WadiumArcadium
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A lot of it is undeniably crap and resetting the canon was definitely necessary. To say he's talentless, without I assume, reading any of his work, is a bit of a stretch.
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A lot of it is undeniably crap and resetting the canon was definitely necessary. To say he's talentless, without I assume, reading any of his work, is a bit of a stretch.
Bobby Roberts
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Why? And what "they" are we referring to here? Abrams?
Well Williams had nothing to do with the music in this trailer, so I don't think it would be an indication of anything. This was essentially standard trailer music (albeit very well done) with a veneer of Star Wars music on top.
Duane Cunningham
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Pretty sure it was Zahn, because I remember it, and I'm pretty positive the Zahn trilogy was the only thing I ever read from the EU.
Timothy Zahn is absolutely not a talentless hack relative to anyone.
That's not to say he's not without his flaws (Even the Heir to the Empire trilogy often comes across as a bit unambitious compared to the movies), but he has made good stuff.
Sectorseven
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Wedge & Lando weren't force adept, nor were pretty much everyone on Endor. Was the force guiding that one pilot who crashed into the super star destroyer?
Charles Foster Kane
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I read Heir to the Emipire but did not like it...
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, that theory was Zahn's. If I remember right it was Mara Jade who voiced it? But it was definitely a Zahn thing, the idea that Death Star II went south in a hurry because Palpatine got killed and his underlying/subliminal influence on the fight disappeared.
Liamario
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My concern is totally irrational and based on nothing at all to be perfectly honest. The trailer didn't do much for me and since then, my paranoiameter is stuck on overload.
You don't need to be Force Adept in order for a Force user to affect you.
I think Zahn's idea was just an explanation for why despite just destroying the flagship and the Death Star the entire big ass fleet of Star Destroyers vanished.
Not an explanation for any of the Rebels' victories onscreen.
Secret Fawful
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Fixed.
LegendofLex
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Even if we discard the ridiculous notion that Palpatine had a vicegrip on the Death Star II battle, can't we just assume that maybe perhaps he could have escaped just as Luke does, had he not been killed? (Speaking of which, how does Luke manage to get a shuttle out when he's fleeing from what must have been one of the most secured parts of the station?) I mean, do we also think that the entire Imperial fleet surrounding the Death Star was wiped out?
Yeah, Luke managed to reach a shuttle while stumbling carrying a 6'5'' guy.
I think it's pretty obvious Palpy would have escaped without Vader chucking his ass into a pit.
DerangedHermit
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Uh oh ... Chewie is in trouble: http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ing-darth-vader-to-ukraine-election?CMP=fb_gu
Bobby Roberts
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Heh. Well, hell. Isn't much to be done about that, I guess.
No, he was right. Bastilla's battle meditation was a major plot and background point about her character in the first KOTOR; it was based on the same theory mentioned from the Heir to the Empire trilogy.
WadiumArcadium
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He's let himself go.
Secret Fawful
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Ohhhh, right. I thought he was just responding to the idea that the EU was made by nothing but talentless hacks. Battle meditation completely slipped my mind.
Sectorseven
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If he has that kind of power then why can't he make stormtroopers shoot straight?
CreepingFear
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He obviously didn't put points into force battle meditation. Bastialla could teach him a thing or two.
The heroes were protected by Plot Armor, another potent Force power.
More_Badass
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Fine Ham Abounds
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I fell asleep somewhere around the shit discussion
LookAtMeGo
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Finns ass doe.
Rewatched TPM and AOTC this weekend (blu ray). Ep1, while nowhere close to being good, aged better than Ep 2. The podrace and everything up to it took way longer than I remembered though, it's like half of the movie.
They went back and improved the effects/visuals for the blu right? Because everything looks better than I remember. However, there's one thing that struck me as odd: in the Gungan/droid battle, there's a 2 sec shot of tanks/troops coming in, that looks really bad, like the detailed textures weren't put in. Really weird when every other scene seems touched up.
AOTC is a nightmare... Some of the scenes (like in the jedi library/temple) look way worse than I remembered. There's not much about this movie that I like, aside from maybe the final shot where the imperial march plays and the clone army is shown. All the Padme/Anakin stuff is as cringe-worthy as ever. Shmi's death is also such a terrible and wasted moment.
They went back and improved the effects/visuals for the blu right? Because everything looks better than I remember. However, there's one thing that struck me as odd: in the Gungan/droid battle, there's a 2 sec shot of tanks/troops coming in, that looks really bad, like the detailed textures weren't put in. Really weird when every other scene seems touched up.
AOTC is a nightmare... Some of the scenes (like in the jedi library/temple) look way worse than I remembered. There's not much about this movie that I like, aside from maybe the final shot where the imperial march plays and the clone army is shown. All the Padme/Anakin stuff is as cringe-worthy as ever. Shmi's death is also such a terrible and wasted moment.
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Huh, it's working on my end.
Not sure if this has anything to do with your impression of the pod race being long or not, but I think they extended it after the theatrical release.
BuggyDClown
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I think Vader's "redemption" (it's not much of one, it's more of a realization that he fucked up bad, and he commits suicide by cop trying to make some sort of amends) is a problem because after the fact, everyone sort of got the idea that Return of the Jedi was as much about Vader as it was Luke. And it wasn't. That's not Vader's redemption, it's Luke's victory. But nobody thinks of it that way, and when Lucas sat down to write the prequels, he didn't think of it that way, either. And I think that absolutely colored how he wrote the following stories.
Return of the Jedi is Luke's movie, and Luke's victory. Not Vader's. And giving Vader the credit (over Luke) was one of the ways that movie muddied itself up, and it's definitely a big part of why the Prequels were as confused as they were on a storytelling level.
That image couldn't have been less reductive of what I said. That was the equivalent response of reading the title to an OP and not the post. I said it was more likely the rebels call, not lukes.
No one is going to save their father who he believes has good in him, carry his metal carcass off the ship so his friends can have a cookout and not bring home a souvenir. It makes wildly more sense that he kept vaders mask from the pyre.
I agree that it is Lukes movie, but we look at the series with retroactive eyes, things have changed in star wars culture. this is also now a story about family.
With that said, that means we need a new skywalker, which again points to rey, but there's not enough conflict in just her. Which backs up my thoughts on kylo ren being han and leias.
Especially if you consider the fact that boyega has Anakins lightsaber in his duel with kylo. I wouldn't put it past kylo ren to have either crafted his saber from Vaders (book spoiler
supposedly some people in aftermath are selling his saber.
It would be very star wars to have the grand children of darth vader go against one another at the films climax, with the saber of jedi anakin skywalker and dark sided darth vader. That is about as star wars as it gets.
What? Episode I-III had tons. IV had Luke and Obi, V had Luke and Yoda, VI had Luke, Yoda, Leia, Anakin (he turned back to the jedi if he had a force ghost.)
Also it's called the force awakens, there can be many jedi if they wanted.
ViewtifulJC
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The pod race thing goes on waaay longer than you remember. It comes out of nowhere and doesn't mean a damn thing. Obviously its based on the wonderful chariot race in Ben-Hur, but that was a completely different context. The chariot race is the narrative climax after hours of (sexual) tension and development between two men have been best friends/worst enemies/possible lovers. The dramatic stakes couldn't be higher, it gives all that fast-paced editing purpose and drive.
What are the stakes of the pod race? "yeah we need this little part for our spaceship and also this boy will just made I kinda want him". You're a fuckin' Jedi Master, just take the part/the kid and get out of there, b. Who's going to stop you? We kinda need to get back to what we thought was the plot of this movie, with a giant galactic war happening?
What are the stakes of the pod race? "yeah we need this little part for our spaceship and also this boy will just made I kinda want him". You're a fuckin' Jedi Master, just take the part/the kid and get out of there, b. Who's going to stop you? We kinda need to get back to what we thought was the plot of this movie, with a giant galactic war happening?
LaserBuddha
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The podrace sequence was legit good.
half a moon
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That's what I'll be watching tonight. 2nd halfish of the film
TangoAlphaLima
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If Luke was going to keep Vader's mask, he wouldn't have put it on the pyre to burn it.
I think it's certainly possible that the trailer shot we see of Kylo (and likely other Knights of Ren) is him obtaining Vader's mask on Endor.
KingHenrik30
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So Palpatine had Battle Meditation powers like Bastila?
I thought the parts where he's just flicking random switches and pressing buttons were cool. I can't really articulate very well why, but it made the pod racers feel like real, tactile machines.
PeskyToaster
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Them jedi just let some flying junk seller yank em around. Force slap that fool and take whatever you need.
Episode II looks like shit. The sequence when the Jedi begin revealing themselves in the Geonosis stadium and the camera cuts to each one flicking on their lightsabers is especially bad; the green screening is extremely obvious and doesn't remotely look like they're all in the same location.
TangoAlphaLima
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That was Timothy Zahn's theory, so I guess that makes it legit under the old EU, but that's now scrubbed.
BuggyDClown
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Probably not, it's more likely he wouldn't need that much backup for a few ewoks.
More likely that after luke saw the force ghost of his father, he decided he wanted to keep a bit of it to remember it by. Especially as the destroyed mask represents how in the end vader turned on the darkish, and destroyed the evil inside him to save luke, so not having a put together mask of vader would make sense.
I doubt the searching for a forest buried face mask is part of the movies plot. why would there even be any protection around the mask if it's just on the forest moon of vendor. it makes zero sense.
I think you are underestimating the sentimentality of jedi. Even obi wan saved awakens saber after he tried to kill him and slaughtered younglings. He held onto it and the memories and good thoughts of anakin over the next 17 years.
Luke taking of evaders destroyed mask is inconsiquental compared to the insanity of that, considering vader ultimately saved his life in the end.
Yep, while I do enjoy the scene, I was surprised at how much time it eats up... while not being of much significance in the grand scheme of things.
Also: there were probably like 100 kids who auditioned for this and I can't believe Jake Lloyd was the best of the bunch.
BuggyDClown
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Who is dumb enough to think this? 0_o
TangoAlphaLima
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I don't think that shot implies the Knights of Ren had to take Vader's mask by force. They're just there as a ceremonial function, to find this lost artifact of someone they worship.
Now, why Kylo has his lightsaber engaged, I don't know. Maybe it's essentially akin to He-Man lifting his Power Sword above his head before shouting that he has the power, just another ceremonial aspect of the whole thing.
It comes up again all the time
But in this case, I just misunderstood you and thought you had this idea, argh
Even if he was masked the entire time. I don't know how anyone can confuse Adam Driver's body with Mark Hamill's. One is incredibly slim and tall while the other is a chubby 64 years old.
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