagined the once great Jedi Order was similar to the wizards of Middle Earth; there's an hidden agenda and motive, but it's for the good for the realm. Watchers of the people, as it were.
I hope with the ST, they use Luke to establish a Jedi Order that falls more inline with what we all had in our heads, rather than what the PT delivered. I'm not prequel bashing, but it's not like Luke had a "How to build the Jedi Order" handbook, so going forward the next Jedi Order, if there is one, can be anything they want it to be. Let's face it, it's not like the previous version was successful at the end.
"Not the last of the old Jedi, Luke. The first of the new."
Before the PT, I imagined the once great Jedi Order was similar to the wizards of Middle Earth; there's an hidden agenda and motive, but it's for the good for the realm. Watchers of the people, as it were.
I hope with the ST, they use Luke to establish a Jedi Order that falls more inline with what we all had in our heads, rather than what the PT delivered. I'm not prequel bashing, but it's not like Luke had a "How to build the Jedi Order" handbook, so going forward the next Jedi Order, if there is one, can be anything they want it to be. Let's face it, it's not like the previous version was successful at the end.
"Not the last of the old Jedi, Luke. The first of the new."
Everything tells me he is going to be a mysterious figure throughout the movie and will only show up at the end, having a more prominent role in the sequels.
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