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[peanutbutterlatte]

There is nothing of the wonder and magic of the OT in Episode 3. It is a horrible, horrible reality and place. Which I know is entirely the point. But then you wonder why it was even a story worth telling. The Jedi are shit. The republic is shit. The Sith are horrible. Everybody is massively flawed in one way or another. It doesn't give any other hope apart from two children who are hidden away and meant for nothing, It's a depressing, lathargic movie, with a predetermined outcome and a predetermined boredom.

Ewan McGregor acting with all his might can't save himself from his hammy, horrible acting partner. Natalie Portman looks confused to be there, waiting for the day she can be a wispy side-chick for Thor. Ian McDarmid may have been on coke for the latter half of the film, but damned if he doesn't try his best.

 

[IAmRandom31]

I hope the set up to this scene is good, because I just laugh my ass off at the "I have made a huge mistake" face.

the thing i love is that at first he is

oh so confident. Like man, look at me f'er, i got a lightsaber

then it quickly goes from that confident look to

oh shit so do you!

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Man these trees are begging to be cut Asian martial arts film style.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Yeah I like how Boyega kinda is selling the character in, well, a very Harrison Ford kinda way

But he didn't give that order.

I'm just sayin mang

 

[Lifejumper]

Rewatching Plinketts reviews. Its literally impossible that EP7 will be worse than the prequels.

Question: how did the jedi select their padawans?

 

[UnforgivenTwin]

Rewatching Plinketts reviews. Its literally impossible that EP7 will be worse than the prequels.

That's how I feel. You can only go up right?Right?

 

[Laieon]

Rewatching Plinketts reviews. Its literally impossible that EP7 will be worse than the prequels.

Question: how did the jedi select their padawans?

They look for padawans who have 10 years of experience being a Jedi and who can provide their own light sabers.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Of course things can always go below prequels levels. It's not like the prequels are the worst movies there are.

 

[mr-paul]

I've watched the trailer so many times on youtube but saw it in the cinema tonight before SPECTRE. It blew me away even more.

Oh my god I literally can't wait for this.

 

[JoeInky]

The star wars credits roll past and we see a familiar star field

Suddenly, two of the stars merge together, then another two, then another.

The camera keeps panning out as these "stars" get bigger and bigger.

Zoom out to Kylo Ren looking at a blood sample through a microscope.

"Woah, my midichlorian count is off the charts"

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

Plinkett in 3..2..1..

Someone even said it was the bestest movie ever cuz it had lava in it.

 

[Secret Fawful]

Of course things can always go below prequels levels. It's not like the prequels are the worst movies there are.

Yeah, there's still the theatrical Clone Wars movie, which is the worst movie there is. Watch it. I fuckin' dare you.

EDIT:

Oh boy. Ok not worst, but in terms of looking at the originals and comparing, they're pretty rock bottom. Soulless, terrible plotting, terrible pacing, things not making much if any sense, the Jedi just meandering from disaster to disaster, Anakins turn to the dark side and subsequent years of servitude to Palpatine making NO sense whatsoever... It's a calamity. The only redeeming factor is the pod race and erm.... Yeah that's it. Revenge of the Sith is almost as bad as Episode 2. Episode 1 is the most cohesive film of the lot and the part where R2 repairs the ship is the most/only Star Wars moment in the entire trilogy. Lightsabers battles over choreographed pantomime with no sense of danger, excitement or gravitas. The films going out their way to dilute the power of what Bing a Jedi is, and ruining much of the mysticism and what makes the Jedi special.


Yeah not my cup of tea. Those defending it have lost their marbles as far as I'm concerned. I respect those no like them but can't for the life of me understand why, unless you've got incredibly low standards or its all you know. Sorry.

Wow, you really blew his post out of proportion here.

 

[DavidDesu]

Of course things can always go below prequels levels. It's not like the prequels are the worst movies there are.

Oh boy. Ok not worst, but in terms of looking at the originals and comparing, they're pretty rock bottom. Soulless, terrible plotting, terrible pacing, things not making much if any sense, the Jedi just meandering from disaster to disaster, Anakin's turn to the dark side and subsequent years of servitude to Palpatine making NO sense whatsoever... It's a calamity. The only redeeming factor is the pod race and erm.... Yeah that's it. Revenge of the Sith is almost as bad as Episode 2. Episode 1 is the most cohesive film of the lot and the part where R2 repairs the ship is the most/only Star Wars moment in the entire trilogy. Lightsaber battles over choreographed pantomime with no sense of danger, excitement or gravitas. The films going out their way to dilute the power of what being a Jedi is, and ruining much of the mysticism and what makes the Jedi special.


Yeah not my cup of tea. Those defending it have lost their marbles as far as I'm concerned. I respect those no like them but can't for the life of me understand why, unless you've got incredibly low standards or its all you know. Sorry.

 

[Lifejumper]

JJ on the current status of the movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=91&v=hba1cdUx0oY

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Wow, you really blew his post out of proportion here.

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Was I defending the prequels? I must have missed something.

 

[Randdalf]

So I just watched the pod race again from Episode I, or tried to at least, because it was the version that includes all the deleted scenes. The rabbit racer. The pod racer that has a cute family. The random machine that spat out repair drones. The endless montage of weird looking alien drivers with all sorts of CGI monstrosities making the shot dense in the background. Good lord.

 

[Secret Fawful]

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Was I defending the prequels? I must have missed something.

Apparently, saying they aren't the worst ever = saying they are the Citizen Kane of movies. Also, apparently you have low standards and it's all you know. lol

 

[Grover Cleveland]

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Was I defending the prequels? I must have missed something.

Some people take any tacit admission that the prequels aren't hellspawn as being an apologizer and Lucas fanboy.

 

[CreepingFear]

Apparently, saying they aren't the worst ever = saying they are the Citizen Kane of movies.

"Only a sith deals in absolutes".

 

[boiled goose]

My comments weren't particularly directed at anyone specific, but I've read more than my fair share of comments since the TFA trailer dropped where people are wishing death upon Lucas, and speaking as if every cringeworthy or poorly executed bit of Star Wars sprung from the mind of George Lucas alone.

I don't like the prequels. I think they are poorly made movies, but movies aren't made by just one person. It is an effort involving hundreds of people, and yes, George was the head of the ship.

The Clone Wars cartoon (the CGI one), is 100% considered Canon by Disney and Lucasfilm, as is the Rebels cartoon. Those are the only content from pre-TFA that is canon (as well as whatever new content they are bringing out now). So, yes, it's very relevant. That cartoon is excellent, and is officially part of the Star Wars universe.

I'm not saying "Leave George Alone! *teardrop*" I'm saying that acting like this man has raped your childhood, and is worse than Hitler because he made three mediocre Star Wars movies is an overblown reaction. He's a filmmaker. Not every filmmaker can capture lightning in a bottle, especially when that lightning altered filmmaking forever. The prequels were not good movies. I'm not about to lose any sleep over it, and I'm ready to see what Abrams and the two other directors bring to the franchise that I love. The Roman Polanski bit was a little tongue in cheek, but there really are people that hold Lucas in the same group of revulsion as a monster such as him, or they certainly act like they do, considering the rage in which they direct at Lucas over the prequels.

Some fans aren't so much angry at the films, as they are directing their hate towards the man who made them. I think that's extreme, and troubling. Hate the prequels all you want, I know I do, but I'm not going to wish ill on the guy that made Star Wars a thing in the first place. I treat the prequels like I do any bad movies I don't like: I don't dwell on them any longer than I have to.

No reason to get hostile because of my comments with your flippant response. I'm not defending Lucas, but I don't think he's solely to blame for the faults of the prequels. I mean, I wouldn't blame Lucas for the shitty ILM effects in the prequels. He's not a computer animator, for example.

Oh you meant the cgi show. Guess i thought you meant the actual animated cartoon. Meh. I consider the cgi show alright.

Now, your language "rape childhood" "worse than Hitler" etc seems not characteristic of what ive seen on this board at least. Sounds like a strawman and moving the goalposts..

basically i really dont understand the point of your first post.

Also, again you seem defensive. Do people criticize lucas for the effects in the ot? Not really...

He deserves criticism for the prevalence of baf effects on the prequels. He chose to overuse green screens and cgi. He is the writer and director!!

If I write and direct a sci-fi movie with tons of special effects that then turned out shitty because the budget was too low or the technology was not there or whatever is it not my fault?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

This shit is hype too

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

This shit is hype too

Yes, yes it is.

This is the kind of new footage I expect as we get closer to the movie's release. If we get anything else, of course.

 

[Astral Dog]

people really hate that jar jar binks huh.

 

[inm8num2]

So I just watched the pod race again from Episode I, or tried to at least, because it was the version that includes all the deleted scenes. The rabbit racer. The pod racer that has a cute family. The random machine that spat out repair drones. The endless montage of weird looking alien drivers with all sorts of CGI monstrosities making the shot dense in the background. Good lord.

You gotta give some love to that q-tip crowd, though.

 

[UnforgivenTwin]

people really hate that jar jar binks huh.

Yes.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

This shit is hype too

The sound makes it.

Ben Burtt is the best in the biz.

 

[DavidDesu]

Hey I just get passionate about this. The prequels were awful. Let's face it. I can't watch them anymore, and I was hyped as hell back when I was 15 when episode 1 came out. I tried my damned hardest to like them and see past their low points. Now in the harsh light of day when we can see what a good new Star Wars movie can look like when done right, it just irks me that people still seem to like these films. It's like people saying Sam Raimis Spider-Man 3 was good when it was hideous. I. JUST. DON'T. GET. IT.

 

[Gleethor]

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Was I defending the prequels? I must have missed something.

You said that they weren't the worst movies ever, so apparently that counts.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

You said that they weren't the worst movies ever, so apparently that counts.

same dudes who think Spider-Man 3 was like "WORST.MOVIE.EVER." and will hear no different

 

[Grover Cleveland]

Hey I just get passionate about this. The prequels were awful. Let's face it. I can't watch them anymore, and I was hyped as hell back when I was 15 when episode 1 came out. I tried my damned hardest to like them and see past their low points. Now in the harsh light of day when we can see what a good new Star Wars movie can look like when done right, it just irks me that people still seem to like these films. It's like people saying Sam Raimis Spider-Man 3 was good when it was hideous. I. JUST. DON'T. GET. IT.

He didn't say they were good tho...

There's a large gap between being a bad movie and being the worst ever.

Hell, there's a large gap between being an awful movie and being the worst ever.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Spider Man 3 was probably better than Howard the Duck

 

[Measley]

There's a large gap between the quality of the OT, and the quality of the Prequel films.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Spider Man 3 was probably better than Howard the Duck

Its more entertaining than either ASM movie tbh

 

[Imperial]

This shit is hype too

Another trailer teaser made it sound like there was more to the light saber battle between Kylo and Finn, but they must've changed their minds about showing it

https://youtu.be/HTuVfPGsLaE

 

[Grover Cleveland]

There's a large gap between the quality of the OT, and the quality of the Prequel films.

Sure, but we're not talking about the original trilogy at all.

We're talking about the fact that opinions on the prequels tend towards the hyperbolic.

They're bad movies. Just like the dozens of bad movies that come out every year.

Nothing more, nothing less.

They don't cause cancer, they aren't Harbingers of the Apocalypse, they aren't equivalent to sticking your eyes with pencils.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Its more entertaining than either ASM movie tbh

What I was going to say. It is.

 

[Lifejumper]

I hope kylo rens lightsaber sounds primal. Almost like its about to explode.

 

[GhaleonEB]

the thing i love is that at first he is

oh so confident. Like man, look at me f'er, i got a lightsaber

then it quickly goes from that confident look to

oh shit so do you!

I kind of hope they've done a bait and switch here, and the oh shit moment is from the start of the fight, and him being a badass is from later when he finds his footing and gains confidence.

 

[bodyofanamerican]

I hope the set up to this scene is good, because I just laugh my ass off at the "I have made a huge mistake" face.

I see genuine fear in his face. Doesn't strike me as humorous at all.

 

[Ric Flair]

Of course things can always go below prequels levels. It's not like the prequels are the worst movies there are.

That's honestly debatable in my opinion

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Bobby Roberts with dat perma ban rip

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

I hope kylo rens lightsaber sounds primal. Almost like its about to explode.

It'll sound like Uncle Buck's car

Its more entertaining than either ASM movie tbh

Howard the Duck
Spiderman 3
Buckaroo Bonzai

You gotta fuck one, marry one, kill one

Go

 

[UnforgivenTwin]

Bobby Roberts with dat perma ban rip

Why was he banned?

 

[Clov]

Is this going to be showing in 2D anywhere in Ontario? I can only find 3D screenings from Cineplex.

 

[DavidDesu]

That's honestly debatable in my opinion

Thank you. Considering the OT and how well made they were and how well they stack up even to this day... the prequels were lacking in so many fundamental places in comparison. They simply do not belong together at all. I am hoping and praying that once this new slew of movies is out the way and Disney are wanting to make yet more Star Wars movies that someone decides enough is enough and remakes the prequels and does them right this time. So much room for improvement.

 

[munchie64]

Bobby Roberts with dat perma ban rip

That's not true. That's impossible.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

That's not true. That's impossible.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true

 

[UnforgivenTwin]

Search your feelings, you know it to be true

NOOO! NO!

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Who was talking about the downgrade from OT to PT? Most of us are well aware of that. The downgrade is irrelevant. The point is that the kind of hyperbole used agaisnt the prequels is childish and dumb. It's also often done by people who take RLM as law and like to regurgitate what they said (though that's sometimes fun, depending on context).

 

[TheXbox]

Bobby Roberts with dat perma ban rip

don't be fucking with me